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You have fallen into the same mindset as the liberals that having less kids is helping the world against over-population. I gave the example of the Jews how their orthodox section will be the vast majority of Jews and the same can be the case with us. It is easier to stay linked to Sikhi through familial ties even when one may not keep the saroop. For converts you need at least two or three generation before the reversion back into the old faith is gone forever. Increasing the Sikh population in Punjab can be done in many way and my thoughts are that increasing the birth rate is the best way. 1. Increasing the birth rate. If we are able to increase the birth rate and keep it at a rate higher than the non-Sikh population, this would mean that we can still have migration to the west and increase our population in the diaspora and thus increase our economic and political power there as well as retain a majority in Punjab. If roughly half of the Sikh couples who marry this year and every year in Punjab have 4 kids in the next 10 years, and the other half have 3 kids then in the next ten year because the non-Sikh population's birth rate is also declining, our majority would shoot up above 60% again. If this is kept up for the next 10 years after, then we become nearly 70%. After these 20 years even if new couples start to have just 2 kids then we will keep the 70% majority forever because the non-Sikh birth rate will be the same as ours. 2. Conversion of non-Sikh Punjabis. This is a good option too because it decreases the non-Sikh percentage and increases the Sikh percentage. However the parchar needs to be focussed and tailored to fit the aims and aspirations of the groups that are being targeted. Unfortunately, our parchariks think that they can make a non-Sikh want to take Amrit by just giving them a katha for half an hour. We need to understand that it is well nigh impossible to have the whole Panth as Amritdhari because the whole process towards Amrit is so individual for many people. We need to resurrect the old process towards Sikhi which was always Sangat/Pangat -Sehajdhari-Keshdhari-Amritdhari. There are lakhs of non-Sikhs in Punjab who are already in the Sangat/Pangat group which means that they go to the Gurdwara regularly but are unable to progress to becoming Sehajdhari Sikh because we have essentially deleted that category over the last 50 years. So these people consider themselves as Hindus who frequent the Gurdwara rather than being Sehajdhari Sikhs who have a buy in into Sikhi. Once these people start to consider themselves as Sehajdhari Sikhs and thus on the path to being full Sikhs at sometime in the future then every year we will gain more and more Sikhs. 3. In Migration of Sikhs from other states into Punjab. This is a situation where Sikligars from Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh are helped financially to migrate to Punjab to increase the Sikh majority. This tribe live in very small Tandas miles from anywhere and their lifestyle is becoming uneconomic. The Sikligars make locks, knives and sometimes even firearms. They have been persecuted by the police of their states for making firearms and the ones who make locks and knives have to spend many weeks away from their Tandas to towns across India to sell their wares. If non-Sikh bhaiyas can migrate to Punjab and many start to live there then why cannot we help these Sikh tribes to also migrate and live in Punjab. The British Sikh Council which works with these tribes have mooted this idea recently. Migration to Punjab is also cost effective because rather than build Gurdwaras and schools in their Tandas they will have access to Gurdwaras and schools in Punjab if they migrate there. I agree with you that our diaspora is becoming more powerful but where we disagree is that it is possible to have growth of both the diaspora and Sikhi in Punjab thus ensuring that we have a boost via migration from Punjab and a boost of the Sikh population by an increase in the birth rate if Sikh organisations start to promote larger families again.

As usual you are talking out of your backside. Liberal Jews dominate most anti-Israel organisations. The whole self hating Jew concept is a very Jewish construct. Jews dominate the democratic party which has allowed the influx of Muslims and Palestinians into the party which has allowed anti-semitism to grow in the party. As for truck driving, that is a first generation occupation, if by the third generation the grandsons of the present truckers are still driving trucks you would have a point otherwise you fit well into the self hating tag.

Intelligence does not equate to having common sense. How many of the intelligent Jews such as Noam Chomsky are actively anti-Israel and making common cause with their enemies who want the genocide of the Jewish people such as Hamas? This might have been the case in the early years of the Jewish migrations to the US in the late 19th century and after the holocaust but today a Jew is more likely to want other Jews to fail and himself to be the only successful Jew in the world. Jews especially successful Jews hate other successful Jews. The vast majority do not. The anti-Israel organisations such as the BDS movement are dominated by self hating Jews. We are a century behind Jews in terms of when we migrated in large numbers to the USA and Canada. In the UK Sikhs have a higher percentage of home ownership which is one the chief markers of success than the Jews. The Jewish community has remained static or even decreased in numbers over the last few decades. Jewish institutions have gone from serving an increasing Jewish population when they were first founded to now being just liberal institutions being subsumed into the general mass of philanthropic institutions in the country.

There is nothing wrong is migration provided we are able to maintain our majority in Punjab or even increase it. This was the situation when we had the first round of mass migration from the 1960s to the 1980s. We were able to not only maintain our majority but increase it all the way up to 1991 even given the massacres were faced in the 1980s. What really set up back is the liberalisation and the inculcation of the small nuclear family into our culture. Once a people or nation lose their dynamic reproduction rate then it is almost impossible to get it back. Nations across the world are giving financial incentives to couples to have more children in order to increase their populations or even just to keep from their populations decreasing over the next decades. Russia is suffering a demographic timebomb. Italy too. I remember when the first indication of the decreasing Sikh reproductive rate became known when the Census of 2001 details on religion were released in 2004, the Akal Takht Jathedar made a statement that Sikhs should be having at least 4 children. The mass hysteria from not only just the Sikh liberals but also the so-called Panthic Sikhs showed just how far our people had walked blindly into the one way alley of self destruction. The number of "quality not quantity" BS quotes that were in the media was astounding. The Akal Takht Jathedar's statement was attacked from all sides. There was actually even a article in a major newspaper a few years ago which stated that Sikhs should congratulate themselves because by having a lower birth rate they were helping India advance economically!! So the country was advancing economically by stopping the birth of a few lakh of the most economically productive people in the country while the the rest of the country was happily giving birth to 15 million hungry mouths each year! The only parallels we should be taking from the Jews at the moment is from the different reproductive rates in their community. While their liberals who are as brain dead and self destructive as our own are either childless sterile dummies or having one child while their religious Jews such as the orthodox are having 5-6 if not more children. Their demographic profile will change in the next few decades where the orthodox Jews will be the mass majority while the liberal Jews will be as dead as the dodo. This is also what we should be aiming for. As we get more religious, we should be aiming for 4 or more children to each religious Sikh married couple. Let the Ravi Singhs and the Sunny Hundal have one child or none and with each generation let the liberal Sikhs decline while the religious Sikhs expand by leap and bounds. As far as I know Ravi Singh has only one child. a daughter, the irony of the guy who goes out to save the world and yet his male line will die with him. Quite ironic.

Did you actually read the threads on here about why Jaats are coming to Sikhi? Jaats are coming to Sikhi by REJECTING Hinduism.

There is no doubt that Haryanvi Jaats took part in attacks on Sikhs in 1984 but from what I know that vast majority of the violence in Haryana was outside the Jat belt and was along the GT road from Delhi to Punjab. That area has various populations of Punjabi Hindus, Gujjars, Jaats and Tagas etc. Some of the violence in Delhi by Jaats were by supporters of Sajjan Kumar and other Jaat leaders but most was by Congress supporters bringing in lower castes from the slum areas into Delhi and providing them kerosene and voters lists to target Sikh households. I agree that the main priority should be North India. The Hindus of North India are already seeing their areas being taken over by hordes of Muslims from Eastern UP and Bihar/Bengal and Bangladesh. Western UP is close to being lost by them, the Jaats of this area are seeing that they are being swamped. The Muzaffarnagar riots in 2013 were an outburst of emotion against the love Jihad which has being going in that area for years. The farm andolan might have bought the Jaats closer to the Muslim farmers in Western UP but it will just one more love jihad incident by Muslims to ignite the area again.

Muslim Rajputs will never ally with us. They were virtually wiped out in the Malwa in 1947 and they have no affinity with us. If 70 years of Hindu rule in India could not convince the Muslims of India to reconvert back to Hinduism, these people will hardly convert to Sikhism when there is no pressure to. We missed our chance to convert them to Sikhi during the rule of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. At that time they had only been Muslims for a few generations and reconverting them would have been easier. Now there is no hope and any alliance with them would only lead to our weakness. As I wrote above the Jats who have affinity with us are less than a million and in a sea of 200 million people their help if they even chose to help us would be worth nothing. Our aim should be to follow the prophecy of the Uggaradanti which foresaw the supplanting of both Islam and Hinduism in Hindustan (north India) by the Khalsa.

This is untrue. The Pakistan govt if they wanted could have made the Muslim family hand the daughter of the Granthi back, but they did want to do that so they want through the pretence of sending her to an Islamic refuge where each and every functionary would have bullied her and made her believe that if she did not stay with the Muslim then her family would be killed. They then went though the motions of saying that they were following her wish to stay with the Muslim abductor.

Unfortunately we cannot equate Sikhs now with the Sikhs of the 18th century. We have id.iots today falling over each other to build and rebuild Mosques in villages where there are a handful of Muslims. There are over 200 Million Muslims and these haram.zada liberals building Mosques do not realise that when the sh1t hits the fan then just as our id,iocy welcomed the Christian missionaries who were on the run in the rest of India from the Hindutvis and now they are paying us back with conversions of poorer Sikhs, the same will be the case with the Muslims who will flock to Punjab and with their 8-10 kids soon undo the sacrifices that our forefathers made in 1947. Rather than wasting money and resources in trying to curry favour with the Muslims, we should be aiming to take leadership of the Dharmics because the next war will not be an Indo-Pakistan war but a civil war in the cow belt between the Dharmics and the Muslims.

The problem is that unfortunately our people act like emotional fools and with the liberals like Ravi Singh and others going against the Rehat Maryada by allowing Namaz in Gurdwaras we can already see what the limited amount of 'good relationship' leads to. The Muslims will take advantage and any hope of solidarity will be a forlorn hope. Even Imran Khan could not help the family of the Granthi from Nankana Sahib get his daughter back from the clutches of the Muslim who had abducted her. These are people who number 200 Million and yet they cannot give back a Sikh girl to her family even though Sikhs had shown so much support for Muslim women from Kashmir who were in danger in the rest of India. It is always a one way solidarity with them. With regard to the Jats in West Punjab, again this is a forlorn hope. For one, the Jats who have an affinity with us form only a small minority of the Muslim Jats of West Punjab. The majority of the Muslim Jats of West Punjab are not even Jats, they are a mongrel race with various agricultural castes which now call themselves Jats. None of their Gotes are known this side of the border. The ones with affinity with us (Dhillons, Sandhus and Virks etc) are the same people who migrated from East Punjab rather than become Sikhs and stay on on our Punjab. They have already voted with their feet. The small number of Jats who were originally from Lahore-Sheikhupura-Gujranwala area are in no position to help Sikhs. They are miniscule in number and having been Muslim for many generations they have married their chachay taiyae diyan deeiyan and they are degraded in the eyes of both Jat Sikhs and Hindu Jaats.

The Taliban now that they have turned to the country into another Sharia shythole now need the economic acumen of the Sikhs and Hindus to develop the country. Total stupidity by these community leaders. They will never get equal citizenship because that is an impossibility under the Sharia but they will happily sacrifice their own people for some political power. khalsa: Afghan Sikhs, Hindus who were on exile in India meet Taliban dy PM - Times of India (indiatimes.com)

Very true. We cannot underestimate the importance of social media especially in a community like ours who are less likely to read newspapers than others. With social media we instantly get videos of an incident before the govt owned print media or Godi TV channels have a time to frame it into their own narrative. We can just imagine if there had been no video of the beadbi at Harmandir Sahib, the framing would have been that extremist Sikhs have murdered an innocent Hindu and given how a lot of our own people are quite willing to believe the worst about our own people, that narrative would have got a lot of traction. The importance of social media is that people are not liable to be brainwashed by the govt media such as happened in the 1980s. SM also stopped Ranjit Singh who was arrested for attempted murder when the BJP goon were sent to the andolan sites to attack the Kisans from being framed and without SM he would never have got bail. I would be careful with one aspect. Closeness with the Pakistanis can only be detrimental to us. It might help to pi$$ of the RW Hindu and show that we are not brain dead Indian nationalists but with the Pakistanis you cannot play the 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' game. It will always hurt us in the end. The way I look at it is, that the nationalist Indian is our enemy at the moment but the Pakistani is our enemy for all time. The Kartarpur corridor has been an important step in allowing an increasing number of us to visit an important Gurdwara in Pakistan, something that we pray for everyday in our Ardas, but we should not take this as some overwhelming acceptance of us by these people. The way they view us today is the way that Hindus viewed us in 1947 as a people who can be used against the Muslims and once the Muslim threat is over can then be discarded. We need to learn from history otherwise we will be condemned to repeat it. On the Jaat issue, I agree we need to increase our population through parchar as much as we can and we need to increase our reach to people who are both sympathetic to us which includes any Hindu in India and who in future could provide us with more numbers and increased political influence. The way I see it, North India will see a major confrontation and possibly civil war between the Hindus and the Muslims. We can either remain neutral and go full liberal and help those of either side who suffer in which case we will gain nothing and possibly lose Punjab because the Muslims suffering in the cow belt will seek refuge in Punjab and this will only lead to more danger for Punjab as they increase their population and gain more political power with liberal Punjabi politicians giving in to them in the hope for more votes. On the other side we could project ourselves as the hope for North India against increasing Islamification. In a sense we will be going back to what north India was in the period after the founding of the Khalsa and Banda Singh Bahadur when we had the potential if things had gone our way to replacing the Mughal empire with a Khalsa empire by force of arms. We have already seen that the RW Hindu is being increasing divided into those who are quite willing to demonise us and lump us in with the Muslims as a danger to India and those who see that our history and philosophy has the potential to rescue north India from the increasing threat of Islam. We need to play the Dharmic angle because in true Dharma, if today Hindus are 80%, Sikhs 2% there is nothing dangerous in one day Sikhs being 80% and Hindus being 2%. What is interesting is that while we have increasing liberalised our own history trying to present our ancestors as some kind of liberal supermen who were able to secularise Punjab when secularism was unknown to the outside world. But the way the Hindus see us is that we are the descendants of those who were able to successfully stem the tide of Islam (not Islamic invaders) and save north India from Islamification. The truth may lie somewhere in between but it is much more towards the latter than the former. Our ancestors had a no nonsense attitude to Islam, take a Sikh from any time between 1699 to 1980s and they would be astounded at how far we have liberalised ourselves and thus lost any potential to take north India which was always the aim of the Khalsa. This I see as the major danger facing our people. Unless we actively and forcefully negate and ridicule the liberalism that some are espousing in our people we will lose any struggle before we have the chance to take the field. We are witnessing that death of the greatest superpower on the planet through liberalism and woke culture and its supplanting by a rising power that has rejected liberalism and woke culture. The USA will be finished as a superpower not through war but because it willingly allowed itself to be taken over by woke culture. If we allow ourselves to also be taken over by liberalism and woke culture then it doesn't matter whether we are 25 million or 250 million, our destruction as a people of potential will be a certainty.

How the world is changing. The Hindu RW supported Indira Gandhi in the 80s and urged her to attack the Darbar Sahib. Now there are elements within their ranks who are waking up to what the truth is. This guy is extremely anti-Muslim and was involved in the anti-CAA riot in 2020 which managed to stop the protest. The interesting fact here is that the Muslim journalist Alishan Jafri wants to present this statement as being extremist when all he is saying is that Hindus need people willing to defend their temples. The journalist is following the liberal/congress narrative that anyone who supports Santji has to be an extremist and continuing the demonisation of Santji. So much for solidarity.

I don't know what the f you are on about. I usually ignore your posts cos they are mostly gibberish. So i will continue to ignore after this one.

Sharif Abbas found guilty of sexually assaulting teen who injured herself at Bond Street station | Daily Mail Online The sex attacker who posed as a Good Samaritan: Man wearing high-vis vest offered to help injured woman after she fell down Tube station stairs but led to her basement and assaulted her Sharif Abbas, 30, rushed to 'help' the 19-year-old commuter at Bond Street She had suffered a broke wrist and cut to her head during fall at Tube platform Abbas led the injured woman out of the station and into a nearby basement He sexually assaulted her and was found by police with hands under her clothes Abbas claimed he was helping the girl, but was found guilty of sexual assault

You sad loser. A guy in his mid-50s unmarried is like the worst thing in our culture. You claim to be better educated than me which I highly doubt otherwise you would not be the oldest kanjar on the building site. Be honest, what's it like seeing freshies in their 20s come over, do a few years where you work and they set up their own companies while a loser like you can only b.itch about pendoos..lol. You are a joke. So you got another job apart from being a monkey on the building site? Congratulations but I think delivering Dominos in the evenings is hardly something to brag about. So you couldn't get a woman, wow too bad those pendoos you keep b.itching about are all married and have kids. It must have been quite a disappointment to know that your fellow Duggus true to form were more interested in your bank balance and whether you had the latest Mercedes than any positive attributes you might possess. They say everyone has a soul mate, yours probably saw your bootha and ran a mile. Good luck living the chharrah life. Just for you. Chullay Agg Na Gharray Vich Pani Chharrayan Di Joon Buri Oy Rabba Sadi Vi Banay Day Koi Rani. Chharrayan Di Joon Buri

Its just a repeat of the Maur Mandi blast. Disrupt the peace and make the Hindus scared and get their votes for Congress.

I have a wife and kids so I am living the Grehsti jeevan. What about you? No wonder no woman would touch you with a barge pole, a loser like you still working on building sites and watching freshies become builders and setting up their own companies while all you do is bi.tch about them. You might want to bully a woman on the internet but I choose not to.

They were actually founded as a reform movement in Hazro, in the western border areas of Maharaja Ranjit Singh's empire in the early 1800s by Baba Balak Singh who was from the Arora background. Baba Ram Singh was a Malwai from village of Bhaini Rai in Ludhiana district. His background was Tarkhan and he served in the army of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. After the annexation of Punjab, the Namdhari aim was to restore the Khalsa Raj and they were an orthodox Sikh movement. After the British oppressed them and killed Namdharis by standing them in front of cannons, the movement subsided. At the time when they were founded they included a lot of Jats, Khatris and only the minority were Tarkhans. After the movement withered away, the only people left were mainly from the Tarkhan background. During this time a whole host of unorthodox ideas such as Baba Ram singh being the 12th Guru (Baba Balak Singh was 11th Guru) came into their beliefs as well as that Guru Gobind Singh lived on after Nanderh in disguise and visited Hazro to pass on Guruship to Baba Balak Singh. Due to this in the 1930s and 1940s with the foundation of the Akali Dal and SGPC there were active movements to oppose the Namdharis who were referred to as Kukas. There was a famous Kuka Kufr Torh Conference in the early 1940s at Mullahpur Dakha in Ludhiana district presided over by Master Tara Singh. If anyone is interested in the Sikh response to Namdhari beliefs then the famous book Kukian Di Vithia by Ganda Singh available online Kukian di Vithya Vol. 1 - Dr. Ganda Singh : Sikh Digital Library : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

I agree, on the internet no one can know who someone is really. But take her at face value she might be someone who does not have as much knowledge as many on here but the bullies on here just await her next misstep so they can start another round of bullying. If she is as old she says she is then their behaviour is pretty disgusting. These people push people away. She claims to be communicating with a white Dutch guy and trying to interest him in Sikhi, I myself gave my opinion on that and left it at that. Rather than do the same these three-four bullies, one of whom doesn't even have a wife or kids so you can imagine the frustration that guy must have with his own life continue to bully her at every turn.

Interesting survey done in India and sponsored by a German organisation. Could we be turning the corner and becoming more religious and less secular. I have also seen how Sikhs are now getting more religious especially in the west and maybe now the trend is being mirrored in India. 82% Sikh youth pray frequently, highly religious compared to others, shows CSDS-Lokniti survey (theprint.in)

This is why having the Guru Granth Sahib should be restricted and only Gurdwaras should have the Guru Granth Sahib. This bandar seems to got the Guru Granth Sahib from somewhere and he is able to set up his business. Has anyone reported him to Akal Takht? A Hukumnama from there that any marriage conducted by this fraud is not valid should stop his business dead.

The leftist liberals have joined hands with the Hindu RW to demonise Sikhs. In the case of the Kashmiri paedophile they joined hands with the Muslims against Sikhs. The liberals are the biggest danger that Sikhs face at the moment. Amaan Bali has been the most consistent on Panthic issues. The liberals tried to demonise him because he supported Manjinder Singh Sirsa in highlighting the Kashmiri paedophile cases.

Moga, Jagraon and the areas west including Zira and south to Bathinda and Mansa were all a part of the Lakhi jungle where the Khalsa Dal would retire to recoup and unite their forces for the next attack on the Mughals and Afghans. Malwa has a different experience of Mughal persecution. Apart from along the GT road where the govt was strong, in the rural areas the influence of the govt only extended through Muslim chaudharis such as the Manj Rajputs who had villages along the GT road as well as Pathan, Dogar and Gujjar Muslim villages which existed in regular intervals between Jat villages. The Malwa never saw the persecution that the Sikhs of Majha and Doaba faced in which many Sikhs were killed in large numbers by both the Mughal Subedars and the Muslim peasants who would hunt for Sikhs in the areas where Sikhs were sheltering. At one stage the Majha and some areas of Doaba adjacent to it were emptied of Sikhs. The Malwa experience was different because half of the Malwa was under Sikh Chaudhris who had come into Sikhi during Guru Hargobind's parchar tour of Malwa as well as Guru Gobind Singh's stay in Malwa after leaving Anandpur Sahib. These Chaudhris went on to become the states of Patiala, Jind, Nabha and Faridkot. Sikhi grew exponentially in Malwa because unlike Majha and Doaba, it enjoyed a sustained period of relative peace. Malwa also retained the old Chaudhris who were a part of the old order while in Majha and Doaba because these Chaudhris had taken part in the persecution, they were overthrown and new leaders from among the common population came forward to become Misldars. Incidentally Malwa never had a Misl or even Misldars although sometimes the Phulkian chaudhris who became the Malwa Sikh states are included as a Misl they do not meet the definition of what a Misl was. The Majha and a few Doaba areas produced Misldars many of whom set up their own rule in areas of Malwa bordering Lakhi Jungle, the area they knew well due to sheltering there during the Mughal persecution as well as along the GT road towards Delhi. These non-Malwai kingdoms such as Kaithal, Kalsia, Ladwa, Rupar and Buria either lapsed after the failure of a male heir to the British rule or were annexed after the Anglo-Sikh wars. Only Kalsia state survived into 1948 when it became a part of the Patiala and East Punjab states union. Although the Malwa rulers supported the British in the Anglo-Sikh wars, the general Sikh population was on the side of the Lahore Durbar. Many Sikhs especially in the British ruled areas of Malwa like Ludhiana and Ferozpur had historically crossed the Satluj to join the Khalsa army. The famous general Dhanna Singh Malwai was one such person. After his death the Patiala ruler attempted to take over the jagir that Maharaja Ranjit Singh had bestowed him for his service which was resisted by the Lahore Durbar. During the battles along the Satluj while the Muslim villagers supported the British, the Sikh villagers would attack British army stragglers passing through their areas.

Just one important point which needs reiterating. While it is good to get the news out about what has happened, we need to be aware that any footage of a person being beaten by a large number will inevitably cause most people who are unaware of what has being going on since Bagari incidents to sympathise with that person. By all means beat the guy up but only show footage after that if you want to show him accusing the masterminds in Delhi.