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so i was in school, and my kirpan was hanging out underneath my shirt and of course someone asked "Are you wearing a knife?!" lol

anyway i answered a coupla questions (regarding the law etc), but someone asked if it had to be made out of metal. (i dint get a chance to answer - there were too many questions!) but it got me thinking.

my initial reaction would be no - kirpans are weapons, even if we hardly ever use them as that. but the thing is, thesedays people like me wear small ones to school etc (like 3 inches) and sometimes they're blunt - they can hardly be used as 'weapons' if theres a need. so if we wear small, blunt kirpans then they might as well be made of wood too? its a slippery slope... should i be wearing a bigger kirpan?

secondly, having to take the kirpan off on planes really gets to me because it seems to show that sikhs havent been able to stand up properly for their own rehit and rights. so what would you say if someone asked you "you won't remove it now but then how come you take it off on aeroplanes".

id like any opinions if you have time to post :@ - thanks.

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you will be better of asking this question at a forum with more mature members :@ try tapoban.

kirpan must be made outta metal, no if ands or buts. at the very least, having a metal kirpran, even though it might only be 3 inches, reminds me that i'm a warrior and if need be am willing to defend for righteouness (sp?). this goes for both inside and outside. notice how i said inside first :umm:

at airports we are forced to take kirpan off, we dont do it willingly.

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so i was in school, and my kirpan was hanging out underneath my shirt and of course someone asked "Are you wearing a knife?!" lol

anyway i answered a coupla questions (regarding the law etc), but someone asked if it had to be made out of metal. (i dint get a chance to answer - there were too many questions!) but it got me thinking.

my initial reaction would be no - kirpans are weapons, even if we hardly ever use them as that. but the thing is, thesedays people like me wear small ones to school etc (like 3 inches) and sometimes they're blunt - they can hardly be used as 'weapons' if theres a need. so if we wear small, blunt kirpans then they might as well be made of wood too? its a slippery slope... should i be wearing a bigger kirpan?

secondly, having to take the kirpan off on planes really gets to me because it seems to show that sikhs havent been able to stand up properly for their own rehit and rights. so what would you say if someone asked you "you won't remove it now but then how come you take it off on aeroplanes".

id like any opinions if you have time to post :@ - thanks.

vjkk vjkf

Make your gathra smaller, i wear a 12-15 inch one to school no one sees it....Also i dont like flying for the whole airport thing...anyways if somone keeps buggin u bout ur kirpan and or such just tell them tthat its non of there bussiness

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7 is minimum.

But i always have my 3ft sri sahib with me at all times, even at school, once people are used to it as it is a part of my religion and duty as puttar of Dhan Dhan Sant-Sipahi Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj.

Why are you ashamed of your family?

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gurfateh jee. .. .

i was told 9 inch is minimum length. . .

2) sri sahib jee and kara are both meant to be made from sarbloh (as per gurmat)

3) when we get khalsa raaj then maybe we wont have to our sri sahibs off at the airport, however untill then its our gulami that we have to. . . and we obs havnt fought about it much. . . you shud do a little ardaas. . . take it off. . .not eat untill u put it back on and b4 that do 1 japji sahib jee da paat.

4) the sri sahibs in you neck i.e. the smaal ones are of no use practically. . . i have only wore one at the airport when flying abroad. . . but thats as a majburi

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"The mark of a Khalsa is one who holds a Kirpan in hand, by doing this tens of million of sins are abolished." (Sri Dasam Granth Ang 42)

The Kirpan is there to protect the poor and for self-defence. With patience and mercy, the Kirpan is to be used as a sword in order to destroy oppression. The Kirpan is to always be in a gatra and never to be removed from the body. The Kirpan protects us from hidden and seen enemies. The Kirpan is a weapon to protect the whole body, as a minimum it should be nine inches in length. Keeping the Kirpan in a Kangha, in the Kesh and putting it on a string around the neck like a Janeoo, are against the Rehat and forbidden.

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"Those who never depart his/her arms, they are the Khalsa with excellent rehats." (Rehatnama Bhai Desa Singh ji, p.148)

You are never to walk over your Kirpan or other weapons. When washing your Kesh, the Kangha is to be tied to your Kirpan and the Kirpan tied around your waist. When bathing, your Kirpan is to be tied around your head and not tucked into the Kashara as this dishonours your Kirpan and is therefore forbidden. When women bathe they are to tie their dupata on their head and then their Kirpan.

When going to sleep your Kirpan is not to be removed from your body.

The Kirpan is only to be used for two things. Firstly, to give Guru Ji's blessing to freshly prepared Karah Prasad or for langar. Secondly, in order to destroy tyrants and oppressors. It must never be used for anything.

If the Kangha, Kara or Kirpan are separated from your body, it is forbidden to eat or drink until they are replaced. Upon the replacement of your missing Kakkar, an Ardas must be performed for the loss and beg for forgiveness. The Ardas may be performed either in a Gurdwara or the place where you are replacing your Kakkar. Having done this, you may eat and drink.

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Even though official is 9, i have also heard some say 7, one singh had told me it is because some pl think 9 is too big and they usually go for about 4-5 which is too small, so 7 they center it out, but rather than centring, etc we shoul use 9 which is rehit.

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no offense, but if you're asking this, what is the purpose of wearing a kirpan even? First learn everything then put your kirpan on.

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