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I have been collecting facts about the fate of Sikhs in Pakistan, and see a rising trend of anti-Sikh elements. 19 February 2003 – A 6 years old Sikh girl, Harvinder Kaur was kidnapped and converted. May 2008 - Pakistan lone Sikh police officers quits after harassments by fellow and senior officers. His turban was removed at one instance, and he was often made fun of. 16 April 2009 - The homes of ten Sikh familees were vacated by Taliban. 30 April 2009 - Taliban militants demolished 11 homes of Sikhs in Orakzai tribal region after they failed to pay 'jiziya' of Rs. 50 million. 5 September 2009 - Birs of Guru Granth Sahib burnt at Guru Nanak Darbar at Kandhkot. No case was registered. Later a panel was ordered to probe into the matter, with no effective results. 24 September 2009 - A group destroyed the building of the Gurdwara Kiara Sahib on 24 September. The police didn’t register any case. 29 November 2009 - A Sikh advocate, Anup Singh was kidnapped and mercilessly beaten and threatened with dire consequences recently if he did not convert to Islam. I collected all info I have found over months, and as a conclusion I can say the rate of crimes against Sikhs are rising and frequenter. Do something Khalsa Ji. WJKK WJKF Ji

There are many bachchans by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. But in which puratan granths/books can I find them? Inn puttran ke sees par, vaar diye sutt chaar. Chaar muay to kya huaa, jeevat kaee hazaar. ਰਹਿਤ ਪਿਆਰੀ ਮੁਝੱ ਕੋ। ਸਿੱਖ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਨਹੀਂ Rehat Pyari Mujhko Sikh Pyara Nahi In Gareeb Sikhan Ko, (Main) Deeo Paatshahi, Yeh Yaad Rahey, Hamri Guriaee. Thanks in advance, WJKK WJKF Ji

Basant Ki Vaar - Takes 1-2 mins Salok Mahalla 9 - Takes 8-10 mins Chaubole Mahalla 5 - 2-3 mins Ramkali Ki Vaar - Takes 5-7 mins Barah Maha Tukhari - Takes 6-8 mins Salok Mardana - Takes 2 mins Hope it helped... WJKK WJKF Ji

I have been following this fight for a long time now (on this site, youtube, other Punjabi sites, etc). I think none of them is right. Babbu Mann could have been more specific (because I felt he wanted to say about Gurmeet Ram Rahim, but then he added the ' dholkian chimtey' bit, and I was confused). But Bhai Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwala isn't right either. Theek, he is doing nice parchaar, but doesn't make his opinion THE truth. Monna's aren't part of the 'wider' Sikh Panth? If not, then why are Udasis, etc considered Sikh by the oldest Jathebandis in Sikhi? Why can't a Monna speak up against issues? I respect a monna (not Babbu, just a monna who has sharda for Sikhi) more than these so-called Sikh like Sukhbir Badal (ohhh he is amritdhari...), and pakhandi saadhs, nangs etc. Has anyone tried to understand what Babbu Mann tried to say? He meant that today we are giving more importance to PAKHAND rather than doing the REAL PARCHAR. 'Baba Nanak Ne Turke Duniya Gaahti' is not to be taken literally. Guru Nanak Sahib also used boats etc during their udasis, so it isn't bad to use something for transport. BUT how is having several cars justified to do PARCHAR? 1 or 2 cars are enough... And WHY in gods name have they to be one of the latest models? But lets implement in our lives what Guru Nanak Sahib Maharaj Ji said; ~~ Ham Nahi Changae, Bura Nahi Koe ~~ ( I am not good, no one is bad ) WJKK WJKF Ji

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Full support to Babbu Mann. I particularly like 'Ik Baba Nanak Si' WJKK WJKF

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Right... Do you take that literally or do you know that Gurbani uses "metaphors" at times? There are so many Shaheeds that weren't cut piece by piece... Or even in a battle field for that matter. Bhai Sati Das and Bhai Dyal Das were cut piece by piece? Were they martyred in a battlefield? But still they are Shaheed. They FEARLESSLY accepted Death instead of giving up SIKHI, THATS what the shabad is about. Means EVEN if you get cut piece by piece (a kahavat as they say in Punjabi) you won't leave the battlefield... When you go into a battlefield, you are also committing suicide in a way... When all those Puratan Singhs were given the choice to leave Sikhi/embrace Islam and Death, they choose Death, that is suicide...? Well, the battle in or after 1984 was not the same as in Guru Ji's times or Baba Banda Singh Bahadur's times. Shaheed Sukhdev Singh Jhamke fought bravely in his last encounter, but he had only one bullet left. He shot himself in the head... It takes one courage to do that, don't you think so? He knew he would be tortured, and would (unwillingly) give out some plans... So he did himself, what the police was going to do... WJKK WJKF Ji

sarpanch saab what is sikh freedom ??? just do me a favor a very small favor translate a part of his song for if u can from his pro sikh movie hawayean ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3TfkXeut_8 forward the song to 2:40 let me write the song for you kavan ve sun kavan ve main vari des toon javan mirchan varro haniyo fer jhalan na desh havawan sadda punjab manna sada kashmir hoye ek inch chad na ni khich ti lakir hoye haddon par atvad pau band karna hun naio sarna bi hun naio sarna load pay gayi desh layi has ke jaan we waranga pab chakde manak nall gabru ho put sardaran de 1.Is it pro sikh or pro indian song? 2.Whome he is refering to atvad (terrorism) in his song 3.Is it sikh flag or indian flag in the background do translate that song first and lets see what is sikh freedom struggle ... thank you Double check your facts before posting them, that song is NOT in Hawayein. WJKK WJKF

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Interesting views... But I was thinking Bhai Sahib... If everything happens due to Waheguru's Hukam, then isn't suicide/consuming cyanide a Hukam aswell? I mean it gets confusing here, doesn't it? Yes I'm sure of having read it some time back. Baba Ji was sad about this practise, and also said these practises belong to Tamil Tigers and other stuff. And it is indeed quite interesting, since own of his own lieutenants consumed cyanide during the Operation Black Thunder (Surjit Singh Penta). WJKK WJKF Ji

My Community - SIKH / KHALSA Normal Marrying Age (Male)- whenever one is mature enough to commit oneself to that sacred relationship Normal Marrying Age (Female)- whenever one is mature enough to commit oneself to that sacred relationship WJKK WJKF

Waheguru Waheguru How can we turn a blind eye to this? Waheguru Waheguru

I respect the forum guidelines, so I won't post anything "provocative" about Dasam Granth. Anyone is free to talk on msn, and can later post it anywhere. WJKK WJKF Ji

Start doing Naam Simran and atleast one Japji Sahib a day. We bow to Guru Granth Sahib, our Guru. Do you think we bow to the cover? No we bow to our Guru, the SHABAD GURU. Shabad Guru gives updesh to humanity. It guides us from being a Manmukh to become a Gurmukh. If I find any page with GurBani on it (like newspapers) I also treat it with respect. Guru Raam Das Ji Maharaj says: ਬਾਣੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਬਾਣੀ ਵਿਚਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਸਾਰੇ ॥ Baṇī gurū gurū hai baṇī vicẖ baṇī amriṯ sāre. The Word, the Bani is Guru, and Guru is the Bani. Within the Bani, the Ambrosial Nectar is contained. ਗੁਰੁ ਬਾਣੀ ਕਹੈ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਜਨੁ ਮਾਨੈ ਪਰਤਖਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਿਸਤਾਰੇ ॥੫॥ Gur baṇī kahai sevak jan mānai parṯakẖ gurū nisṯāre. ||5|| If His humble servant believes, and acts according to the Words of the Guru's Bani, then the Guru, in person, emancipates him. ||5|| A nice article on Shabad Guru, Surat Dhun Chela. http://www.sikhreview.org/april2002/philo.htm Still "just can't do it"? Go to Gurdwara Sahib, matha tekh to our Guru, ask them to bless you with understanding and Sikhi jeevan. Do some seva also. Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF Ji

As far as I know, Neeldharis are offshoots of Namdharis, but they claim original Namdharis used to wear blue instead of white. They are anti Panthic, as they bow to some Sant before Guru Maharaj. They have many Karam Kaand rituals like doing arti of Guru Granth Sahib with fire, marriages around fire instead of Guru Ji (havan)... You can see in their "satsangs" all of them wear blue dastaars and mostly white clothes. WJKK WJKF Ji

Rehatnama of Bhai Chaupa Singh also strictly instructs that one shouldn't write Gurbani just for the purpose of selling it. WJKK WJKF Ji

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Amazing posts bro... Agree wholeheartedly... Real nice step. Keep it up. WJKK WJKF Ji

First of all, I respect all SHAHEEDS. I have pics of Puratan and Vartmaan Shaheeds on my walls, computer, all over. So don't say I'm trying to slander any shaheed... My question is: What is Sangats veechar on recent Kharku Freedom Fighters taking cyanide before getting caught and getting Shaheed? I think we have to keep in mind, that they will be tortured, unwillingly could disclose some plans etc, and eventually killed in fake encounters or capital punishment. Because I realised that even some Singhs in the movement were against this practice, Shaheed Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochal being one of them... WJKK WJKF Ji

I have often heard and read about Baba Deep Singh Ji transliterating SGGS Maharaaj to Arabic and sending it to the Middle East, for the Sikhs living in those areas. Has anyone got more info on it? Like its history, to which country in Middle East it was sent, is it in any museum of the Middle East (I have heard its in a museum in Baghdad, Iraq)? Any puratan source mentioning Baba Ji writing an Arabic bir? WJKK WJKF Ji

We should be careful about what we say when we bring Guru Ji into the discussion. We end up using our opinions on the actions of our Guru Sahibaan to defend our own Mat and lines of thought, which we then use to beat other people with. How do you know if our Gurus had Daya for Masands or not? Gurbani actually says very clearly that Guru Ji and true Sikhs have compassion for everyone, and see Guru Sahib in everyone. When justice needs to be served it is served, and Guru Gobind Singh Ji was a great example of this. However, as Japji Sahib says, there is no use in pretending to know the intention of Guru Ji because we would be doomed to failure even if we tried. There is a fine balance between universal compassion and the need for justice to be served. I'm not qualified to write on that topic but I'd emphasise that it's not as clearcut as we might think. vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh Hmmm... Are we Buddhists? Are we Jains? Comeon we are the KHALSA... Are we supposed to throw flowers on the enemy in battle field because we have to practise Daya? How do you know Guru Ji DID have Daya for the masands? If it was that case Guru Ji would have tell them to go away or simple beating by Sikhs. But no, they got BURNT ALIVE on Guru Ji's Hukam. Anyone daring to play with Sikhs, Sikhi or Sikh Kaum will be punishes, wheter here or in Narak. My point was that NINDAKS have the right to be killed by GurSikhs as shown in history. Because nowadays some people even think the killing of Indira Gandhi, Arjan Dass, Lalit Maken, CM Beant Sinh etc is wrong. Waheguru Amazing quote veer. WJKK WJKF Ji

Caveman, are you really from Jalwehra? Babbar Akalis were chardikalla Gurmukhs. Remembering reading how one of them blow himself up after he was caught. Dhan Hai Guru, Dhan Hai Us Di Sikhi. WJKK WJKF Ji

Daya? Did Guru Gobind Singh have Daya for masands? It is obvious that Guru Ji ordered them to be burnt alive. Whoever dares to challenge Sikhi and Sikh Kaum will perish... AKAAAALLLLL WJKK WJKF Ji