dallysingh101

I hear that. I grew up with all those movies/TV programs. This one is probably less offensive than a lot of them. Look at how Sikhs are portrayed here. Docile butlers.

I don't know how I missed this one? Look at his face, he LOVES it! lol Great dress sense too.........

Bro I don't doubt that a lot of colonial era writings can help shed light on historical things they recorded, but overall this (to me) just seems like plain old fashioned colonial propaganda with tired narrative of white bravery against all odds against 'noble savages'.

Remember Kahn Singh wrote at a time when there was lots of shanka on Dasam bani, that should be factored in too.

Bhai ji, I have serious problems watching videos like this. I just can't concentrate on them, and the delivery sends me to sleep. I worked as a teacher for a bit, and I have to say, if anyone taught a class like the majority of katha I see, they'd be sacked. lol I don't discount the possibility of missing details of Guru ji's life, look at how nobody had a clue about palit puttar Zorowar Singh on this forum for instance. But I doubt the Ayodha sakhi is true. Until I see contemporary or near contemporary sources, I'd be skeptical. But I wouldn't 100% discount it, more like 99%.

Afghan soldiers trained by UK and US forces 'have defected and are now fighting for the Taliban' British army officers have analysed images of Taliban fighters using weapons The sources believe some of the fighters are using techniques they learned from UK and US forces It comes after the Taliban claimed victory in the Panjshir valley, the last province holding out against it https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9967933/Afghan-soldiers-trained-UK-forces-defected-fighting-Taliban-sources.html

No bhai ji, your English is very good. Better than a lot of Canadian raised apnay. Try avoiding that modern use of text speech though; like R for 'are' or U for 'you'. It makes some people not take the content seriously, and makes them think that you don't know standard English.

Come on bro. A bunch of wasps with guns fighting against people with spears and shields ........ This is old school colonial propaganda at its best.

As long as they don't do anything like this..........

What's their source?

I hear what you're saying, about musicians using old samples when they do it in a generic way. But having grown up around the music and tech that developed the new forms from the 80s, I have to say certain creative aspects of sampling are good. Yes, you can recycle culture in this way, and that's not bad all the time. The way Hip Hop musicians brought back impressive beats from the James Brown era, or sample long forgotten classics was good (for example). This brought a culture from one generation to the next, and led to many people actually exploring the original sources of the samples. I find nothing more montone, generic and boring than the way our own people have been using certain formulaic dhol, tumbi beats with very little change for decades. PMCs experiments with fusion with hip hop beats (which themselves were using samples of classic funk tunes) was an interesting and creative phase, but even that turned generic and formulaic in the end. I can still put on some old Electro tunes that are 30/35 years old (when I train) and feel the energy in them. You can't say that about much.

Thanks for the heads up! Just had a brief scan through Gobind Gita and unless I'm mistaken chunks of it seems to be about the very subject of casteism? We need to translate and share relevant sections.

Honesty and reflection is required. It doesn't help that we have a whole industry in 'Punjabi' music and songs that constantly perpetuate caste identity. Even academic work isn't immune with certain casteists working themselves in at prominent positions in universities and publishing work that reflects casteist ideology. Truth is that certain people have built up an identity along caste lines very deviously, and the results are here for all to see now. I'd say it's infinitely worse now in certain quarters than it was 25 years ago. That's because certain people have been lying and pretending whilst pushing this agenda on the sly. Gurbani and Guru ithihaas tells us all that we need to know about the Sikhi position towards casteism. Truth is that certain people (and you know whose the worse at this!) love their caste identity much more than their Sikh one. Which tells us all we need to know about how deep their conviction is towards their dharam (i.e. superficial at best). This isn't true. Many if not most villages in Panjab have caste based Gurdwaras, to the extreme where certain people are openly excluded from attending; or overtly made to feel bad if they do. In the UK, whatever else one might say, no one is going to exclude someone from another jaat from attending a Gurdwara. Committee membership might be another issue, but even that is usually a reaction to certain jaats trying to hog all resources for themselves and their community/cronies (like they've done with SGPC), forcing communities with smaller numbers to create institutes that keep the resources within themselves. Gurdwaras have traditionally been the method that the quom uplifts itself, if one community hogs all resources because of some casteist sense of entitlement, it only makes sense for others to prevent this. We can see with the SGPC/Akali Dal 'votes for whiskey', just how low certain people can go to stay in power.

@shastarSingh What do you make of this? I find it hard to fully understand? It's from Gobind Gita:

^^^^ Don't know if the above is indicative of the whole work though. Tried to find the above in scanned internet versions but had no luck.

Here's an interesting extract from Gobind Gita regarding caste: The passage below is from the 14th chapter of the Gobind Gita, written by Guru Gobind Singh. One can find this composition in the Patna Sahib bir of Dasam Granth. ਖਾਲਸੇ ਮਾਹਿ ਕੀਓ ਉਪਦੇਸ ॥ ਜੋ ਅਰਜਨ ਕੋ ਕਹਿਓ ਨਰੇਸ ॥ ਏਕ ਅਕਾਲ ਸਭੀ ਕਛੁ ਜਾਨੋ ॥ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਆਪ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਏਕ ਮਾਨੋ ॥ 62॥ I deliver this teaching to the Khalsa, which was delivered to Arjuna by the Raja [Krishna]. Recognize the One Akal in all, understand the entire creation as that One Gobind . ਬਰਨ ਆਸ੍ਰਮ ਤੁਮ ਸਕਲ ਤਿਆਗੋ ॥ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨ ਮੈਂ ਨਿਸਦਿਨ ਲਾਗੋ ॥ ਜਾਨੋ ਸਭ ਕਛੁ ਏਕ ਅਕਾਲ ॥ ਜੋ ਦੇਖੈ ਏਕ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਲਾਲ ॥63॥ Forsake all caste and ashram's [designated Hindu stages of life], forever be absorbed in the wisdom of Brahm. Recognize the One Akal in all, wherever you look there is that One Beloved Gobind. https://www.manglacharan.com/post/forsake-all-caste-gobind-gita

And she was well fit! lol Having said that, you're now 'officially' old. "Aaahhh the kids these days!!! Aaaaaah, they don't know what music is!!! Back in my day we'd do the jitterbug to real music!!! Aaahhhh, it's hurts my ears."

You lost me there, you must know her catalog a lot better than me! lol!!! I did read something on her very recently when she talked about the long term joint injuries she's sustained from years of running/marathons. It's a warning to all. Training 'bugga bugga' when young for years can catch up to your joints/ligaments.

You're showing your age dude......lol

Life can throw some serious stuff at us, and sometimes (from my personal experience), we get taken away from the discipline. You just seem to be having an experience many of us do: the further we get away from our dharam, the more lost we feel. I'd say, whatever you give up, don't give up simran. What you've experienced can be viewed as an experiment of sort. Look at how you're feeling when you remove something from your life - worse or better? What's that telling you? And don't be 'religious' have dharam.

^^^^^ Anyone seeing a pattern?

Girl, 12, went to police station to report sexual assault - but officers sent her away with OTHER abusers who went on to rape her 15 times The incident happened in October 2007 when the victim, now 27, was subjected to more than 20 assaults by eight men in one night, including 15 rapes Just one attacker, Shakil Chowdhury, now 54, was caught and jailed for six years Greater Manchester Police failed to produce 'forensic strategy', returned evidence to Chowdhury and destroyed 24 items of evidence, investigation found Victim was also subjected to grooming by teacher Paul Waites, now 48, despite telling social workers who claimed she was 'very attention seeking' Victim case to be examined in probe into child sexual exploitation in Oldham A woman has detailed her experience after she put her trust into the hands of police after a sex attack, but was handed to predators who inflicted more abuse at the age of just 12. The young girl was sent away by a desk clerk who told her to accept a lift home with two men who were at the police station over motoring issues. It was just the beginning for the young girl, who suffered more than 20 assaults by eight men in one night, including 15 rapes. Now 27, the woman continues to fight for answers, writes the Sunday Mirror. Just one attacker was caught but 15 years on, and the victim has not received justice, after the Independent Office for Police Conduct found a string of failings, yet failed to launch disciplinary action against any officers. The case is now part of an independent probe into child sexual exploitation - but only after the victim insisted that it be included. Talking to the Sunday Mirror, the victim said: 'It's derailed my life. It's always there, even when I try to move on. 'No child should have to go through what I did. I'm speaking out to protect others. The trauma never goes away. I've still got PTSD. I don't want this to happen to anyone else.' The incident happened on October 27, 2006, when she attended Oldham Police Station in Manchester to report being molested. A man had sexually assaulted her while she drank cider in a churchyard. But, she said the clerk dismissed her as a timewaster, and urged her to leave with two men who offered her a lift. 'The clerk said, 'They've offered you a lift, go with them'. The men were being asked to produce licences for driving offences. 'I don't know how they haven't been identified. There must have been logs.' She says the men then took her to a car and sexually assaulted her. She was then driven to the home of a man in his 40s who she says also sexually assaulted her before giving her money to get a bus home. She was picked up on the next street by Shakil Chowdhury, now 54, who was posing as a taxi driver and promised to help her. But he and another man in the passenger seat drove to Chowdhury's house, where three more men appeared. She says she was raped 15 times by the five men, before being bundled into a car and abandoned the next month. The girl's parents were at home when she returned, having called police the previous evening. But, officers took four hours to respond. She was then examined, and her injuries were deemed consistent with being raped, and underwent days of video interviews with police. She also told police about the attack in the churchyard, but it was not treated as a crime. A senior detective later said this was 'entirely proportionate.' Shakil Chowdhury (pictured) was jailed for six years after admitting to six rapes A report into the decision to return evidence to the perpetrator also revealed that 24 items of evidence had been destroyed in 2008. 'The decision to release certain items of property seems to exclude the possibility that the items may be of forensic relevance to the other unidentified suspects,' the report read. 'The bedding and towel had not been submitted for forensic examination, however, they were returned. 'Clearly, items had been disposed of, and had they been retained from the original inquiry, then it may or may not have led to us identifying people or eliminating them.' When Operation Solent failed to lead to fresh charges, the victim asked GMP to review the original case. She says she was 'failed by the system' - and not for the first time. Prior to the incident in October 2007, she was groomed and abused by a teacher who befriended her online. Paul Waites, now 48, lured her to a Sainsbury's car park after the pair spoke online, and then raped and assaulted her over the course of the summer of 2006. Paul Waites (pictured) was jailed for a further 11 years after the victim reported him to police, to find he had been jailed in 2009 for assaults on other children. Last year, he received a life sentence for raping another victim in Leeds in 2005. It was only in 2013 that she felt able to report Waites to police, only to find he had been jailed in 2009 for assaults on other children. He admitted raping and abusing the victim in 2015, and was jailed for a further 11 years. Last year, he received a life sentence for raping another victim in Leeds in 2005. The woman now searching for answers has since made an official request to access her files, including a report written by a sexual health worker when she was 12, after she claimed a social work she she was 'trying to shock her' when she disclosed the online grooming and abuse to her. It read: 'She is now on her third sexual partner. She has made an informed choice to remain SA [sexually active]. She has a mature attitude and looks older than her age.' Despite her age, notes added there was 'no indication of abuse', and an outreach worker added: 'I feel [victim] is very attention seeking and tries to get a response from me.' In 2018, Greater Manchester Police upheld two of the girl's complaints, ruling that her case should not have been closed after Chowdhury's conviction, and that officers should not have taken four hours to respond when she was reported missing in October 2007. When Greater Manchester Police failed to sanction any officers, she contacted police watchdog, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC), which ruled a further four complaints should have been upheld including a complaint referring to how the victim was treated at Oldham Police station in October 2007. But the IOPC ruled it could take no further action as the clerk could not be identified. The IOPC also said that aspects of evidence retrieval were flawed and that potentially relevant evidence was destroyed, and that greater care should have been taken with notebooks, which have subsequently been lost. One officer was advised to receive further training. The victim could now have grounds to sue the police under the Data Protection Act. Her case will now be examined in the independent probe into child sexual exploitation in Oldham, which will examine claims that agencies were aware of ongoing abuse but 'failed to respond appropriately to safeguard children and subsequently covered up these failings'. Between 2006 and 2020, Oldham social services had referrals warning 700 children faced a potential risk of sex abuse. The victim said: 'No one tried to stop me from meeting him. I thought he was my boyfriend. It made me feel like it was normal. Gerard Jones, managing director for children and young people at Oldham council, said: 'There were times when vulnerable people did not receive help they should expect and deserve. 'Things have improved significantly in recent years. We were, and are, determined not to shy away from issues, but to gain fresh, honest and independent insight, and learn lessons.' Greater Manchester Police said £2.3m has been invested in a new child sexual exploitation investigations unit. 'Victims of child sexual abuse and exploitation will be listened to, taken seriously, treated with empathy and supported,' a spokesperson said. 'Whilst we cannot comment on the specifics of this case and what was clearly a terrible ordeal for the victim, extensive investigations and reviews were carried out. No case for misconduct was found and all further lines of inquiry investigated. No further suspects were identified.' An IOPC spokesman added: 'While we agreed with the force that no officer had a case to answer for misconduct or gross misconduct, we were not satisfied that appropriate findings were made in relation to some of the allegations. 'In upholding some of the appeal, we considered a detective constable should receive management action over record keeping and evidence preservation to learn and reflect on their actions.' 'I wanted to find out why this had happened. I knew I'd been failed, but I was totally shocked by just how badly I'd been let down.' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9959579/Girl-12-went-police-report-sexual-assault-officers-sent-away-abusers.html

I'd use the word 'adaptation' myself. I agree, very little in the Dasam Granth Sahib is a straight translation. Until proper vidwaans study these granths in depth and bring out the subtle things within, especially in relation to the original works, I think we'll be in a basic position as a panth. The traditional steeks with their surface literal translations don't always cut it in my opinion, but I do appreciate anyone who has created any of these, because they are helpful with language.

I've had enough trouble over this over the years. I'll leave it to the people who've taken up the mantle and have done a blinding job like SAS and SYUK. We should support them. And YOU bro! You need to open your eyes a bit more. Don't take everything around you at surface value. RE: at least you support what you say with substance. I think Puzzledtoo's statement here: No the neighbors fault,neighbors dogs fault,the tree growing in their yards fault. Lets just blame everyone else other than the person committing all these acts. C'mon sister, lets get real here. Is bang on point. Ultimately we need to make this about personally responsibility and not the victimhood of females.

Veera, we are in a really basic position regarding our own written culture. I know we have Gobind Gita, which some people purport to be a composition of dasmesh pita, or at least a contemporary darbar writing which is a commentary of Bhagawad Gita. We are in such a basic position right now, most of us aren't familiar with the contents and would struggle to read it. I'd be more impressed if a giani shed light on this, or someone translated it fully.