Immoral Deed

[harjit nanua]

8) Carrying out actions which assist in accomplishing goal.

9) Achieving the goal.

What about the goal to reach God...? Goal to go to the gurdwara..goal to do good?

[YoungSikh]

The people who try to get those "Kaam, Kroth, Moh, Lobh, Maya " away whole day is actually keeping these thing with him whole day. And a person who live simply always got win on them.

Young Sikh, would you care to provide a definition of "living simply"? It seems that you think "living simply" means making no effort whatsoever to distance yourself from the 5 dark elements of human nature. These elements are called thieves and thugs in Bani. You wouldn't think it odd that people wouldn't want to associate with robbers and burglars, so why do you think it odd that spiritual believers (Sikhs) want to stay afar from the five spiritual thieves?

The five thieves loot the ability of the spirit to achieve Amrit Ras (the taste of the highest divine nectar). They make it impossible to achieve the goal of human life, and they also damn the spirit to perdition:

jam dda(n)ddaa gal sa(n)gal parriaa bhaag geae sae pa(n)ch janaa ||3||

Death strikes her down with his rod, the shackles are placed around her neck, and now the five have left. ||3|| Guru Nanak Dev Ji Raag Gauree 155

You slander those who attempt to shoo the five thieves, yet Guru Arjan Dev Ji praises such Sikhs:

gur kaa sabadh ridh a(n)thar dhhaarai ||

Those who implant the Word of the Guru's Shabad within their hearts

pa(n)ch janaa sio sa(n)g nivaarai ||

cut their connections with the five passions.

dhas ei(n)dhree kar raakhai vaas ||

They keep the ten organs under their control;

thaa kai aathamai hoe paragaas ||1||

their souls are enlightened. ||1|| p 236

Note: the ten indri's referenced above are the five sense organs and the five organs of action, including the sexual organs. You're not seriously going to try to claim that constantly thinking about a girl (or a boy) and trying to get close to them and touching them doesn't sexually excite a person, are you?

Guru Arjan Dev Ji explicitly states that he who kills the five thieves is perfect in the Guru's eyes:

jin pa(n)ch maar bidhaar gudhaarae so pooraa eih kalee rae ||1|| rehaao ||

He alone, who conquers and defeats the five demons, is perfect in this Dark Age of Kali Yuga. ||1||Pause|| p 404

No matter how many tuks (lines) of Bani are quoted, a lover of mammon (a mayadhari) persists in attachment to this sweet poison. The reason is that he has developed a taste for it, and for him, it is amrit (a false amrit, though), and the five thieves loot him while he is inebriated with this wine:

amrit kael karae nith kaaman avar luttaen s pa(n)ch janaa ||2||

She enjoys the sweet play again and again, while the five demons are plundering her. ||2|| p 155

The person who "lives simply" has lost the entire game of life.

May God save us from this fate.

Well you are right BhForce I haven't reply your question, actually I was busy with Keeeerpa and I haven't clicked on that thread for long. Ok Now Plz read the answer.

Plz read a small but interesting story.

Once there was a Sadhu, who used to teach his Students to be away from Kaam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh and Maya. The students wre very obedient.

Once Two of these students (Gurmat Pal and Manmat Pal) went to other village that was other side of a river.

When they were crossing river they saw a young girl was drowning in water.

Manmat said lets save her but Gurmat said NO its against our rules to touch a girl / female.

Ignoring Gurmat, Manmat hold the hand of girl and put her on his shoulder and saved her and handed over her to her parents.

Gurmat got upset even after 3 days coming back in Asharm.

At last he went to his Guruji and narrated the whole shappend 3 days before, and said Manmat is not your obedient student and he broke the rule, he touched a youg girl.

Sadhu called Manmat asked the truth and Manmat said YES I helped that girl on other day to save her life but its thing of 3 day back, so now whats the fuss.

Then Sadhu said to Gurmat, "Manmat put that girl on his shoulder and put her back on earth after saving her life, BUT Gurmat you not even touched her but Still you are hauling body of that girl on your shoulders."

So, Is you think all the time to get away from Kaam then even it means you are thinking of kaam.

So Living Simply means (According to me) Don't be scare of these 5 elements at all, Win them as natually as possible. Moreover, don't relate every thing with Kaam, like if a girl is attractive and wearing modren outfit that doesn't mean she is tring to seduce you OR she is egocentric (this thinking might be due to your lack of confidence.)