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Very few people know that Kashmiri sikhs were converted from PANDITS but they never follow brahmanical practices never go to devi place very devoted gursikhs they have surnames such as sudan, kaul etc but very devoted towards GURU JI. Their origin comes from Pandit Kirpa RAM who led the deputation to 9TH GURU.who on baisakhi 1699 left VEDIC RLIGION and annonced it and became singh. Now named KIrpa Singh that great singh attained martydom along with SAHIBZADA AJIT SINGH.Sikhs of Punjab should learn from them none of them is the supporter of RSS not even a single of them go to any dehdharis but these r neglted by their own brethen most of them r engaed in either hotel and tranport bussiness but majourity of them r members Indian ARMED forces as it is their only source of livlihood.They r perhaps most handsome persons in india as well as physically sound. But due movement in Kashmir and as members of indian army they r soft targets for both militants and indian forces .

In Rataul fighting more than 100 troops dead one was major, and 2 other officers it is cosisdered as the most difficult gunbattle ever fought.

He was the biggest traitor of the panth on the one hand he was leading the morcha on the other hand he was also planning the killing of BHINDERAWALE SANT JI, he knew about the army action before hand and used to call sant ji as chambal da sant. He is not alone others fake sants also sided with invaders.That is why he was taken out safely along with tohra.

No brother I did not watch the video but I have seen and watched the khali wife interview in ZEE NETWORK in INDIA 2 weeks back where there were pictures of KHALI with noormehalis and when he won the title the noormehalis garlanded him. Here I want to mention one very interesting fact that 4 years back at PHILLAUR Punjab Police training school, the some of the trainers used to carry recruits to the noormehal dera and some of the policemen were involed in first attack on a sikh preacher in Phillaur who was thrown into burning flames in 2002 or 3 along with his wife I do not know the year. After this his chelas used to distribute the literature but some sikh recruits resisted the anti sikh propaganda and a armed clash was averted by the officers by shifting some pro noormehali trainers this was repoted in INDIAN EXPRESS in 2004 and officer incharge DIG also admited it.during the same year a AMRITDHARI SIKH was beaten to death in a village near TARNTARN VILLAGE but police hushed it up by calling it a case of sucide but a close relative of the victim a NIHANG SINGH caught the main person behind the gresome killing in village bus stand and choped off the head of that guilty man who also worked as RAGI in SGPC run GURDWARA such is state of panthic affairs this incident was reported in small columbs so none took note of it.

The mahasa by the id name of pappi bharmin and rahul along with lahoria is spreading hatred and disgracing the GURU JI . God forbids if these mahsas come accross true sikhs they will know taste of khalsai teghas

Noormehalias r spreading their poison they r not only have political leaders as their chelas but celebrties like WWE WRESTLER DALIP SINGH RANA KNOWN BY RING GREAT KHALI is also his chela his wife openly admitted in zee t.v and same channel has shown pictures of khali with Autoush along with his wife.his wife is also diehard follower of noormehilas. noormehlia preacher also confirmed it.

Actualy about Bhagat Singh what Mann said was right but way of saying was very crude this is not fault of Mann as he spoke like a police officer even entering politics he acts like a policeman this is the fault of Mann. Why Bhagat Singh is more glorified when others sikhs like Banta Singh and Santa Singh of Babbar AKALIS made more sacrifices. For example SAnta singh ESCAPED from Port Blair jail 7 times in that jail even in 24 hours spirit used to be broken and indian prisoners used to become touts of british this happened with sarvakar. Bengali extremists like Surya Sen , Khuddi Ram role model was banda singh bahadur this was in the book writen by R.C MAZUMDAR TITLED FREEDOM MOVEMENT OF INDIA IN 4 volumes . The bhagat Singh was glorified as he cutt his hair. Why Bengali fighters were ignored.

Police is denying burning of effigy but THE TRIBUNE HAS CONFIRMED IT Police say they just burned the photos of sant jee and identified them as Gagan dip singh gogi others as harish singla and Rakesh atwal although they were 12 . News headlines is shiv sena leaders held. in 2004 and 2005 these hooligans blankened the posters of sant jee during GALLUGHARA WEEK IN JUNE in BANGA and PATIALA PAWAN GUPTA IS THEIR LEADER A SUPPORTER OF BADAL GROUP.

O n12th decmber at 2.30 12 shiv sainiks burned photograhs of SANT JARNAIL SINGH BHANDRAWALE in RAJPURA ROAD OUTSIDE THE HANUMAN MANDIR. This is direct threat to sikhi this news was in tribune .3 of them r arrested others r still at large.

VEER JI they just first stated the one line from GRANTH SHAIB WHERE THE EXAMPLE OF RAVAN IS GIVEN BUT RAMCHANDER IS NEVER GLORIFIED. THEN THEY STARTED KIRTAN IN SIKH Raga FORM THAT VACHAN DI KHATTER RAJ THUKRAYA after this they stated glorifying ramchandera while quoting gurbani cleverly concealing their manmat in very very clever manner that during dusshera is another big manmat . but unfortunately some members started defending the ragis instead cotradicting me.tell me on hindu festivel glorlifying a methlogical individual is manmat or not. Apart from this on festival of karvachauth katha from GURDWARA WERE DONE TO KEEP FAST ON KARVACAUTH ALSO MANY GURSIKHS HAVE RAISED OBECTIONS. I HAVE ALREADY THE MENTIONED THE MANMATS. ANOTHER BIG BEADBI OF GURGHAR IS DONE IN KOLLKOTTA DURING DEVALI THAT BEADBI IS A MODEL OF DURBAR SHAIB IS MADE AND THEN A IDOL OF DURGA IS PLACED INSIDE THE MODEL THIS PRACTICE IS DONE SINCE2003 AND IS GOING TO BE DONE ON THIS DEVALI ALSO. SEE KIRTAN IN PRAISE OF RAMCHANDER IN THIS PRESPECTIVE THEN IT IS CLEAR FANATIC HINDU BODIES ARE IMPLEMENTING THEIR AGENDA FEARLESSLY WE WILL NOT BE SURPRISED IF IN FUTURE WE WILL IDOLS INSTEAD OF GRANTH SHAIB IN DURBAR SHAIB. SORRY i missed some words from the last line it was we will not be surprised if in futre we will idols in DURBAR SHAIB INSTEAD OF GRANTH SHAIB. AND IN MANY GURDWARAS IN PUNJAB ON EVE OF KARVACAUTH GRANTHIS TOLD THE SANGAT THAT LADIES SHOULD KEEP FAST FOR LONG LIFE OF THEIR HUSBANDS.

VEER JI they just first stated the one line from GRANTH SHAIB WHERE THE EXAMPLE OF RAVAN IS GIVEN BUT RAMCHANDER IS NEVER GLORIFIED. THEN THEY STARTED KIRTAN IN SIKH Raga FORM THAT VACHAN DI KHATTER RAJ THUKRAYA after this they stated glorifying ramchandera while quoting gurbani cleverly concealing their manmat in very very clever manner that during dusshera is another big manmat . but unfortunately some members started defending the ragis instead cotradicting me.tell me on hindu festivel glorlifying a methlogical individual is manmat or not. Apart from this on festival of karvachauth katha from GURDWARA WERE DONE TO KEEP FAST ON KARVACAUTH ALSO MANY GURSIKHS HAVE RAISED OBECTIONS. I HAVE ALREADY THE MENTIONED THE MANMATS. ANOTHER BIG BEADBI OF GURGHAR IS DONE IN KOLLKOTTA DURING DEVALI THAT BEADBI IS A MODEL OF DURBAR SHAIB IS MADE AND THEN A IDOL OF DURGA IS PLACED INSIDE THE MODEL THIS PRACTICE IS DONE SINCE2003 AND IS GOING TO BE DONE ON THIS DEVALI ALSO. SEE KIRTAN IN PRAISE OF RAMCHANDER IN THIS PRESPECTIVE THEN IT IS CLEAR FANATIC HINDU BODIES ARE IMPLEMENTING THEIR AGENDA FEARLESSLY WE WILL NOT BE SURPRISED IF IN FUTURE WE WILL IDOLS INSTEAD OF GRANTH SHAIB IN DURBAR SHAIB.

Dear brother do not take just one perspective that other messengers also believed in one god where did any one of them have mentioned the ekonkar secondly there message was more religious and they fellowed their own evil customs did not dare to change it as they feared that they may loss mass apeal, for example why did Ramchander first asked for agni pariksha of sita why did not he himself gave the same secondly he was so weak that he has to leave his wife in advanced stage of pregnency so to appese the people who were wrong another example of sanatan cotradiction was a incident when siva cutt off the head of ganesh why did parvati threatened to destroy the world why did had to kill innocent people. u r again wrong why there is worship of shivling and loni u call it worship of god? even Prophept Mommamad did not dare to change the arbian custom of slavery of human beings. paticularily sexual abuse of women in event of war just legalised children born out of this sex abuse u can go through the muslim personal . Farid, kabir did not try and attemped to create the new and free social order yes ravidass did give the concept of BEGUMPURA. GURU NANAK DEV JI NOT ONLY CHANGED SOCIAL ORDER BUT DESTRROYED THE EVIL CUSTOMS LIKE SATI, SLAVERY AND ALSO ADVOCATED FOR FIRST AND GLORIFIED DIGNITY OF LABOUR BY THE TERM OF KIRAT KARO, WAND CHAKO,AND INTRODUCED LANGAR SYSTEM BASED ON EQUAITY HE DID AND SUCEEDED IN CREATING CIVILISED SOCIAL ORDER . DID KRINSNA ASKED HIS WIVES NO TO COMMIT SATI IN EVENT OF HIS DEATH answer is no. SO SIKH GURUS ARE FIRST AND FREEDOM FIGHTERS AND TRUE REVOLTIONARY IN PRACTICAL MANNER.

thanx A LOT BROTHER but the problem is most of the sikhs r not aware of real danger of RSS and its sister organisations as it has many facea like ABVP the student wing DURGA VAHINI women wing BHARAT VIKAS PARISHAD SOCIAL ACTION GROUP. BHARAT VIKAS PARISHAD is having its branches allover punjab including rural areas this organisation do social work to gain popularity and gets funds from the common sikhs on the name of social work once I got their megazine it was full of disgraceful writings about the sikh gurus.Many serving and retired officials and judges r its members among them r KPS GILL, RS BEDI air marshall, P.C DOGRA, among others. P.C Dogra even advocated raising of hindu terorrist gangs to kill sikhs and muslims.

I do take regularily take the hukum yes I DO NOT READ GRANTH SHAIB KANTH but I CAN MAKE OUT WHAT IS IN granth shaib. BUT CAN DO NITNEM OF MOST BANIS KANTH.

- The name is Harmandar Sahib ( Not Hari Mandir). I have noted on the other-hand, that it is the “Hindu” media are the ones which mis-spell Harmandar as “Hari Mandir” - Every gurdwara has a Darbar (Darwar) Sahib. Darbar Sahib comes into being when, on a specially prepared place, the parkash of Siri Guru Granth Sahib is done. SachKhand part of the Harmandar Sahib complex is not the only place where Darbar Sahib is in the complex. There is also a Darbar Sahib in the Akal Takht within that complex. However, it so happens that because of the importance of the Harmandar Sahib to Sikhism , the place has also come to be known as “The” Darbar Sahib. Calling Harmandar Sahib as “the” Darbar Sahib is in no way related to the association or dissociation of Sikhism with Hinduism. -Theology of Sikhism is different from that of Hinduism. It has been so right from Guru Nanak. So articulating it clearly as different from Hinduism should not make you so nervous. Sikhism did not come out of Hindu “thought”. Sikhism is based on that which was “revealed” to Guru Nanak. ( By the times of Guru Nanak the Hindu thought was fully developed. So what would have been the purpose of God to reveal the Hindu thought again ). Sikhism is not a midpoint between Hinduism and Islam either. Neither it was a “movement” to reform Hinduism. Sikhism is based upon the revelation to Guru Nanak of the “Truth” about the universe and how Human being relate to Formless entity (Nirankar). It totally rejects that deities are being gods and it rejects “Human gods” like Ram of Ayudhia. Guru Nanak wrote in the terminology of religion that was being used in those days to convey his message. The reference to Ram in Siri Guru Granth Sahib appears many times to point out that Ram of Ayudhia is not “God” and that if one insists on calling Ram as God it should be thought as the same entity as is Narankar ( formless) not that Ram who lived in Ayudhia. That Ram died like all other human beings and therefore is “NOT GOD”. So don’t get too worried about it either. Sikhs are not going to remove that reference to Ram as it is there to remind people that the theology of Sikhism is different from that of Hinduism. Thank you for your reply Mohan Singh. Guru Nanak Ji's thoughts and beliefs were prevailent prior to Guru Nanak Ji's times as well. Tha Bhakti movement can be traced hundreds of years priro to Guru Ji. That is why we have bani's of Farid Ji, Kabir Ji and other bhakats in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. These bhagats were around prior to Guru Nanak Ji. Guru Nanak Ji togeter with his own revelations put these thoughts together and set in motion what is Sikhism. Re Ram, Hari etc. I know these words refer to the one God, not to ramchandar or other Hindu characters. My point was that these are words undoubtedly have Hindu connotatitions - and it seems that today anything associated with Hinduism is demonised and in fact insulted. Soon these Sikh extremists will want to change the names of Guru Arjun Ji, Guru Ram Das Ji, Guru Har Krishan Ji, Guru Gobind Singh Ji because they all refer to Hindu historical characters. Re Harimandir or Harmandar. Even if we take the latter spelling HAR means God Mandar means ? please tell me To me it does not matter if we call the Golden Temple - Harmandar, Harimandir or Darbar Sahib. As we all know some say ram ram and some kudha - all the same. Fateh. Dear brother first I want to correct u regarding BHAKTI MOVEMENT . Guru Nanak dev ji had no link with bhakti movement as it was a reforms movement. Guru Nanak Dv Ji created a new thought and new order.I t is true some selected banis of bhagats have been included not whole writings the reason is sikhism believes in ONE ALMIGHTY EKONKAR.Guru Nanak Dev ji was a REVOLTIONARY IN PRACTICE AND FIRST FREE DOM FIGTER IN HUMAN HISTORY. As hindu minded scholars call it bhagati movement falsely. Why guru ji was a freedom fighter and revolnary the answer is guru created a new order changing social structure and seeked and got freedom from social, economic and culutral freedom and paved the way for political freedom.Leftists calls MARX as a revotionary but he in practice was quite oposite was a paper tiger that is one of the reason for failure of communist regimes.Guru Nanak dev ji freed the people from religious slavery also.Bhagati movement seeked reforms only not the change. As far hindu link r concerned first find the true meaning of word of hindu .It was writen in hindu texts that vishnu raped the wife of king jalandhar then fell in love for her who commited sucide and saligram was created in memory of this shameful act. Same vishnu is called hari by brahmins and worshipped if u r referring to it then u r going againist sikhism as sikhi teaches respect to women even she belongs to enemy camp.

See brother it is not the first time sancity of DURBAR SHAIB has been violated. 2 years back some scientists removed branches from DUKHBHANJANI BERI and studied it and strated growing same tree in the new mandir at vellore and at tripati. Apart from this some water from SARVOVAR was also shifted to hindu mandir ponds as trree and SAROVAR was found to contain some extraordinary healing properties during lab tests this was reported in HT last year THE SGPC was feeling proud of it.

GURU JI was againist avtarvad and further GURU JI held position of sikhs even superior to HIMSELF there r many incidents from GURU NANAK DEVI TO GURU GOBIND SINGH JI where sikh was given higher position than the guru. GURU NANAK DEV JI GAVE GURGADDI TO LEHNA A SIKH and GURU GOBIND SINGH TOOK AMRIT FROM PANJ PYRAAS apart from it there r many examples . Why we keep KARAH PRASAD FOR PANJ PYRAAS ANSWER IS GURU GOBIND SINGH JI HAS GIVEN SOUL OF GURU TO GRANTH SHAIB AND PHYSICAL FORM TO GURU PANTH. So GURU GRANTH AND GURU PANTH R INTEGRAL TO EACH-OTHR.SIKH MEANS DISCPLINE OF ALMIGHTY IDENTITY IS KHALSA WHICH IS AKAL PURKAKH KI FAUJ.

First tell the members whether hindu word exists in old hindu text or not and true meaning of hindu rather the hindu fanatics r the biggest fascist organisation in world known as RSS only one to follow hitler idelogy. Sikhs cannot be fascists rather SARPANCH like a true sikh is fighting the fascists.GURU NANAK DEV JI refused to wear zanue and rejected karamkand associated with marriageand introduced seperate ceromony of marriage will u call THE GURU JI ALSO FASCIST. See before 1920 hindu minded Mahants who was managing the GURDWARAS used to exploit the sikh women instead of keeertan during BAISAKHI in amritsar lewd songs used to be sung according to state police reports this festival used to be festival of anti-social people.and idols of hindu gods used to be worshipped in every histroric place before harping on hindu sikh link go through the history of akali morchas.Do u want same practice to be reintroduced. badal and co is doing the same thing.

But now they have modern arms and they (rss) exibited in Ludihana during election of their president of punjab unit and organised training camps where ex army officers ex dgps took part and exhorted youths to form terorrist gangs to kill minorities . Such camps were organised in MUKKSAR SHAIB GURDWARA in 2005 ,NANGAL SHAIB GURDWARA in same year besides hundreds of such camps organised 1998-2006 in which SUCH punjab leaders like MUKANDI LAL GARG balram ji dass tandon and mukandi lal took part. during 2001 badal announced 10 crore aid for their student wing ABVP.Which was used for anti-sikh propaganda only in MOHALI such propaganda was stopped boldy by gursikhs who threatened armed opposition. iN madya pradesh RSS EXHIBITED RIFLES AND AK-47S.Unlike nihangs who keep weapons for showpiece.In tehlaka tapes of gujarat riots clearly shows how rss prepared for ethnic cleasing if we ignore it then prepared for another genocide killings of84

Maybe you should stop the anti-Hindu agenda. Plese do not take it as anti hindu agenda I have more nonsikhs as friends but reality is that fantic hinduism had taken over holiest places of buddhhists like BADRINATH, which have no link with hinduism I will describe in details about it in another topic soon.Hindu python is trying to swallow the khalsa .

No veer ji it is not the vani FROM GRANTH SHAIB as I regularily take HUKAM and I am also a AMRITDHARI that is why I got the shock I could not record it . IT was ramchander AYODHA raj tyagya apne mat pita de kehen utte then cleverly Ragis quoted from the GRANTH SHIAB just one line about Ravana then Ramchandera was called GOD RAMA . CAN ANYONE JUSTIFY IT they r misinterpretating it . As I come from family who has served the indian army and intelligence agenciesI have more knowddge about the cheap tactics done by these agencies RAW and INTELLIGENCE BREAU ,Punjab intelligence r subverting the sikhs in bigger way than we think, So in counter it we have spend some amount on study of sikh history. I did not get a chance to record it but I did try to contact some sikh leaders on phone but all were evasive. It is not for the first time many occasions verses and kacchi Bani is done from not only from DURBAR SHAIB but from other GURDWARAS also.If it was from the BANI from the GRANTH SHAIB I would not written any post here.

It is not the news of spokesman but I PERSONALY HEARD IT AS I LISTEN TO KIRTAN REGULRILY RATHER NONE OF THE MEDIA REPORTED IT. See my friend do not compare MANDIR with GURDWARA ,MASJID AS IN SIKH AND MUSLIM PLACES ARE THE ONLY ONES WHERE THE PRAYER IS DONE TO ALMIGHTY AND ONLY STRICT CODE OF CONDUCT IS THERE. STRUCTURE OF GURDWARA AND MANDIR SPEAKS A LOT. WHILE STRUTURE OF GURWARA AND MASJID ARE ROUND WHILE STRUTURE OF MANDIR IS RECTANGULAR WHY? ANSWER IS ROUND MEANS A RETURN TO SPECIFIC POINT THERE BY MEANS ALL PATHS REACHES TO ALMIGHTY. RECTANGULAR MEANS NARROWNESS AND FIXED TO ONE INDIVIDUAL AS IAM VERY LOW TO U SPIRITUALLY. BUT NIHANGS ARE BEING TAKEN FOR A RIDE JUST AS BUDDHISTS WERE FOOLED AND THEIR HOLIEST PLACE OF BADRINATH HAS BEEN CONVERTED INTO A TEMPLE SAME SHOULD NOT HAPPEN TO THE SIKHS. I have seen GREAT NIHANG SINGHS IN MY CHILDHOOD WHO WERE VERY PERFECT IN REHIT I WILL DESCRIBE IN MY NEXT POST PERHAPS U MAY BE HAVING SOME KNOWDGE ABOUT THEM.

Yes u r then devoid of practibility these leftists are biggest failed peoplle they need to thrw their books on MARX AND LENIN IN DUSTBIN LIKEWISE THEY DESERVE THESAME. During one of the meetings ZINAH WAS OFFERED ONE VILLAGE JUST BUT STILL HE DID NOT DIVERT FROM HIS GOAL OF PAKISTAN . U LIKE LIVE IN SLAVERY AND GENOCIDE NOT THE TRUE SIKHS AFTER JEWS SIKHS HAVE FACED SUCH GENOCIDE . SO KHALSTAN LEKE RAHEKE ENEMIES OF KHALSA LIKE FASCISTT HINDUS ,AND LEFTISTS HAVE TO LIVE NOT THE JUSTICE LOVING HINDUS AND BHAYIAS HAVE TO GO. FFTER THE KHALSTAN INDIA WILL CEASE TO EXIST . SORRY FACSISTS HINDUS AND BHAYAIAS HAVE TO LEAVE BUT NO HARM WILL BE DONE TRUE HINDUS . KHALSTAN ZINDABAD

Yes u r then devoid of practibility these leftists are biggest failed peoplle they need to thrw their books on MARX AND LENIN IN DUSTBIN LIKEWISE THEY DESERVE THESAME. During one of the meetings ZINAH WAS OFFERED ONE VILLAGE JUST BUT STILL HE DID NOT DIVERT FROM HIS GOAL OF PAKISTAN . U LIKE LIVE IN SLAVERY AND GENOCIDE NOT THE TRUE SIKHS AFTER JEWS SIKHS HAVE FACED SUCH GENOCIDE . SO KHALSTAN LEKE RAHEKE ENEMIES OF KHALSA LIKE FASCISTT HINDUS ,AND LEFTISTS HAVE TO LIVE NOT THE JUSTICE LOVING HINDUS AND BHAYIAS HAVE TO GO. FFTER THE KHALSTAN INDIA WILL CEASE TO EXIST .

It was in same sikh RAGAS AND TOO IN HOLIEST SIKH SHRINE. THEN IT IS BIGGEST MANMAT.