Lion(LK)King

Lion(LK)King Please, if you have nothing good to say, please leave the conversation, we as sikhs are supposed to encourage others to join and help interested people - not turn them away. The following statement, it sounds like a criticizing devon. WTH guy's... can't you do better than this???? nj_singh Devon isn't his location :lol: 152867[/snapback] Vaheguru JI Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh I was in no way turning him away, and apologize if that is how it sounded I simply think it is important for non-sikhs to reall realise that the path of Sikhi is not easy, and merely converting will not get you anywhere, like other religions say. Unless you work on spiritual jeevan, we ain't getting anywhere, whether we're Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus or Christians, it doens't matter. Whereas other religions promise mukti as soon as you convert and believe in their prophet, Sikhi does not, and this is something that people should know, so tha they don't convert with the crave for Mukti, since Guru Sahib says, Raaj na chao Mukt na Chao Man preet charan kamalarey. p.s Found it fun how an average white man knew so many words of Punjab, already before converting :TH: Bhull chukk maaf If i had said anything wrong, against Gurmat Vaheguru JI Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

The first article reminds me of Jews in Hitlers time, being burnt or soemthing similar :lol:

isrIrwgu ] qohI mohI mohI qohI AMqru kYsw ] knk kitk jl qrMg jYsw ]1] jau pY hm n pwp krMqw Ahy Anµqw ] piqq pwvn nwmu kYsy huMqw ]1] rhwau ] qum@ ju nwiek AwChu AMqrjwmI ] pRB qy jnu jwnIjY jn qy suAwmI ]2] srIru AwrwDY mo kau bIcwru dyhU ] rivdws sm dl smJwvY koaU ]3] sireeraag || thohee mohee mohee thohee a(n)thar kaisaa || kanak kattik jal thara(n)g jaisaa ||1|| jo pai ham n paap kara(n)thaa ahae ana(n)thaa || pathith paavan naam kaisae hu(n)thaa ||1|| rehaao || thumh j naaeik aashhahu a(n)tharajaamee || prabh thae jan jaaneejai jan thae suaamee ||2|| sareer aaraadhhai mo ko beechaar dhaehoo || ravidhaas sam dhal samajhaavai kooo ||3|| Sree Raag: You are me, and I am You-what is the difference between us? We are like gold and the bracelet, or water and the waves. ||1|| If I did not commit any sins, O Infinite Lord, how would You have acquired the name, 'Redeemer of sinners'? ||1||Pause|| You are my Master, the Inner-knower, Searcher of hearts. The servant is known by his God, and the Lord and Master is known by His servant. ||2|| Grant me the wisdom to worship and adore You with my body. O Ravi Daas, one who understands that the Lord is equally in all, is very rare. ||3|| http://www.sikhitothemax.com/Page.asp?Sour...ID=269&Format=2

Wicked post MKLK. Couldn't put it better myself :lol: we need to boycott these photos of men in robes and beard drawn my artists to represent the physical of our Guru, which doens't matter anyway since Guru Ji never was the physical, but the Shabad :cool:

I have already posted by opinion. As a matter of fact, I have no opinion. Gurbani hi Gurbani :lol: Paro, Labh lo, ya ignore karo - tuhadi marji :cool: I have done my best by quoting Gurbani. If Gurbani doesn't seem sweet to you and hurts you or our opinion then that is your problem. Deal with it. http://www.sikhitothemax.com/Page.asp?Sour...D=5156&Format=2 Bhagat Kabeer ji tells us to eat simple. Nowhere does he sa: "hey! You can't eat heavy food as aspiritual person!!.. Hallo!!! Listen - you can't be spiritual and eat a lot of heavy food" In the same way, if Guru Shaib tells us to live a Grist jeevan, there is no need for him to condemn a celibate, since he's already gone against a life of celibacy, when telling us to get maried. There's not point in quoting Gurbani anymore, sinse you have already made up your mind, and no matter how much Gurbani tells us to live a grst jeevan, we will have to make a choice, are we goign to make an excuse on "Gurbani doesn't say its wrong not to get married" or are we actually going to practise it? Are we going to eat light, and simple food or are we going to say "Just because Gurbani tells us to eat light food doesn't mean we can't eat heavy food if we want to" It's just bahane-baji. Gurbani is clearly telling us to live a life of a Grist jeevan, there is absolutely no need to clearly emphasize that it is wrong to stay unmarried, since they've already showed that in their own jeevan, and the jeevan of their close associates (Baba Buddha Ji, Baba Deep Singh Ji etc). There is not a singl evidence anywhere in Gurbani acknowledging celibac, or not living grist Jeevan. This will be my last post in this thread, since no-one has been able to post anything from Gurbani. When someone bothers to refer to Gurabni, and ask Guru Ji the answer to questions, I will come back, but until we as Sikhs don't start asking our Guru about our issues, there is no point, and it's bound to end up as a fruitless debate, without any faida or labh, if we do not consult our Guru. Please consult your Guru. If you can consult with Guru JI, and you can uote Gurbani, then there is a healthy discussion, but if you will not even care about Gurbani says (which you claim you do, but have practicle ignore Gurbani, and havn't been able to back up a single sentance with Gurbani) gur ibnu Goru AMDwru gurU ibnu smJ n AwvY ] gur bin ghor a(n)dhhaar guroo bin samajh n aavai || Without the Guru, there is utter darkness; without the Guru, understanding does not come gur ibnu suriq n isiD gurU ibnu mukiq n pwvY ] gur bin surath n sidhh guroo bin mukath n paavai || Without the Guru, there is no intuitive awareness or success; without the Guru, there is no liberation. guru kru scu bIcwru gurU kru ry mn myry ] gur kar sach beechaar guroo kar rae man maerae || So make Him your Guru, and contemplate the Truth; make Him your Guru, O my mind. guru kru sbd spuMn AGn ktih sB qyry ] gur kar sabadh sapu(n)n aghan kattehi sabh thaerae || Make Him your Guru, who is embellished and exalted in the Word of the Shabad; all your sins shall be washed away. guru nXix bXix guru guru krhu gurU siq kiv nl´ kih ] gur nayan bayan gur gur karahu guroo sath kav naly kehi || So speaks NALL the poet: with your eyes, make Him your Guru; with the words you speak, make Him your Guru, your True Guru. ijin gurU n dyiKAau nhu kIAau qy AkXQ sMswr mih ]4]8] jin guroo n dhaekhiao nahu keeao thae akayathh sa(n)saar mehi ||4||8|| Those who have not seen the Guru, who have not made Him their Guru, are useless in this world. ||4||8|| http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=5414 Unless you consult and quote Guru Ji, where he acknowledges celibacy, there is no point in discussing this anymroe :cool: Bhull chukk maaf

You seem to know more Punjabi than average "white man" as you put it

Insha, jeyo there is no reason why this should be class as a dowry, since it says may, in other word it is not a must. Some Punjabis (since they are like they are) don't like to go "khali hath", so instead of giving, cooking pans, furniture, beds, hondas, marutis, and what not... One can simply give a Kirpan, Kara and some sweets. That's pretty simple, compared to typical Punjabi dowry stuff. Please read the entire Rehit Maryada, and you will see how superstitions and other anti-gurmat elements are banned in it :lol: bhull chukk maaf

1 - Considering Bhai Gurdas Ji says that a Sikh is designed for Gristi Jeevan, I very much doubt he was not married. 2- SSM veer jeyo/bhen jeyo you asked me to rpovide Gurbani, even after reading my post? contradictory. 3 - SSM veer jeyo/bhenji, you quote me out of context. Just like Gurbani says do Naam Japna... nowhere does it tell you: "You may not not do naam Japna" (please not the double negatives :lol: ) If Gurbani mentions, that a Sikh is desgined for grist Jeevan, than that is simply fair enough for me. It is, IMHO silly to ask Guru ji to write: "THERE IS NO WAY YOU CANNOT STAY CELIBATE!!!!" Guru ji, has told us to live a Grist jeevan. For me that is enough. If someone wants to stay celibate, it is their choice, but it cannot be argued that is has ANYTHING to do with Gurmat, nor can it be argued that it's a concept acknowledged in Gurmat, since there is not a SINGLE PANGTI, in Gurbani even acknowleding celibacy, however there areloads to support grist jeevan. Two of them have been provided above. It is now your choice whether you decide to follow Gurbani, or not. I will base my argument on Gurbani. If you can do that too, i.e. proving a point using Gurbani (i.e. Guru's mat) that would be really nice... Not tha I'm expecting any quotes from Gurbani from anyone pro-celibacy, sicne no-one has ever been able to do so, so far. Let Guru ji decide and make decisions. Guru Ji acknowledges Grist Jeevan, and tells us that a Sikh is designed for Grist jeevan. Please, show us where Gurbani acknowledges otherwise :cool: bhull chukk maaaf.

Yeah was checking Sikhtoons as well. that is SOOO AMAZINg, I so dig tha bibi for doign what she did!!! We need to see more such cases :lol:

Before you go for it. Think again and again, because it's a hard path. I do not want to discourage you, but I tihnk that when you have studied Gurbani, and Gurmat, and are 100% sure you want to go for it, then you shuld go for it :lol:

Well considering only one can have the most water,

Someone want to write up a professional letter?

Please read the thread, and not skim in future. Please re-read my previous post. I have not only provided link to Shahab, but even quoted it for you :lol: Although it doesn't say that "unmarried people aren't accepted", but the quotes by Bhai Gurdas Ji are clear that a Sikhs jeevan is designed to fit in the grist jeevan concept :cool: GrbwrI gur isK hoie isKw sUqR ml mUqR ivfwxY] gharabaaree gur sikh hoe sikhaa soothr mal moothr viddaanai|| The Sikh being householder abnegates tonsure, the sacred thread (Janeu), etc. and forsakes them like abominable faeces. Bhai Gurdas Ji describes the Sikh as "GharBari", i.e householder. http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=5680 Guru Sahib didn't just say that marriage didn't hinder spirituality but also made the Sikh a "gharbaree", or householder.. crx srx ilvlIx hoie sYNswrI inrMkwrI Bwey] charan saran livaleen hoe sai(n)asaaree nira(n)kaaree bhaaeae|| Even a worldly person here, concentrating upon the feet of Guru, becomes dear to God, the formless One. http://www.sikhitothemax.com/Page.asp?Sour...=&ShabadID=5905 Those who have already made up their opinion, will not care less what Bhai Sahib Bhai Gurdas Ji Says, and will begin jsutfying other people's actions. Bhai Gurdas Ji's words are clear. Gurbani is clear. If one still has issues, it'äs because they have made up their mind and won't change it no matter what. It is evident SSM jeeyo, that you have not come to read, but only to post you're opinion. Just after my post with the abvoe quotes, you posted your view.. Two posts later you ask me where I have quoted - seems like you didn't read my post to begin with Are you only here to share your determined opinion, or to learn what Gurbani saying Whereas we can see from our ithehas, that a Sikh should NOT leave his family to do seva, as seen with Gurmukh Pyaarey liek Baba Buddha Jee, Baba Deep Singh Ji, (I think! =>) Gyani Kartar Singh ji Bhindrawale etc. It's evident that all Gurmuhsk in history have been married. Let'd devout time on reading Gurbani, and seeing waht Gurbani has to say on the issue, instead of holding on to our opinion. People have obviously been skipping over the Gurbani quotes, and later on questioned: "WHERE HAVE YOU PROVIDED QUOTES????, SHOW MEE!!!" If you had followed the thread to begin with, and read what others have to say instead of only throwing out your own opinion you would see. Bhull chukk maaf GrbwrI hoie inj Gr jwey ]ù] gharabaaree hoe nij ghar jaaeae ||a|| Becoming householder, man resides in his innate nature (atman).

Please refer to my previous post where I gave a link to a previous thread, where the descendants of Baba Deep Singh Ji have been discussed. The view of Gurmat is clear. Gurbani is clear, If Someone still decides to disagree, it is their opinion, and not in accord to Gurmat :lol: Recently a lot of people have started saying that Baba Buddha Ji and Baba Deep Singh Ji were celibate. History tells us both were married. Solid evidence has been provided in the previous celibacy thread http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=16643&hl= No reason to keep this thread going, since theres a similar one above. Gurbani is clear on the issue. If someone decides to disagree with Gurbani, Guru Ji's jeevan - it's their decision.

Bhaji, are the people in the middle east, in their thousands burning flags, and putting plates like "Danish: You are not welcome here" and kidnapping innocent Europeans, done by a minority? It is extremely sad that, although most European Muslims try to say that the people doig ti are minority, we can read about it in the news daily, and see pictures of thousands yelling and burning flasg in these countries :lol:

Well, support gore - make muslims angry, support muslims - make gore angry.. What's the solution? Stay armed and neutral :lol:

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This is a pretty long post, but worth reading :lol: http://www.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/discussion....33;OpenDocument

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komagata_Maru http://www.punjabonline.com/immigration/koma.html make a search on google for Komagata Maru for more info :lol:

Nice blog. Appreciated the shabad you posted (in your first few posts) Keep it up :TH:

Stay neutral. No need to get into this kind of politics. Let the Groey politicians and mulims handle it (considering gorey ain't gonna let it happen). Sikhs should continue with their Candle Vigils, Tsunami and Katarina seva projects :lol:

I'm the only one who think's Chadhas Bend it like Beckhams wasn't a great images of Sikhs? Not sure, since it shows how SIkhs have become stupid and started praing infrotn of photos painted by an artist 300 years after the Gurus themselves :lol: . Shows how stupid we are. What it also shows is that SIkhs are idolizers for those who don't know a lot about Sikhi (which is the vast amount of people watching the movie, since it was pretty internetional)

Ironic how the three PP killers of Bhai Jaswant Singh Khalra (Human Rights activist, who dod loads of Seva, and inspireds loads of sevadars to do Seva, such as Ram Narayan Kumar, Bibi Cynthia etc) all have Sikh first AND last names.

So what you're saying is - he couldn't make a single statement about the dastar issue in France, after the G8 meeting, when the whole world's media attention was on the G8 meeting? Not a single statement to Chirac sitting beside him: Bhrava we do loads of business with france, could you "slightly" sort out the turban issue :lol: ? No doubt, In Sikhi the sin would not be eating the apple of knowledge, but the sin would be eating it and not using it in the wrong way. Biggups for having immense knowlege, Hopefully he will start using it for the benifit of humanity, and not nuclear and atmoic weaponary :cool: