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Its rather obvious, dont think the Gurus ever sat down and were like umm what you think about Naam or this Bani Took, and be like hmm this is what i think it means and then the other guru say no but this what i read xD Yea I might be making it sound trivial but have you thought about it. If not then all of our views should be the same as our Gurus Bani was 1 the Guru is 1 and his Shabad is 1

Its funny how all you guys read the same Gurbani but have totally different views on things, just mind boggling

Bhai shaib I think where your coming from Is beautiful, love for all is such a simple thing to say but in practise is so hard and if you say you have then Dhan theri Bhagh. As for the Sikh religion to be blunt you haven't have studied anything, if you did you would have came to that conclusion Sikhism is a path of Love, love for people your family and the world. Theres 2 things here, one that you say you believe in God, what that says to me is that creation is God doing ie the world suns the galaxy and so on, on the flip side, the vices Anger Lust greed attachment Ego as Un-seen entities, If you believe in these then to say you want to follow your own path, is the most foolish thing imaginable, ill explain why. Imagine having 5 un-seen entity's which effect the consciousness, evils such as Hate, Lust, greed of possessions, attachment (which causes a mind frame to be selfish) Egotism (which has led to killings over superiority) its is a big thing cause they are un-seen how does one tackle them?? It would be very imbalanced if we were lumbard with such evils and no way to Tackle/defeat this entity. - Sub section of this is why would God lumber us with this un-seen force which are called the punj choor, which corrupt the Mind, on a day to day basis, and try to bring the mind in to doing Sin, such as look at women/men in a sexual way, or deform the mind to back chat and Nindh. -Well this goes back to to the creation of the Game between the Mind and the Punj Choor, during Sat Jug we were not bound to these Sins we had full understanding of right and wrong, it was only over time which some of us par-took in Ridh Sidhs and Sins (knowingly) which slowly corrupted the mind slowly. Now we are in the 4th era called Kal Jug. The other 2 are explained in gurbani and also our state of mind within these eras. Now saying that there are real forces that actively corrupt the mind is the biggest discovery that man kind can make, as 2 things come to light theres more going on in side our body than we understand and 2 we are totally in the dark to what they are. Now saying they corrupt the mind is to say, some things are out of my control and may be the basis of my behaviour, which is unthinkable to some, as the question of one is only answerable for his own action, also if i am doing the bidding of another unknowingly am i really who I say I am, or these actions my own. Well the answer is No, you are not fully in-control of your thought process, they have been discreetly moulded by the Mia (Punj choor) since birth, now knowing this are you happy being shackled by forces within the consciousness, Due to our own actions, even today If Yes then carry on with life, If No (these Vices are a burden on my thought process). Then answers to the counter are in Sukhmani shaib, and in many many many other places in Sat Gurus writings. Second Point I want to bring up for you is the path of love, Guru shiabs where loving people they cared for all unconditionally, now i believe I also am unconditional towards all, thats why i align my self with Guru Granth shiab cause sat Guru is a forever caring.

Khalsa Raj is when you have conquered the Punj Choor and killed Kaal, this is where you become Raja of your own Body, the other Raj you are talking about it worldly which i dont know about, Gurbani talks about the Victory from Ego Lust Anger Greed Attachment as the ultimate Raj

Bhai shaib thats sad to hear, i will do ardaas for veer ji Also when you say lost to the Punj chore what do you mean

From personal experience it was a problem, but hasn't bothered me in the last 2 years as i got my Simran routine in place, but it was 4 hours a day i mean if you want to know what to do, send me a privtate msg and ill be glad to help with any info.

Totally Agree with Bhai Shiab, very well written

Osingh what do you mean that not everywhere is sachkand, are you trying to say there is a place where God doesnt not reside, i think you need to re-think that.

Sachkand is a place where God resides, which is everywhere, as written in Japi shaib. if your talking about Nihj kar and Parlok thats starts where Air water and fire stops, thats called Nirinkars Desh, spiritual side like where Mind goes if we follow the Gurus teaching

1st how do you guys know that Baba Thakur ji was a Bhramgyani, did he say he was ?? Doesnt it say in sukhmani shaib that only a Bhramgyani knows the Ghat of a Bhramgyani, that said if i remember correctly Guru Nanak Dev ji said he was a Man of 1 breath that he didn't live for the 2nd one coz he didn't know when his life would be over, coz the Gurus used to live in Pana of Vaheguru and even though they knew, they didnt contemplate on it, only that there msg was for all Sikhs to thrive to live as there next breath was there last.

Gurbani talks about meeting God and having Convos, (amazing right) and yea there are people who have had darshan and Malap, you just need to find them, they usually do katha of the other side, like Nij Ghar, Un Mun, Amar puri and so on But i must say anyone that does, needs to prove what they are saying, much like Guru Nanak used to have to prove to people who he said he was, either by showing them pargrash or allowing them to hear Unhad Shabad

Ummm not to be negitive but you've given alot of info on things which you say you havent experienced your self, hense i linked Baba jis audio, and Sant Isher singh jee has said there are 4.2 million roums on the boby not 50 billion. i just think as ive learnt, that only talk about avastas that you your self have achieved other wise there is always a niggling doubt whether your information is 100% accurate. Sry if i offended Fateh

Sant Baba Isher singh jee talks about itt, and how its done i cant find the audio, as i might have it in cassette form, but Bhai Seva singh Jee here also opened it up for the sungat to understand in this audio http://simran.info/pmkc/cd/ go down to simran vidhies

Best place is to try is Taksal web site

Hi guys The keertani is Bhai Mehar Singh ji The shabad that stands out in this tape, us the one ive been looking for is "Raaj Li la tera naam binaiy" it sounds like the kirtan is taking place in a house program, keep in mind i remember hearing this around 14 years ago So will probley be an old tape of bhia shaib Thx

Wow this is probley the best question if heared in a long time, rely this has struck me very much Thun Thun

Well i dont know about the ones Above, never rely come across them in Gur-Bani, But the ones stated in Gurbani are more then just 7. Theres "Sohag" which mean wife (This is when you get to amrit Rass) "Amrit rass jin piaya so thri ka shohaag" There Many but ill do my best to take you through them First stage for most people is Sun "Sun samad Shaha kar bara" This is the first home for the mind. There are 4 suns in bani 4th is Nirinkaar the desh. And in diffrent stage is that Desh. Sant, Sadhu, Bhagat and Bham Giani I could go on but sikhi is practicle you need to do Simran to pass these stages, and if your not this is just knowleged and thats about it Fateh

Thanks Benji, Ive also checked these and no luck thanks anyway, ill still look around Vaheguru

Maharaj talk in bani about Sangat, in bani it say if you listen to a Bhagats katah he will wash all your sins away. The way you know if god has forgiven you is when you start passing Bhav sagar, God only has to look your way once and you will leave Bhav Sagar (Kaal Faas) in a second. You'll notice in the Bani of the Bhagats thay ask for God to do Dyal Drisht (to look with forgiveness) Listen to this shabad it talks about Drisht http://www.keertan.org/keertan/RARE%20LIVE...20Sharan%29.mp3 Vaheguru

watch this video!! black magic v sikhism [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zz0lJHlhPQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zz0lJHlhPQ[/url] I was going to susjest the same thing, I could have put a very long post explaing why jaddo tona cant and wont effect you, lets just say it takes alot of Kamia (meditaion) to get rid sid (powers) and trust me there are very few people in the world that have these and its very unlikely that you've bumped in to some that has them. Its not the Jado tuna its your state of mind which is off, Prubh Kai Simran Kaal Par Haria (Kaal is the strongest power excluding Guru he controls the world/universe and the Punj Choor, and as Guru Arjan Dev ji is saying by doing Simran you are freed from its power) So the key here is to do Abiaas (Simran) And just for peace of mind check out all the other things that Simran frees you from, In sukhmani shaib Vaheguru

Has any body got any old videos on Bhai Mehar singh, and im also lokking for this one tape i heard in a freinds car maybe back in 1997 it was off bhai mehar singh ji the shabad is Raj Relia Teri Naam Beni, god ive been thinking about this shabad for so many years i lost contact with that friend and thats why i cant get it. I've post this comment before, but im really looking for this shabad. P.s ive seen that video on keertan.org but maybe any body got any other old types of the shabad Vaheguru

Has any body got any old videos on Bhai Mehar singh, and im also lokking for this one tape i head in a freinds car maybe back in 1997 it was off bhai mehar singh ji the shabad is Raj Relia Teri Naam Beni, god ive been thinking about this shabad for so many years i lost contact with that friend and thats why i cant get it P.s ive seen that video on keertan.org but maybe any body got any other old types of the shabad Vaheguru

Vaheguru Vaheguru thanks alot for that I love this fourom great people on it Vaheguru

No I looked thanks though