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[Guest amar_jkp]

Our enemies have attacked us again and this time they have target Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj . Read the below as per them it is contradiction . I request please answer them .

Look at Bhagat Kabir's bani

ਕਮਲਾਪਤਿ ਕਵਲਾ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਨਾਂ ॥੩॥

कमलापति कवला नही जानां ॥३॥

Vishnu the Lord of Lakshmi and Lakshmi herself - none of them know the Lord. ||3||

But as u can see in Guru Arjun's statement here

ਬਿਨਵੰਤਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਮੇਰੀ ਆਸ ਪੂਰਨ ਮਿਲੇ ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਗੁਣ ਨਿਧਾਨ ॥੪॥੧॥੧੪॥

बिनवंति नानक मेरी आस पूरन मिले स्रीधर गुण निधान ॥४॥१॥१४॥

Prays Nanak, my hopes are fulfilled; I have met the Lord, the Lord of Lakshmi, the treasure of excellence. ||4||1||14||

Look at Bhagat Sain's statements

ਵਾਰਨੇ ਜਾਉ ਕਮਲਾ ਪਤੀ ॥੧॥

वारने जाउ कमला पती ॥१॥

I am a sacrifice to the Lord of Lakshmi. ||1||

Again Guru Arjan's statements

ਮੁਕੰਦ ਮਨੋਹਰ ਲਖਮੀ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ॥

मुकंद मनोहर लखमी नाराइण ॥

Liberator, Enticing Lord, Lord of Lakshmi, Supreme Lord God.

Bhagat Kabir

ਜਹ ਪਉੜੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਮਲਾ ਕੰਤ ॥੪॥

जह पउड़े स्री कमला कंत ॥४॥

The Supreme Lord, the Lord of Lakshmi dwells there. ||4||

Guru Nanak Dev's

ਮਿਹਰਵਾਨ ਮਧੁਸੂਦਨ ਮਾਧੌ ਐਸੀ ਸਕਤਿ ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

मिहरवान मधुसूदन माधौ ऐसी सकति तुम्हारी ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

O Merciful Lord, Destroyer of demons, Lord of Lakshmi, such is Your Power - Your Shakti.

San't Nabdeo

ਨਾਮੇ ਕੇ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਸੀਅ ਬਹੋਰੀ ਲੰਕ ਭਭੀਖਣ ਆਪਿਓ ਹੋ ॥੪॥੨॥

नामे के सुआमी सीअ बहोरी लंक भभीखण आपिओ हो ॥४॥२॥

Naam Dayv's Lord Master brought Sita back, and gave Sri Lanka to Bhabheekhan. ||4||2||

ਪੂਤੁ ਪ੍ਰਹਿਲਾਦੁ ਕਹਿਆ ਨਹੀ ਮਾਨੈ ਤਿਨਿ ਤਉ ਅਉਰੈ ਠਾਨੀ ॥੨॥

पूतु प्रहिलादु कहिआ नही मानै तिनि तउ अउरै ठानी ॥२॥

ਰਾਮੁ ਕਹੈ ਕਰ ਤਾਲ ਬਜਾਵੈ ਚਟੀਆ ਸਭੈ ਬਿਗਾਰੇ ॥੧॥

रामु कहै कर ताल बजावै चटीआ सभै बिगारे ॥१॥

He chants the Lord's Name, clapping his hands to keep the beat; he has spoiled all the other students. ||1||

ਦੁਸਟ ਸਭਾ ਮਿਲਿ ਮੰਤਰ ਉਪਾਇਆ ਕਰਸਹ ਅਉਧ ਘਨੇਰੀ ॥

दुसट सभा मिलि मंतर उपाइआ करसह अउध घनेरी ॥

The council of villains met and resolved to send Prahlaad into the life hereafter.

ਗਿਰਿ ਤਰ ਜਲ ਜੁਆਲਾ ਭੈ ਰਾਖਿਓ ਰਾਜਾ ਰਾਮਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਫੇਰੀ ॥੩॥

गिरि तर जल जुआला भै राखिओ राजा रामि माइआ फेरी ॥३॥

Prahlaad was thrown off a mountain, into the water, and into a fire, but the Sovereign Lord God saved him, by changing the laws of nature. ||3||

ਕਾਢਿ ਖੜਗੁ ਕਾਲੁ ਭੈ ਕੋਪਿਓ ਮੋਹਿ ਬਤਾਉ ਜੁ ਤੁਹਿ ਰਾਖੈ ॥

काढि खड़गु कालु भै कोपिओ मोहि बताउ जु तुहि राखै ॥

Kādẖ kẖaṛag kāl bẖai kopi▫o mohi baṯā▫o jo ṯuhi rākẖai.

Harnaakhash thundered with rage and threatened to kill Prahlaad. "Tell me, who can save you?

ਕਹਿ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਹਮ ਨਰਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਵਹ ਰਾਮੁ ਅਭੈ ਪਦ ਦਾਤਾ ॥੫॥੩॥੯॥

कहि नामदेउ हम नरहरि धिआवह रामु अभै पद दाता ॥५॥३॥९॥

Says Naam Dayv, I meditate on the Lord, the Man-lion, the Giver of fearless dignity. ||5||3||9||

ਪਾਖੰਤਣ ਬਾਜ ਬਜਾਇਲਾ ॥

पाखंतण बाज बजाइला ॥

Playing on the instrument of the feathered wings,

ਗਰੁੜ ਚੜ੍ਹ੍ਹੇ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਆਇਲਾ ॥੧੫॥

गरुड़ चड़्हे गोबिंद आइला ॥१५॥

the Gobinda came, mounted on the eagle garura. ||15||

ਅਪਨੇ ਭਗਤ ਪਰਿ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲ ॥

अपने भगत परि की प्रतिपाल ॥

He cherished His devotee,

ਗਰੁੜ ਚੜ੍ਹ੍ਹੇ ਆਏ ਗੋਪਾਲ ॥੧੬॥

गरुड़ चड़्हे आए गोपाल ॥१६॥

and the Lord came, mounted on the eagle garura. ||16||

ਨਾਮੇ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ ਨਾਹੀ ਭੇਦੁ ॥੨੮॥੧॥੧੦॥

नामे नाराइन नाही भेदु ॥२८॥१॥१०॥

There is no difference between Naam Dayv and the Lord. ||28||1||10||

Kabir

ਜਲ ਥਲ ਰਾਖਨ ਹੈ ਰਘੁਨਾਥ ॥੩॥੧੦॥੧੮॥

जल थल राखन है रघुनाथ ॥३॥१०॥१८॥

Who's Raghunath? The Lord of Raghu clan

Guru Ram Das

जपिओ नामु सुक जनक गुर बचनी हरि हरि सरणि परे ॥

ਜਪਿਓ ਨਾਮੁ ਸੁਕ ਜਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਬਚਨੀ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਸਰਣਿ ਪਰੇ ॥

Suk-deva and Janak meditated on the Naam; following the Guru's Teachings, they sought the Sanctuary of the Lord, Har, Har.

Suk-deva was the son of Maharshi Byaas

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ਜਾਤ ਨਜਾਤਿ ਦੇਖਿ ਮਤ ਭਰਮਹੁ ਸੁਕ ਜਨਕ ਪਗੀਂ ਲਗਿ ਧਿਆਵੈਗੋ ॥

जात नजाति देखि मत भरमहु सुक जनक पगीं लगि धिआवैगो ॥

Do not be fooled by appearances of high and low social class. Suk Dayv bowed at the feet of Janak, and meditated.

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ਗਾਵਹਿ ਜਨਕਾਦਿ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਜੋਗੇਸੁਰ ਹਰਿ ਰਸ ਪੂਰਨ ਸਰਬ ਕਲਾ ॥

गावहि जनकादि जुगति जोगेसुर हरि रस पूरन सरब कला ॥

King Janak and the great Yogic heroes of the Lord's Way, sing the Praises of the All-powerful Primal Being, filled with the sublime essence of the Lord.

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ਤੂ ਤਾ ਜਨਿਕ ਰਾਜਾ ਅਉਤਾਰੁ ਸਬਦੁ ਸੰਸਾਰਿ ਸਾਰੁ ਰਹਹਿ ਜਗਤ੍ਰ ਜਲ ਪਦਮ ਬੀਚਾਰ ॥

तू ता जनिक राजा अउतारु सबदु संसारि सारु रहहि जगत्र जल पदम बीचार ॥

You are the incarnation of King Janak; the contemplation of Your Shabad is sublime throughout the universe. You abide in the world like the lotus on the water.

[.- Prabhjot Singh -.]

Wjkk Wjkf veerjeo,

This is sadly the biggest problem every man of faith faces, and will keep facing. Playing with semantics comes easy to nindaks and they exploit it to their best.

Just a little tip tho: In a formal debate, do not let anyone take one of two tukks out of a shabad in an attempt to distort the meanings. A couple of common examples are:

Nacchan Kuddan Mann Ka Chao

and

Eh Bhe Daate Teri Daatar

If you read the complete shabad, you will immediately know they are being used to push totally different mentalities. So, complete shabads please, no snippets.

This unfortunately happens in every religion, be it Islam, Christianity, even Hinduism. The best way to refute is, instead of engaging with arguments with such nindaks, do few write ups and distribute them around in their circles. Dont end up in tu-tu mai-mai, name calling, etc., that is their ultimate goal, dont fall into that stupid trap.

Oh, and can i just add - There are absolutely no contradictions in Sri Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj. The bani is written for men/women of different avasthas. Things that dont make sense now will become clear only when inner awkening happens.

Thanks,

Gurfateh

[MoneySingh000]

Wjkk Wjkf, Lord of Laxmi is different than Laxmi