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Any Delhi Singhs on this website? If so, maybe you can help us with trying to get funds to the people who need them. With all this jathebhadis set up around the world, does anyone know how a person in UK can give some of his daswand to organisations like this? It's all good and well raising awareness, but if we are expecting a reaction of support than there needs to be more highlighting of ways of supporting families of shaheeds. No one seems to mention these things at the remembrance programmes at Hyde Park or trafalgher square. Anyone able to help?

It's a family mob of criminals, the Dutta family. What happened was not on and justice needs to take it's course. There needs to be support set up for the shaheed's family. But why does the headline need to also highlight a "Hindu" mob? Why doesn't panthic weekly provide us with a route to getting funds to the shaheeds family instead of focusing on headlines like this.

LOL!! Where are all the beadbi police and Akal Takht Maryada implementers?? Has anyone read whats on this website?? Its appauling and a direct manipulation of Sikhism.

The articles relating to the requirement that both the bride and the groom have to be Sikhs to be married by Anand Karj ceremony are already there in the document of Rehat Maryada. To stop the infringement of the articles of Rehat Maryada, no hukamnama needs to be agreed upon all over again. Each Takht Jathedaar can announce measures by himself (without the OK from all other Takht Jathedars) to stop the infringement of Rehat Maryada. Remember, the Articles in Rehat Maryada were formed by Sarab Khalsa The Jathedars are simply seening that the Maryada is being followed. Each Takht and its Jathedar is bound to see that Rehat Maryada is followed. (However, they do overlook occasional infringement). If there are repeated infringements, any one of the Jathedar can issue the type of letter shown there. To avoid making conflicting statements the other Takhts seemed to have given that responsibility to the Sri Akal Takht Sahib. The do not need to get together to issue such a statement. The letter from Sri Akal Takht Sahib reminds all Gurdwaras what the rules are and that these rules should be followed. (However I do note that the Jathedar did not say what the punishment would be if the Rehat Maryada is not followed. In deciding the punishment, perhaps he would feel more comfortable if all the Jathedars decide that collectively) So there in no need to have a document in the form of Hukamnama. The Hukamnamma in the form of Rehat Maryada articles already exists. This letter by Jathedar Vidanti, is making the people that are conducting the Anand Karj ceremony aware of its existence Regarding including the Kaur or Singh in the name, this requirement has been followed by SGPC and DGMC (at the recommendation of the Takhat Jathedars; I assume), to certify a person that he/she is a Sikh ( in addition to making a statement that he/she is a follower of Sri Guru Granth Sahib and the other things required of a Sikh) This is currently being followed when a candidate is seeking admission to the Sikh minority professional college run by SGPC and DGMC. So I assume that it could have been agreed upon sometime back and most Sikhs may not be aware of it. . I totally agree with the top part of the letter being a re-itteration of Rehit Maryada. The letter then moves into the realms of proving your Sikhi via your official documents. The only way that can be policed if all bride and grooms produce their documents at Gurdwaras. However this is not a sign of being Sikh, that is by deed and action and physical apperance. It is hard to believe that one Jatherdar will take such a major decision about how Sikhs identify themselves without consultation. There is no doubt the beadbi of the Anand Karaj is big problem. However the beadbi is our making and needs real fixes rather than passports and driving licences. I agree that a Jathedar can release letters educating people on Rehit Maryada but they cannot make statements about proving your Sikh status with passports and driving licences without the agreement of the Panth. Proving your Sikhi with official documents is no small decision and it does not exist in practice (expect in a college to get entrance). Vendanti's letter has no value and is being manipulated as a protocol.

This is not a royal order. Its a letter from Vedanti, which is being sold as a hukamnama. When did a passport or driving licence become a document from which we can be confident that someone is a Sikh? Forget about amrit,all you need is a passport with Singh as a middle name and you are Sikh, can it get any easier?

Waheguru Jee Dear akaash (singh or Kaur) Jee , when a AkaalTakht Jathedar send a hukumnama it is pass by everyone before its send out it is NOT “a one man decision” or even the AkaalTakht Jathedar send this Hukumnama it is a official document for the sikh. Look and find out the definition of AkaalTakht Jathedar. If Guru Gobind Singh Jee comes himself, you are not going to be happy and say it’s only one Guru all the ten guru should be there . If you have a problem with the Hukumnama then question the Akaal Takht Waheguru jee Brother, firstly this is not a hukamnama. It does not have the official seal of Sri Akal Takht. Secondly the text of the hukamnama will specify the point that if anyone goes against this matta then they will be subject to a sentence from the Akal Takht. Also hukamnamas will have the text that 5 Singh Sahibs have agreed to this. Also this is not a Sandesh because that will always reaffirm Sikh Rehit Maryada or give a time day location of the Panj Jathedar decision. This letter is contradictory as the first part is like a reiteration of Rehit Mayada were only a Sikh can marry a sikh, but then to prove you are a sikh with official documentation, when was that introduced? It affects the Worldwide Sikh Population. The biggest impact being in Punjab. It is a baseless letter. Even Akal Takht have a protacol. Thats all I am highlighting, nothing has been adhered to in this letter. To change you name by deed can be done over the internet: http://www.deedpoll.org.uk/ "Applying for your Deed Poll could not be easier. You can apply online, by post, by telephone or call in to our offices at Freebournes Court, Witham, Essex where you can collect or drop off your application forms or use our one-hour premium service" Its not really a difficult thing to change your name and then change again after the job's done.

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This one paragraph letter from Vedanti is not worth the paper its printed on. This "matta" has not got the approval of the Panj Takht Jathedars, has not been agreed by the Akal Takht Panj Pyare and is in complete contradiction to Rehit Maryada documentation. For this to be a valid prerequiste for marriage then everyone will have to take amrit before an anand karaj. Even those who are amritdhari because there is no evidence for then being Sikh. Being Sikh is not identified by your passport LOL its the roop and jeevan Guru Gobind Singh has precribed. Read the Rehit Maryada document. If the passport has Singh or Kaur but the bride or groom trim their hair, doesn’t that go against the Akal Takht Rehit Maryada aswell?? The Akal Takht Maryada of agreeing and passing resolutions is not a one man decision. The letter would have refered to the document or article within the Rehit Maryada where it has been decided that Singh/Kaur on a driving license or passport is required, or it will refer to the day and time when the 5 Jathedars met and the agreed outcomes from that meeting.

Present the evidence and the police will act. Rumours and hearsay are not evidence. Its time for the Gurdwara lecturers to present facts to government authorities. unfortunatley its never that simple, imagine if your a girl who hs been drugged and pictures have been taken , you are told that if you do not do what they say they will post your pictures and videos on the internet and to all your friends and family , woul dyou stroll down to the police station ??? how much besti is that ??? It's pyschplogical manipulation. This is one kind scenario, what about others? Its about gathering evidence. Police have dealt with many similar cases outside of this conversion issue. They can handle issues sensitively. Once police have gathered evidence they will persue cases themselves.

Present the evidence and the police will act. Rumours and hearsay are not evidence. Its time for the Gurdwara lecturers to present facts to government authorities.

Sikhism is unique. It doesnt need a critique with other religions. Who can you compare Guru Granth Sahib Ji to?? Dharam isnt a brand label.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/6686539.stm Taxi driver Gian Chand Bajar was run over by his own vehicle Arrest after taxi driver killing A man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after the death of a Kent taxi driver who was run over by his own cab. Police were called to St Benedicts Avenue, in Gravesend, on Wednesday night after reports Gian Chand Bajar, 71, had been assaulted and run over. The taxi was later found abandoned after it had been set alight in nearby Truro Road. Officers said a 20-year-old man from the Gravesend area was arrested on Thursday afternoon. Earlier, police said they had not ruled out whether the murder of Mr Bajar, who lived locally, was racially motivated. Mr Bajar, who was married with five children, has been described as a loved and well respected member of the Sikh community. His son, Telu Bajar, 35, of Darnley Road, Gravesend, described his father as "a pillar of the community". He said: "He had very high morals and was very trusted by the people in our area. We're devastated. It was a cruel and callous crime. "He sadly had his retirement cut short which deprived his family of a loving, caring father and grandfather." Mr Bajar worked on a self-employed basis for Saturn Taxis in Gravesend. Alan Meen, who lives in St Benedicts Avenue, was one of the first on the scene just after 2200 BST on Wednesday, and said he found Mr Bajar with "burn marks" on his arms from the car's exhaust. 'Quiet area' "I put some blankets over him, put a blanket underneath his head, and waited for the ambulance," he recalled. Another resident, George Tarling, 70, said the area was "generally very quiet" with no major crime problems. "But I have heard of people asking taxi drivers to drop them off round here and then making a run for it without paying," he said. The local Conservative MP for Gravesham, Adam Holloway, urged the killer to surrender to police. "That person should be in custody as soon as possible. "If you are the <banned word filter activated> that did this, you better go to the cops right now." 'Shock and anger' In the wake of the killing, taxi drivers held a meeting with local police to highlight concerns about their safety. Bruce Parmenter, Liberal Democrat parliamentary spokesman for Gravesham and a taxi driver for 11 years, said there had been two attacks on drivers in St Benedicts Avenue in the past 18 months. "My opinion is that this was a tragic incident that was bound to happen because police are not tackling crime. "I'm sorry to say that this murder was not unexpected... there is shock, anger and disbelief among taxi drivers around here today," he said. Taxi drivers will be balloted on industrial action with a view to striking next weekend if 100% of those who take part support a walkout. Ch Supt Gary Beautridge appealed for witnesses and said the murder was a matter for the police to resolve. "This is not an issue where individuals or groups should take the law into their own hands," he said.

Puts things into perspective.

What about cults like Namdharis. They have being claiming to be the Guru for years. They have books, pictures and ideology all trying to prove SGGS is not Guru!! What about them??

I have only one question Why havent Admin closed or deleted this thread like the others? Now I if I name ring leaders like Tarsem Singh & sanghera singh, also Joga Singh and I bet that will wake admin up!! Interesting articles about what Babbar get up to below, similar to money laundering wouldnt you say? http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1706145.cms http://www.tribuneindia.com/2001/20010503/main4.htm