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Bhaji you're not wrong there, extra bani is always good. But the extra saloks are there for a reason, they're meant to remind the Dal what they are and what their job is, it is fine to read it however but we shouldn't say one is "the best" when it comes to Rehras Sahib from traditional schools with lineage back to Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. The addition of extra saloks is paramount to their own school and so on. The best way to look it (imo) is that the Taksali one is the bare minimum (just like in all amrit sanchars the 5 Bani are the bare minimum) but it is fine to read another one (providing it is sourced to Guru Ji's time) if it does have more (as more isn't the same as less in terms of the SGPC one).

I think the general consensus was that the shorter version is corrupted and invalid. Though I have noticed that they'll all do the taksali one but some might have extra saloks within it.

Where is it written that a Guru lies to his own sikhs? where is it written that a Guru would sit still while his sikhs were hunted down? You're the one asserting the Dehdhari Guru, not us. So the burden of proof is on you. Find proof that Guru Sahib changed his face,with historical sources from the time of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's passing. You wont find it in any historical because it doesn't exist. Please refute Poet Sainpati and testimony from the sikhs that actually conducted the last rites of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's physical sareer. All you have is old wives tales, I can sit here and make them up as well.

Source- Uggardanti bani by Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji It's important to note that Guru Sahib had infinite power, but getting minor powers was considered very possible (I'd even argue easy for true Gurmukhs) and is blessed to anyone regardless of faith as long as they do Bhagti.

these are the kind of threads that make the sangat seem almost like a functional family.

So I'm a fool for pointing out something that's mentioned in Gurbani? No child, you're the fool here. You're implying that Gurbani is what? wrong? misleading? full of falsehoods? which one? I stated story that's a part of Sikh heritage (yes because it occurs within Gurbani) and you got your panties in a twist. Gurbani also tells you that people who do Nindya of Satguru go to the lowest regions of hell. Wonder where that puts you if you're implying Gurbani is wrong. Would you like me to pull up the tukh that mentions Gayasura?

Maa Durga wont be happy you left her charan for Baba Jesus

BAR DO ALAM SHAH GURU GOBIND SINGH KHASAM RA JAN KAH GURU GOBIND SINGH ਕਬਿਤੁ ॥ Kabitu ॥ KABIT ਸੰਕਟ ਹਰਨ ਸਭ ਸਿਧਿ ਕੀ ਕਰਨ ਚੰਡ ਤਾਰਨ ਤਰਨ ਅਰੁ ਲੋਚਨ ਬਿਸਾਲ ਹੈ ॥ Saankatta Harn Sabha Sidhi Kee Karn Chaanda Taaran Tarn Aru Lochan Bisaala Hai ॥ The large-eyed Chandika is the remover of all sufferings, the donor of powers and support of the helpless in ferrying across the fearful ocean of the world ੨੪ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ - ੭/੧ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਆਦਿ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਆਹਮ ਹੈ ਅੰਤ ਕੋ ਨ ਪਾਰਾਵਾਰ ਸਰਨਿ ਉਬਾਰਨ ਕਰਨ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲ ਹੈ ॥ Aadi Jaa Kai Aahama Hai Aanta Ko Na Paaraavaara Sarni Aubaaran Karn Partipaala Hai ॥ It is difficult to know her beginning and end, she emancipates and sustains him, who takes refuge in her, ੨੪ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ - ੭/੨ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰਨ ਅਨਿਕ ਦੁਖ ਜਾਰਨ ਸੋ ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਛਡਾਏ ਜਮ ਜਾਲ ਹੈ ॥ Asur Saanghaaran Anika Dukh Jaaran So Patita Audhaaran Chhadaaee Jama Jaala Hai ॥ She destroys the demons, finishes various types of desires and saves from the noose of death ੨੪ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ - ੭/੩ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੇਵੀ ਬਰੁ ਲਾਇਕ ਸੁਬੁਧਿ ਹੂ ਕੀ ਦਾਇਕ ਸੁ ਦੇਹ ਬਰੁ ਪਾਇਕ ਬਨਾਵੈ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਹਾਲ ਹੈ ॥੭॥ Devee Baru Laaeika Subudhi Hoo Kee Daaeika Su Deha Baru Paaeika Banaavai Graanth Haala Hai ॥7॥ The same goddess is capable of bestowing the boon and good intellect by her Grace this Granth can be composed.7. ੨੪ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ - ੭/(੪) - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ

foolish woman. Gayasura is mentioned in Gurbani, is Gurbani wrong now?

1) Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji did believe in Raagmala, infact this is a well documented fact as its mentioned in an article realised days after his passing. Not to mention Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji also acknowledged Bhai Sahib firmly believed in Raagmala, the only morons that seem to throw his good name out there are the AKJ in an attempt to create more confusion in the panth. 2) Every single traditional school that has lineage back to Guru Gobind Singh Ji all believe in Raagmala, AKJ are nothing more than a cult that can't hold a single candle to them, what lineage to they have? if Bhai Sahib could see them now he'd shake his head. These include the likes of Taksal whom have produced some of the most learned scholars to ever grace this Earth. 3) What's wrong with a machine-gun? that's a shastar. Are you going to cry and complain about pictures of Guru Sahib wearing and carrying weapons now too? guns are constantly mentioned Dasam Bani as well. Are you going to close your eyes every-time it comes up or simply edit it out? 4) the fact that you're throwing out names without any meaning shows your own knowledge on the topic is skin-deep. 5) What do you have against me?

Basically the story was the demon (called Gayasura) did immense tapisya to the point that all of the Trinity came to grant him a boon. He said he wanted the power to liberate anyone he looked at, So they granted it. Didn't take long for them to realise things were getting bad on Earth, since people could do all sorts of immoral things and just go get darshan of the demon to wipe their slates clean. So Vishnu intervened and asked the demon to go into the earth, the demon agreed. Vishnu then placed a foot on the demon's head and submerged him into the Earth. There's a hindu mandir at the spot. I'm guessing liberation was sending people to some heaven. Though you have to admit that's a pretty neat superpower.

no joke there was a demon that had a power like that. Things got really ugly fast.

What proof do they have? other than the sau sakhi which were corrupted by everyone from the British to the sikh nationalists. With one breath they claim to love Gurbani and in the same one they tell people that Guru Gobind Singh Ji lied to his sikhs and left them. Their proof is sightings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji after his departure, they don't want to accept that Guru Sahib is everywhere and always ready to help those who deserve it. The very texts they use also says that Guru Nanak Dev Ji would only take 9 more forms after his first. 9, not 14, but 9, the final form being in the roop of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Their evidence is nonexistence and based on fairy tales they devised. Poet Sainapati wrote about the passing and the the transfer of Gurgaddi. He was actually there unlike us, If you want more references then please refer back to Rehitnamas of Bhai Chaupa Singh Ji and various other Gursikhs of Guru Sahib's time. I'd also like to add there's proof that Guru Ghaddi was given to Guru Granth Sahib Ji in Sarbloh Granth as it's referred to Guru there too. You can trace this back right to Guru Sahib's final years on Earth, all the sources say the same thing, Guru Manyeo Granth. Their cult then simply went around adding stuff into anything written after the demise of Baba Ram Singh in an effort to distort everything. The Nihangs were the most isolated Sikh community after the departure of Guru Gobind Singh Ji yet they all maintained that Guru Granth Sahib Ji was given Guruship. There's all the proof you need, but most of them are so brainwashed they'll ignore it. Even their own timelines don't match up to everything they propagate.

Story from the Devi Purana- Lesson learned is that we should never be proud of our strength and power. Strangely enough however, Devas who are expected to be the repositories of equanimity often tend to be the victims of this conflict. Worse would be in the case of Trinity sometimes! The conflict of Realism versus self-centeredness came to fore when Vishnu and Mahadeva began to claim supremacy over each other. Their inner awareness was overshadowed as they fought and tended to divide loyalties among Devas and the susceptible humans. The clash continued and they used to brag before their respective spouses who were quiet as they knew the Reality. As the collision took a serious turn, both Maha Lakshmi and Girija Devi left their respective abodes. Both Vishnu and Siva lost their controls and Shaktis. As both realised their follies and prayed to Maha Bhagavati, She appeared along with spouses and warned them that indeed they were like the grain and shell and in both the cases they were the shells and the Devi incarnations were the respective grains.

All of Dasam Bani gives Shakti, Power. The entire of Dasam Pita's bani is euology to Akaal Purkh in the form of Kaal Purkh and Bhagauti, basically God in the form of pure power. This power we can use for whatever we wish, doing more Paath/Bhagati, to sustain us through the day and also to encourage us to do good things. Singhs used to use to inspire the will to fight for righteousness back in ye olden days. In simple terms it instils Power in the reader.

Have you any idea where this notion comes from? My parents always told me the same thing, though they always added that it was so I should imagine Guru Sahib sitting at the head of the bed and im reciting Bani by his Charan.

I don't like you too OP https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7aTvhUAeRLAVx8vm/giphy.gif

Yeah, I take Gyani Ji's work with a pinch of salt in all honesty. ਸਹਸਬਾਹੁ ਮਧੁ ਕੀਟ ਮਹਿਖਾਸਾ ॥ सहसबाहु मधु कीट महिखासा ॥ Sahasbāhu maḏẖ kīt mahikẖāsā. The Lord killed the thousand-armed Arjun, and the demons Madhu-keetab and Meh-khaasaa. ਹਰਣਾਖਸੁ ਲੇ ਨਖਹੁ ਬਿਧਾਸਾ ॥ हरणाखसु ले नखहु बिधासा ॥ Harṇākẖas le nakẖahu biḏẖāsā. He seized Harnaakhash and tore him apart with his nails. ਦੈਤ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ ਬਿਨੁ ਭਗਤਿ ਅਭਿਆਸਾ ॥੬॥ दैत संघारे बिनु भगति अभिआसा ॥६॥ Ḏaiṯ sangẖāre bin bẖagaṯ abẖi▫āsā. ||6|| The demons were slain; they did not practice devotional worship. ||6|| ਜਰਾਸੰਧਿ ਕਾਲਜਮੁਨ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ ॥ जरासंधि कालजमुन संघारे ॥ Jarāsanḏẖ kālajmun sangẖāre. The demons Jaraa-sandh and Kaal-jamun were destroyed. ਰਕਤਬੀਜੁ ਕਾਲੁਨੇਮੁ ਬਿਦਾਰੇ ॥ रकतबीजु कालुनेमु बिदारे ॥ Rakaṯbīj kālunem biḏāre. Rakat-beej and Kaal-naym were annihilated. ਦੈਤ ਸੰਘਾਰਿ ਸੰਤ ਨਿਸਤਾਰੇ ॥੭॥ दैत संघारि संत निसतारे ॥७॥ Ḏaiṯ sangẖār sanṯ nisṯāre. ||7|| Slaying the demons, the Lord saved His Saints. ||7|| Sounds alot like the second chand of Uggardanti. Bhagauti is the a title of Durga/Ad-Shakti in Shaktism so yeah it is more of a title since it also means "deepest power" or "Primal Power" God if you ever said that to certain people well imagine this to be their reaction. I mean I bet if they ever heard Sarbloh Granth portion where Guru Sahib says the Khalsa's father is Kaal Purkh and Kalika is the mother on whom's lap the Khalsa grows. no but it is important to note that Bhaugati is the mother of the Khalsa, while Bhagauti and Akaal are the same and one they're different aspects of the same God. Akaal is beyond everything and the base of all of existence, he nourishes and resides everywhere. While Bhagauti is just Akaal but in a more active role. I think we misunderstood each other. Firstly in the story of Krishna and Arjun, the whole concept was that the person receiving the message was Arjun (he's meant to be us in this sense), while Krishna and Vishnu are the ones who orchestrate this whole Charitar (lets call it this). In the case of Mata Baala, Mata Ji = us, soul etc and Bhavani and Akaal = Krishna and Vishnu. So basically they would be separate in this instance.

you've never met many christians have you?

not saying whether he did it or not (I don't know) but the audio is pretty is sketchy, could be anyone. Heck an uncle in my Gurudwara sounds like this, I doubt its him.

like just about everyone said we're hypothesising what we think happened, we're doing our own flawed interpretations and are not saying its fact. A brahmgyani did say that Mata Baala was MAta Sahib Kaur JI, but we're trying to piece together the story of her being Durga too. If you have any information on the topic it would be most welcome bro.

That's actually a really good way of looking at it, I had totally forgotten about Agni dev being witness and what not. Metaphorical. I believe it was Gyani Gyan Singh's work. He said Baba Deep Singh Ji did a Havan before battle but it was later explained it was a metaphorical havan where the fire he lit was the fire of Brahmgyan. Literal and Metaphorical imo. Miri Piri would fall into this line I guess, Mata Ji does Tapisya first and then goes to war but imo both are equally important and have a symbiotic relationship with each other, this will just turn into a what came first proverbial gameplay. Really the bani is eerily similar to alot of verses in Sri Guru Granth Sahib JI. I'd disagree here, Bhagauti is never used for Chandi/Durga/Kalika etc, Bhagauti is a seperate entity as its the Puran Shatki of Akaal. imo there's 2 possible theories for this. Firstly the Bhavani that appeared before Mata Ji wasn't Durga the wife of Shiva but Bhavani the puran Shakti of Akaal, as in the Shakti of Akaal manifested fully. The second theory is that Bhavani later became a title she was given due to the fact she fought like Durga against the demons, Sort of like how people will say certain people are so and so Devta as a way of conveying how strong they are. Heck Indra Gandhi was called Durga (laughable as she got riddled with bullets later on but its an example) and Baba Deep Singh Ji was described as being like Shiva doing the Tandava dance while destroying the enemy in defence of Harmandir Sahib. This story isn't in the Gita I think, the story happened during or before the Mahabharata, its actually mentioned in Chaubis avatar too. Basically a Brahmin's children kept dying so Arjuna promised to stop Yamraj taking them by standing guard doing his wife's child birth but the child disappears, so Krishna takes him to Vaikuntha to get them back from his Vishnu Saroop and then basically teach him he shouldnt be so egoistical and assume he has a say in these things. There's alot in every charitar, it's actually gobsmacking to say the least.

will respond to your post later on today bro, I have a meeting with my Pandit uncles. We need to discuss how best to corrupt the sikh youth.