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  1. ISI ने रची PM मोदी के ब्रिटेन दौरे में खलल डालने की ये साजिश!
  2. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Intelreports-indicate-radicalization-of-UK-Sikhs-Modi-moots-talks-with-Cameron/articleshow/49757455.cms NEW DELHI: Radical Sikh outfits are not only holding ideological indoctrination sessions at UK gurdwaras for young members of the Sikh diaspora, but are also giving them live demonstrations on how to make improvised explosive device (IEDs) with commonly available chemicals, claim intelligence inputs shared with the government here. The intelligence reports say Avtar Singh Khanda, vice president of Shiromani Akali Dal (Mann) and a close aide of terrorist Jagtar Singh Hawara, and Babbar Khalsa International-UK's Paramjit Singh Pamma are planning to hold theoretical radicalisation training classes for the Sikh youth, where they will also be trained to assemble IEDs with locally available chemicals. Such classes were earlier conducted in Guru Nanak Gurdwara, Spark Hill, Stratford, Birmingham (December 2014) and Gurdwara Singh Sabha, Glasgow (January 2015). Modi is expected to take up the issue of presence and anti-India activities of radical Sikh groups based in UK, apparently with the backing of Pakistan's ISI, with British counterpart David Cameron during his UK visit starting Thursday. He will draw attention of the UK authorities to alleged fund-raising by radicals belonging to banned outfits like BKI, International Sikh Youth Federation and Khalistan Zindabad Force during meetings of the Sikh diaspora. These funds are reportedly sent to intermediaries based in Punjab and Pakistan, as per intelligence reports. India is also concerned at the creation of the Miri Piri Foundation on July 31 which has declared the creation of Khalistan as its primary goal. More recently on September 20, the annual convention of Sikh Federation-UK (SFUK) held at a gurdwara in Wolverhampton (West Midlands) declared the establishment of Khalistan as its mission. An amount of £97,750 was collected by SFUK in donations. Modi is also expected to register India's concerns and objections to some pro-Khalistan TV channels operating in the UK. These include Sikh Channel and Sangat TV, both of which like France-based Star Live, are allegedly controlled by Sikh radicals and known to indulge in anti-India tirade. Sikh channel and Sangat TV had tried to incite young Sikhs by repeatedly covering an incident in Jammu dated June 4 that saw one Sikh youth killed in police firing. Intelligence reports say the owner of Sikh Channel had given approximately £2,500 to the Pakistan-based chief of Dal Khalsa International. Incidentally, BKI also runs an Internet radio called Babbar Khalsa Radio, which reportedly glorifies slain Khalistani militants. Modi's ongoing visit to the UK is being opposed by local Sikh radical groups, which are planning protests at proposed venues such as 10 Downing Street, Parliament Square, Indian High Commission, Wembley Stadium, Cambridge/Oxford University, the hotel where the Indian Prime Minister will be staying as well as the Hindu temple he plans to visit, besides the airport. A UK-based NGO, Aawaz Network, has created a Twitter page and Google Plus page in the name of Dal Khalsa-UK to mobilise people for anti-Modi protests. The demonstrators are likely to protest outside Wembley Stadium on Friday.
  3. The Sikh family accepted my cousin. She follow certain tenants of Sikhi and visit gurudwara. Marring hindu is not illegal in Sikhism. Do remember the time once, 1 child of every Hindu family in Punjab/nothern india became Sikh to protect our land from invaders. Who can forget the sacrifice of Guru Tegh bahadur.
  4. I meant the self sabotage. Ok. No use of finding fault in the poor slum dwelllers's children. Sikhs and Hindus have common interests. Sikhs are everywhere in India & they are recognized for their values. This forum is biased against some hindu organisation. I do admit that Hindus have problems with Muslims. There is history behind it. But Sikhism and Hinduism are our home religions. There is no conspiracy to dilute any faith.
  5. What is the big deal in marrying a Hindu. My cousin is married to a Sikh boy. some people will always be paranoid about losing identity. Non stop anti Indian & anti hindu propaganda in Sikh media spread across Europe, Canada have turned Sikh paranoid of India. Happy Deepawali to our Sikh brothers and Sisters on this forum!
  6. They are many ignorant Sikhs who can do this work for stroking khalistani sentiment in state. Similarly there are many shivsena followers who can do the same. Some of these people may be paid by ISI and they wont know the reason
  7. This is clear cut ISI plan to disrupt communal harmony in punjab. I leaked the IB report 2 days ago. Why will Sikh and Hindu desecrate their book. Both community respect and revere other's belief. ISI reportedly asked IM operatives to incite communal tensions in India Read more at: http://www.oneindia.com/india/isi-reportedly-asked-im-operatives-incite-communal-tensions-in-india-1921379.html
  8. Go and read the source 1.Deccan Heritage, H. K. Gupta, A. Parasher and D. Balasubramanian, Indian National Science Academy, 2000, p. 144, Orient Blackswan, ISBN 81-7371-285-9 2. "Large And Famous Diamonds". Minelinks.com. Retrieved 2009-08-10. 3. Iradj Amini, ed. (July 20, 2002). "KOH-I-NOOR". United States: Encyclopædia Iranica – Online Version. Retrieved 2012-08-22.
  9. The diamond was mined from Kollur in andhra pradesh. Kakatiya dynasty of vijaynagar kingdom got it established in a temple of a Hindu goddess as her eye Later afghani, irani & Sikh kindgom got hold of this diamond. English took it from Sikhs after Sikh empire collapsed. India contributed 95% of all accessible minerals in subcontinent to british raj. British build their empire on Indian cotton, tea, silk, coal, iron, bauxite, gold and diamond
  10. Sikhs are still living there as usual. The land mafia is present but plz dont say that those goons are controlled by PM. Gujarat CM has taken urgent notice of it.
  11. Dont cite a khangressi/Scamgressi opinion as truth. They will as usual blame BJP without proof
  12. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HyJZSxSFh8 Addressing a huge election rally at Rangabhumi Maidan in Purnia, Modi said after the death of Indira Gandhi, Congress leaders led attacks on Sikhs who have not forgotten the pain even now. "Today, Congress leaders talk of intolerance and Nitish Kumar and Lalu Prasad have joined hands with the Congress," said Modi, in an oblique reference to some recent killings and incidents of attack in various parts of the country for which his government has drawn flak.
  13. http://www.outlookindia.com/article/victory-to-the-mob/228338 Victory To The Mob The Nanavati report is utter garbage. All the killers are roaming freely. Updates KHUSHWANT SINGH I have only two words for Justice G.T. Nanavati's inquiry report on the butchery of Sikhs 21 years ago: utter garbage. I have the report in hand, all 349 pages, plus the Action Taken Report presented by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's government in Parliament on August 8. I thought it would take a whole day or two to go through it. It took only a couple of hours because it is largely based on what transpired in zones of different police stations and long lists of names which meant nothing to me. There are broad hints about the involvement of Congress leaders like H.K.L. Bhagat, Jagdish Tytler, Dharam Dass Shastri and Sajjan Kumar. He gives them the benefit of the doubt and suggests yet another inquiry commission to look into the charges against them. Yet another commission? For God's sake, is he serious? To say the least, I was deeply disappointed with the whole thing. But the game of shirking responsibility was to attain higher levels! First, the government took its own sweet time to put the report on the table of the House, waiting till the last day allotted to it for doing so. Union home minister Shivraj Patil had assured the House when the report had been submitted to him six months ago that the government had nothing to hide. However, he hid it till he could hide it no more. That shows the government's mala fide intent in the whole business. Even the Action Taken Report makes sorry reading. Most of it is aimed at the policemen now retired from service and hence no longer liable for disciplinary action. Any wonder why, despite monetary compensation, the sense of outrage among families of victims has not diminished by the passage of years. About 21 years ago, northern India down to Karnataka witnessed a bloodbath the likes of which the country had not experienced since Independence nor after. When I rang up Zail Singh as a mob was reported to be on its way to my flat, his office said he thought I should move into a Hindu friend's house. In Delhi, over 3,000 Sikhs were murdered, their wives and daughters gangraped, their properties looted, 72 gurudwaras burnt down. The all-India total of casualties was close to 10,000, the loss of property over thousands of crores. What triggered off the holocaust was the assassination of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. On the morning of October 31, 1984, she was assassinated by two of her Sikh security guards. As the news of her death spread, rampaging mobs of Hindus shouting khoon ka badla khoon se lenge (we will avenge blood with blood), armed with cans of petrol, matchboxes and lathis set upon Sikhs they met on the roads—easily identifiable because of their distinct appearance—and set them on fire. Sikh-owned shops and homes were attacked and looted. Most of this mayhem and murder took place in Congress-ruled states. Word had gone round, "Teach the Sikhs a lesson"; the police was instructed not to intervene. It was then people realised how much ill-will Sikhs had earned because of the hate-filled utterances of Bhindranwale against Hindus and the years of killings carried out by his hoodlums in Punjab. No Sikh leader, neither Congress nor Akali, had raised his voice in protest. Consequently, when Mrs Gandhi ordered the army to enter the Golden Temple to get Bhindranwale dead or alive, no Hindu condemned the action as unwarranted. Sikhs were deeply hurt by Operation Blue Star and ultimately two of them decided to murder Mrs Gandhi. What followed was largely condoned by Hindus and the Hindu-owned media. I don't think Rajiv was himself a party to the anti-Sikh pogrom. Only, he was guilty of allowing it to go on till his mother's funeral was over. Girilal Jain, editor of the Times of India, wrote that Sikhs should have been aware of what lay in store for them. N.C. Menon, editor of theHindustan Times, wrote that they had "clawed their way to prosperity" and deserved what they got. There were few people left to share their pain. It must be acknowledged that some leaders of the Sangh parivar and the RSS, including A.B.Vajpayee, went out of their way to help the Sikhs.So did men like Ram Jethmalani, Soli Sorabjee and a few others. It was evident that the central government had abdicated its authority. President Giani Zail Singh, who returned from a foreign tour, called at the AIIMS and after paying homage to Mrs Gandhi's body returned to Rashtrapati Bhavan. His car was stoned on its way. Thereafter, he refused to entertain phone calls. When I rang him up for help as a mob was reported to be on its way to my flat, his secretary Tarlochan Singh (now an MP and chairman of the Minorities Commission) told me that Gianiji was of the opinion that I should move into the house of a Hindu friend. No more. And when a group led by I.K. Gujral and General J.S. Arora and Patwant Singh muscled their way into Rashtrapati Bhavan, he assured them he was doing everything he could. He had done the same kind of thing earlier: Operation Blue Star took place without his knowing anything about it till he learnt about it from the media. Then he made noises in strict privacy but did not resign. Nor did he when fellow Sikhs were being butchered. He brought the prestige of the President of the Republic to an all-time low. Rajiv Gandhi, who flew in from Calcutta with his cousin and confidant Arun Nehru, was quickly sworn in as prime minister by Zail Singh without consulting other ministers or chief ministers of states. Rajiv was busy receiving foreign dignitaries coming to attend his mother's funeral. Days later, in his first public speech, he exonerated the murderers: "When a big tree falls, the earth beneath it is bound to shake." He meant to take no action in the matter and retained men named as leaders of mobs in his cabinet. Home minister Narasimha Rao did not stir out of his house. When a few eminent Sikhs approached him, he listened to them in studied silence. He remained, as he always was, the paradigm of masterly inactivity. With the three men at the top refusing to do their duty, little could be expected from the Lt Governor of Delhi or the police commissioner. Section 144 of the ipc, forbidding gatherings of more than five people, was not promulgated or enforced; no curfew was imposed, no shoot-at-sight order given. A unit of the army was brought in from Meerut but when it was discovered that they were Sikhs, it was ordered to stay in the cantonment and not meddle with the civic unrest. The only word I could think of using for the way the authorities carried out its duties? Downright disgusting. I filed an affidavit and appeared before the Nanavati Commission. It was less like a court dealing criminal charges and more like a tea party. It was like spitting in the face of all democratic institutions. However, there were citizens' organisations which refused to allow a crime of this magnitude to go uninvestigated and unpunished. Leading them were Dr Rajni Kothari and Justice (retd) V.M. Tarkunde. Kothari's report, Who Are the Guilty, named men like H.K.L. Bhagat, Jagdish Tytler, Sajjan Kumar, Dharam Dass Shastri—all MPs and leaders of the Delhi municipality amongst leaders of goonda gangs. None of those named took these men or organisations to court for criminal libel. When Jagdish Tytler claimed that none of the commissions of inquiry implicated him in the anti-Sikh violence, he was lying. You can see it in the smirk on his satanic face. Only sarkari commissions let him off the hook. More important than Kothari and Tarkunde's findings were those of the non-official commission of inquiry set up under retired chief justice of the Supreme Court, S.M. Sikri. Comprising retired ambassadors, governors and senior civil servants (none of them a Sikh), thecommission castigated the government in no uncertain terms. The government could not ignore its verdict.Ultimately, Rajiv Gandhi took the Sikh problem in his own hands. He appointed Arjun Singh governor of Punjab to make contacts with Akali leaders in jails.They were released in small batches to create a favourable atmosphere.Secret negotiations with Sant Harchand Singh Longowal were started. Zail Singh, Buta Singh and others were kept in the dark. On July 24, 1985, the Rajiv-Longowal Accord was signed. Amongst other items, it provided for an inquiry commission into the incidents of violence of November 1984. Justice Ranganath Mishra of the Supreme Court was appointed as a one-man commission. 'Operation Whitewash' had begun. Before Mishra was half-way through, the panel of lawyers representing victims of the holocaust led by Soli Sorabjee expressed its lack of confidence in the learned judge's impartiality and withdrew from the commission. Mishra went ahead and submitted his findings to the government. As expected, he held the Lt Governor and the police commissioner of Delhi guilty of dereliction of duty. It must have occurred to him that neither of the two could have acted the way they did without the instructions of higher-ups, including the prime minister or someone acting on his behalf or the home minister. I doubt if Mishra can look at his own face in a mirror. I don't think Rajiv Gandhi was himself a party to the anti-Sikh pogrom. If he was guilty of anything, it was allowing it to go on for two days and nights till his mother's funeral was over. Behind it all was his eminence grise who sent out the message: "Teach the Sikhs a lesson". No commission of inquiry, official or non-official, has looked into the role of this sinister character, although he is still very much alive and around in Delhi's political circuit. Nor, unfortunately, can I look into it at this stage. After the Mishra Commission, nine others were instituted by the government. Their terms of reference were restricted. Nothing much came out of their findings as most of them focused on the shortcomings of the Delhi police in handling the crisis. Resentment against the government continued to simmer. Ultimately, in May 2000, the government set up yet another commission of inquiry under Justice G.T. Nanavati. He was to submit his report in six months. At the leisurely pace he heard evidence tendered, it took him five years to do so. I did not expect very much from him. But H.S. Phoolka, who had taken charge of presenting victims' grievances, persuaded me to file an affidavit and appear before him. I did so, but the way the inquiry commission functioned didn't inspire much confidence. It was less like a court dealing with criminal charges and more like a tea party with lawyers on both sides exchanging pleasantries. I told the commission what I had seen with my own eyes taking place around where I live: burning of Sikh-owned taxi cabs and the desecration of a gurudwara behind my flat, looting of Sikh-owned shops in Khan Market—all in full view of dozens of policemen armed with lathis lined along the road but doing nothing. I also told him of my futile attempts to get President Zail Singh on the phone. There is no doubt about it: the November 1984 anti-Sikh violence will remain a blot on the face of our country for times to come. No one will take the findings of these sarkari commissions of inquiry seriously. It will be left to historians to chronicle events that led to this tragedy and the miscarriage of justice that followed. A few salutary lessons that the experience has taught us should be kept in mind by our leaders.The most important is to understand that crimes unpunished breed criminals.Another equally important thing to bear in mind is that the State must never abdicate its monopoly of punishing criminals, if it overlooks its duty or delays dispensing justice beyond limits of endurance, it encourages aggrieved parties to take the law in their own hands and settle scores with those who wronged them.If we do not learn these lessons now, we will have more holocausts in the years to come.
  14. Khuswant SIngh mostly writes anti RSS and Anti bjp. He just describes the facts. There are many account of Hindus & RSS acitivist helping Sikh neighbors from congress arsonist . RSS was never in power until 1998. Calling them elites should be churlish.
  15. This is a malicious campaign designed by few people to tarnish image of RSS RSS helped in protecting Sikhs during 1984 Anti-Sikh Riots. Sikh intellectual and author of ‘A History of the Sikhs’, Khushwant Singh, credits members of the RSS with helping and protecting Sikhs who were being targeted during the 1984 Anti-Sikh Riots.
  16. 1. Ram raheem never offered AAP support 2. AAP doesnt look what it seems. Just follow them for 2 weeks & you will understand their agenda.They sent one of their MLA to seek support from Shahi immam of Jama masjid. The video of Shahi immam with news channel is available. Once media came to know about it, then crook Kejriwal rejected the offer to prove himself as honest leader. Arvind Kerjwai is atheist & he is the 1st person to introduce Rakhi style bollywood in Indian politics. Many clips of Kejriwal have emerged where he is found abusing his competitors in (his party). He removed all top leaders from his party after winning delhi election. Another clip reveal him saying that he uses Muslims as vote bank. Kejriwal govt performance is below par. He keeps picking up fights with Central govt over trivial reasons 3. Punjabi Hindus are less than 8% in delhi. They are loyal BJP+Akali voters. Kejriwal won bcoz of freebies,doles and united media who didnt want to see a powerful modi govt 4. Sikhs & Immigrant Hindus from other states did support Kejriwal in Delhi but Kejriwal have become very unpopular in last 8 months. 5. It's very sad that Many people on this forum accuse RSS/BJP for causing beadbi of the Holy book. BJP is very much a pro Sikh party. RSS have been running campaign in Punjab where Sikh who converted to Christianity are being taught the importance of Sikh religion. Many of them have converted back to Sikhism via the Ghar wapsi campaign. Shrinking demography of Sikhs are big concerns for India. Coming back to the topic: RSS, BJP& all political parties should support apolitical religious leaders who can keep Akal Takht away from local politics. Hindus and Sikhs have converging interests in 21st century. Sikhism have been major source of inspiration for Hindus.
  17. RSS is pro Sikh as well. Ram raheem is over hyped, Dhongi Pakhandi. How can any sensible person follow him:) He has some support in haryana. Politically, its not incorrect to not have good relations with all religious gurus and Pakhandhi- Ramraheen Love charger baba:) In Punjab, BJP is the only party which is not involved in communal politics. AAP is party of crooks. They perpetrated church attacks in Delhi.,which was blamed on BJP. So you never know if AAP is stroking communal passion. 1. BJP is not interested in winnning Punjab election 2017. Their top priority is to maintain law & order. I&B have raised an alarm on worsening security situation in Punjab. At max, BJP will continue to piggyback behind Akali dal as junior partner. BJP &Akali have recently come out with 18month strategy to improve law & order, business environment and get Punjab back into mainstream narrative. 2. AAP is desperate to win Punjab by hook or crook. 3. Certain sections in Akali who are not confident of 2017; would try to leverage religious polarization
  18. ISI has asked IM operatives to desecrate shrines: Intelligence inputs http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/ISI-has-asked-IM-operatives-to-desecrate-shrines-Intelligence-inputs/articleshow/49696672.cms?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=TOIIndiaNews NEW DELHI: Pakistani intelligence agency ISI has reportedly tasked terrorists belonging to Indian Mujahideen to carry out acts of vandalism at religious places in India, particularly Punjab, in a bid to incite communal passions. Sources said attempts to vandalize religious places or desecrate religious symbols could be undertaken in border areas of Punjab or Jammu & Kashmir by IM terrorists, mainly absconders in ongoing cases relating to past attacks by the outfit. The two states have been advised to step up vigil in a latest advisory marked to the state chief secretaries/DGPs. A few other states, including Haryana and UP, have been alerted and asked to take preventive steps as vandalism at their religious places may lead to communal tension in the neighbouring states. Only last month, inputs about five Pakistani terrorists having entered India had prompted the Centre to alert all states. They were asked to stay extra vigilant against any attempt by subversive elements to disrupt the peace and spark communal tensions during the festival season. The advisory had warned how campaigns against cow slaughter by Hindu activists could lead to road-blockades, arson and communal incidents. Communal tension could also be triggered due to sacrifice of cattle at public and non-traditional places.
  19. Who else will benefit from the beadbi. Hindus in Punjab revere holy book. Sikhs wont do it. There are some Christian converts & few gujjar muslims. Pakistan can easily employ some jobless people.
  20. #BREAKING ISI planning to carry out vandalism at religious places to stroke communal tension. All DGPs altered about it: Sources @/IndiaTodayFLASH/status/662642925470244864
  21. It's waste conversing with these Fanatic Islamist. Quran turns them into zombies. We should focus towards Muslim girls and women as they are exploited by repressive Islamic laws.
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