dallysingh101

People have to try and take a step towards Waheguru before expecting Waheguru to step towards you. I tell you, our problems back home stem from blatant and rampant selfishness - greed if you will - nothing else. Forget outsiders, look how many people within families skank their own of land in our community- it's actually commonplace. Even my grandpa got jacked out of a whole bunch of land/property by his cousin a few years ago. And every second person I talk too has the same story (unless they are the ones doing the skanking). If we turn around and blame Hindus/Goray/Muslims for all of our woes that makes us look like dim-witted, incompetent fudhoos who have no control over their own lives/destiny at the hands of other people. It's got so bad now, that expecting and pushing for our own people not to act moronically isn't even considered an option now.....

I don't agree. I've met and worked with hordes of farmer's sons from backhome and many of them are spolit (not all mind you). There is this attitude of wanting to bowl around like you are a lord of the manor in Panjab itself, contemptuously beneath the labour intensive work of 'lesser castes' but then being happy as heck to come to UK, Canada, US and work for peanuts carrying cement buckets all day like a mule. Our own farmers have done enough by failing to read and understand instructions on fertiliser, and blindly jumping on any scheme that ups crop yields regardless of environmental impacts. And when they do get money, they spend it on the dumbest stuff like showing you're a big-shot on your daughters wedding, flash motorbikes etc. I met one guy, he was using money sent from UK by his brother to buy a fleet of tractors, although the amount of land he had only required one. If Panjab has gone from THE richest state, with some of the hardest working people anywhere, to the cesspit of today, apnay have played their part in this decline. It isn't just all external scheming against us. And then tell me who exactly votes in the Badals time and time again - the farmers themselves. Most of our issues back home stem from our own backward thinking.

I know, I thought we were talking about Panjabi farmers in particular though? Other people, like celebrities or super rich folk often inadvertently surround themselves with sycophants who are just hanging out with 'success'. When they get older, and less good looking, or something happens that stops the gravy train, these people drop them like hot potatoes. It's like a lot of these rich people are surrounded by hordes but are really lonely inside because they've never or rarely experienced genuine closeness with people. There are loads of reasons for people committing suicide, but in the Panjabi farmer's case I think it is maya or economic.

If the sector is so unproductive for so many, farmers need to diversify and make livings in other ways. There is another problem with excess pride, too much spending money on superfluous stuff because Panjabis (especially the jats) love to 'floss'. Then feeling worthless or diminished because you can't do this. Then also this whole excess pride of owning land and being a farmer - mate if the trade is not making you enough money to survive, do something else. A lot of farmers have nice plots they could use in other ways. Stubbornly sticking to something that doesn't pay is nuts. Panjab completely lacks in creativity when it comes to economy. Need to get away from farming. For God's sake, it was always a crap living; that's why so many farmers were compelled to join the British army to help make ends meet in the past. So the instability of sustaining yourself in this way is no new news. Sometimes I think our people are a bit retarded.

You got to be careful with this one!! You know goray might whisk her away to some 'sheltered accommodation' miles from home. These places are often hotspots for sexual abusers who know that the women within are isolated and vulnerable. What a bewakoof family, see how deranged this jaat-paat thing is. Threatening to kill your own kid or yourself over it!!! What the heck!?!?! I tell you what, women and men like your mum and mama need to get slapped about. I feel for you. This is mental.

What baffles me is how so many apnay are so lulloo when it comes to understanding gora politics. I'm like 'are you REALLY that simple?'

What Genie was saying. The west have a VERY long history of covertly supporting jihadists against people they want overthrown. Even this ISIS lot were armed by Britain. White people play a big part in making Islamic fundamentalism grow, but then act all innocent and complain about it when they turn on them. Fools. .

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Flippin hell. Same post in 4 threads. You're bonkers mate.

Jeevan, you've posted this identical post in 3 separate threads that I've read so far. What the heck? Why didn't you make a new thread? This is long.

It's sad that we still face stupidity like this.

Yeah, you can't be in two boats at the same time. Plus there is the matter of the perceived lack of commitment. Better a person commits to one faith rather than flirt with many.

You've got a point. What I'm suggesting is ground level movement. Slowly but steadily working against current practices. Truth is that a fair few people have already rejected caste - okay they may be a minority, but it can grow. And the more it does, the more of a snowball effect it can have. For the moment I give up on India/Panjab. With the general vested interest and monopoly of top Sikh institutes by catseists coupled with the fact that almost every film, and every third song is reinforcing casteism, we'll have to fight that battle another day. But outside, in the diaspora - we've got a good shot at changing things.

What are you waffling on about? Before we can start pointing fingers elsewhere, we need to at least sort our own hypocritical practices out. As for greedy selfish Sikhs, there are plenty of them in every jaat....

Okay, if we've 'progressed' in a particular direction but regressed in another, it just means we have to balance things out. I think it's an ongoing process.

I just heard on the radio today. Now that Russia has stepped in Brits feel brave enough to send '100 personal' to the region. Typical of them, always hiding behind the big boys. lol

It's not as straight forward as that: by tacitly supporting the caste divided 'martial race theory' pushed by the Brits, Singh Sabha (maybe unwittingly) helped calcify caste hierarchy ideas amongst apnay.

Make sure you print copies of any incriminating or relevant emails/memos as they come in, and take them home! A common tactic is to start disciplinary proceedings against someone and bar them from the work premises including accessing emails, they'll even stop you accessing them from home! Then they might get the IT dept. to 'tidy up' incriminating emails etc. Then you end up short of evidence that supports your case at any tribunal in future.

I think this is the key. The more people evaluate themselves and refuse to perpetuate the rotten thinking, and challenge it on an individual basis, the weaker that stuff will become. People are trained/taught to be casteist by their families and wider social circles, we have to break the cycle. Once enough people do this, the casteists will struggle to maintain their position. I think we have a better chance of doing this in the west than India right now. And if those people back home can mimic all the crappy stuff we do here, maybe they can also start picking up on the positive over time? This here is a good read to understand the issue: Read from Chapter 3 (page 28 onwards). http://www.global.ucsb.edu/punjab/dissertations/NBehlDissertation.pdf

We've got to start at home, people from 'Dalit' backgrounds within the quom often complain about disgusting treatment at the hands of so-called 'higher caste' Sikhs. Khalsa need to straighten out their own house before they can preach to others in my opinion. Our community (like others) has a habit of totally ignoring these issues.

To make it worse, I betcha she went to some expensive, fancy desi beauty parlour to get those lines drawn... lol You know the ones: with a £29.95 special on 'face whitening'.

That's what people don't understand: Once you buy into the whole jaat paat thing (or are brain washed into it by your family/wider society), it naturally lends itself to disgusting, indifferent behaviour towards those deemed lesser than you without giving it a second thought. It took me a while to understand this, and it explained why even amongst our own quom, apnay will act in a disgraceful way towards those deemed 'lower-caste' to them and be shocked that anyone objects to it.

It increasingly looks as if the West's hey days are over. They just haven't accepted this truth yet. When I'm out and about in London these days, I see loads of insecure looking Europeans. Even they seem to know that the international dominance game is up.

So might is right then... In any case, what you mention is just textbook guerilla warfare tactics against a larger and better resourced enemy. No one is jock-riding Russia btw. But the outright mess made of the mid-east by the US and European alliance is disgusting.

^^^ Waste of time in my opinion. Better off getting yourself to a gym and training it out (training at home is fine too). Only the retarded and indifferent in our community don't know what's going on now.