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ipledgeblue replied to caveman's topic in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
Been so much nindya and attacking Shastarvidiya since the 2000s, however if we look at gatka now it's still mostly as poor and poorly taught as it was back then, still morris dancing moves and still behzti moves in BBC shows about sikhi and vaisakhi. If people were going to attack shastarvidiya, wouldn't have made sense to improve gatka instead and make it more effective? Additionally, the Nihang Singh presence has improved greatly now, and the cracks within the the SGPC and affiliated jatha jathebandis are showing more greatly as panth becomes more knowledgable with dasam bani and itihas day-by-day, so much gyaan which was lost within panjabi sikhs during colonial times. In the 2000s, the groups were able to talk down this bani and gyaan by associating it with RSS and hindus, brahminwaad etc. Not working so well now is it? However with gyaan it would be also good for us to try and preserve our martial arts and keertan vidiya as well! More and more crazy keertan videos are coming out from jatha members that are being made fun of and making sangat annoyed and upset, on tiktok and instagram reels. -
Author Posted April 24 On 4/21/2025 at 2:43 PM, ipledgeblue said: sirr should not be nanga because keski is usually worn. Sikhs can sleep nanga-sirr if they choose to . Being from Punjab, almost every Sardaarji i know (amritdhari or not) sleeps/showers with their hair uncovered. I don't think Guru Sahib asked us to wear Dastar to sleep and I don't think it is in SRM. The idea of "keski being worn to sleep" is cos in Bollywood films (Bachna Ae Haseeno) Sikh characters usually tie a gol parna when sleeping since the actor's usually Hindu. So they gotta cover his head somehow or he'd have cut hair. Same reason Diljit wore a pagg to bed in the El Sueno vid. Only time they didn't do that was in Gadar with Sunny Deol which just looked odd tbh What in the world? What sikh or even a decent human would base their knowledge of their culture or religion on a movie industry, that too Bollywood? Believe me, no sikh ever said, I must cover my head becasue an actor did so in a movie. I've been doing it all wrong, I must start covering mh head because the sikh in that movie did. Just because every panjabi and sardaar you know, does something, also doesn't make it right.. Follow the guru. And if you have a medical condition, then exemptions can be made. Just admit it, because of my medical condition, I am not able to follow this rehit. Why are you getting everyone else to drop to your level?
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Wasn't Guru Arjan Dev's martyrdom on amd always commemorated on 6th June? How come it was 30th May? Just like 6th June 84, where the likes of Terrorists like Indira Gandhi chose to attack Darbar Sahib where many many innocent Sikhs would suffer, as they went to commemorate Martyrdom of Maharaj.
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best thing is to follow the Sikh Rehat Maryada and use common sense for gray areas. Anything outside of that's irrelevant tbh that code is what Guru Gobind Singh Ji and the 5 Pyaare agreed on when creating Amrit in 1699 -
No but an Assault Rifle will. Shastar Vidhya can't help you there. What's my point? Learn shooting training cos YOU @caveman can't beat men with an AK47
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Who tf are u calling Mughal? Come meet me irl I keep telling you. Don't be scared. The Mughals used to talk big and act small just like you, Singhs weren't scared to fight. Either come fight in person or stop running your mouth behind a screen. Valentines Park, East London.
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Would Gun training be better or Nihang shastar vidhya? Exactly. No amount of Shastar Vidhya is beating a trained man with an Assault Rifle. We're not playing COD lol
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Ohhhh sorry. I forgot my whole argument is fake if I get the names wrong. Yh I meant Baba Buddha Sahib Ji but the point still stands And why are you online at 1AM on Sunday lol don't you have work in the morning? Vaileh bethiyaa ghar de vich lol lagta ki tere kohl koi kam nhi haiga
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lol As I thought. You won't fight me walk on son
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How will krav maga for example teach you how to defend guru granth sahib ji and the gurughar if multiple people entered it to cause harm to Maharajs saroop and Sanagt? How will mma deal with multiple armed and armoured people entering your house for example?
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What are you on about? Abandon ?. You haven't even seen first hand let alone actually practiced Shastar vidiya and you talk about learning foreign malech arts?. You truly are a mughal mlech. Masters of various masters are learning shastar vidiya and praising it but you'd rather us learn something foreign and inadequate +inferior compared to Sv. Shsstar vidiya which has been passed down from guru nanak to baba Buddha ji is a complete system ie arming peasants To breaking/(jumping through)battle formations. The gurus didn't pick from various arts and compile something different as you are referring to. Moreover the khalsa stratagem of dhai patt(guerilla warfare /two and a half strikes) was not heard of by Mughals and afghans. It's even noted by some qazi from mid 1700s something in the lines of, never chase the Sikhs when they are retreating away as it's a tactic of theirs to turn around when the army chasing the singhs is a far distance away from the main bulk of their army and the Singhs turn their horses around cut them down
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Baba deep Singh? You are confused with baba Buddha ji .
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Great words from a gursikh -
but yh probably. Just like how Punjabi dress and food got influenced by Mughal Rule, so did our fighting styles. Guru Sahib used whatever weapons/martial arts were the most modern and effective at the time and this would've been that at the time
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To track Shastar Vidya's history, we must look at Baba Deep Singh Ji - story is that Guru Nanak Dev Ji taught them and they passed it down to Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji who taught the Sikh Army. But I think we should abandon these old arts to learn new ones. If Maharaj were here today I think they would tell us to learn the newest weapons, eg to train pistols over gatka. Bhai Dalla gave them a musket as it was the newest weapon back then, and they loved it. It's cool to research our history but that is not the warrior side of the Khalsa, it is the history. The Sikh warrior culture would be like "Before, Sikhs did gatka. End of... now we train shooting and MMA".
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lol and I saw you on the reddit talking about how Kenyan Sikhs are ruining the Panth. Like I said, I don't see "jatt sikh" as being any more harmful than "Punjabi or Kenyan Sikh", it's just a category. It only becomes a problem when we make it one imo
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Paaji my point is that people say "jatt sikh" isn't a thing as "Jatt" as a concept is against Sikhi but I don't see how that is the case. Just like how we say "Punjabi Sikh" or "Kenyan Sikh" (here in the UK those are the two main ones) in Punjab itself it just gets broken down further into "Jatt Sikh", "Ramgarhia Sikh" etc. I don't see how Jatt is against Sikhi. I know songs about Jatts normally are about Daaru and such but to be fair that's just Punjab as a whole now, especially with drugs. I don't see anything wrong with being "jatt Sikh" unless someone uses it to put other Sikhs down for no reason. Identifying as such is no worse than saying one is "kenyan Skh" or "punjabi Sikh" imo
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Unpopular opinion - "Jatt" is not a caste
ipledgeblue replied to VSinghz7's topic in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
It is true that there are 4 varnas. But I think the terms jaati castes can still be applied to other groups and tribes. IT is true, that being jatt isn't really following caste system as such, as that is more of the 4 varnas again! -
I read in the past that gatka is derived from a performance art practiced by some Muslims called khutka, as opposed to being descended from sastarvidiya. Could this be a form of khutka? https://www.facebook.com/reel/426824127191317 https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18neut1wLW/
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In my opinion, all Gurdware should follow only the Sikh Rehat Maryada, be named after Gurus or their local area only and have no pictures of Sants in them. They should never do "Aarti Aarta" with lamps or anything. They should look like this: 1) Named only like "Guru Nanak Dev Ji Gurdwara" or "Crystal Palace Gurdwara" if there are no other ones in the area 2) Should ignore the concept of "sects" completely. There should be no mention of Nihangs, Naamdharis or anything. Just act like they don't exist and focus only on the teachings of the Gurus 3) Should follow Sikh Rehat Maryada - eg: NO BHANG for Nihangs and no meat on the premises to honour all faiths who eat there (even though Sikhs can eat meat outside the Gurdwara) 4) Be completely ritual-free as Maharaj recommended. Therefore, there is no need for "Aarti-Aarta" with trays and lamps. Guru Nanak Dev Ji told us this is not necessary. No need for joht lamps, dhoop or anything like that. Only focus should be on the Gurus. 5) There shouldn't be pictures of any "Sants" or "Baba" who never met the Gurus. Baba Deep Singh Ji, for example, would be fine but no modern day figures like Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala. Only pictures in the Gurdwara should be of the Gurus or the people they personally met and trusted like Baba Deep Singh Ji or Bhai Mardana Ji. This way, Sikhi remains "pure" imo. We just focus strictly on the Gurus and avoid anything "ritualistic"
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imo opinion Sikhi has become like Christianity, Islam or Hinduism where we've got different Gurdware for different sects like they have shia and sunni mosques, catholic/protestant Churches and Mata/Krishna Mandirs. Forget Nihang, Naamdhari, Udasi, Ramgarhia or whatever. I think we should just have Gurdware named after the Gurus that all follow the Sikh Rehat Maryada. No Bhang for Nihangs, no meat in Patra Gurdware and no "Ramgarhia" name in a Gurdwara. It should just be like "Guru Harkrishan Sahib Ji Gurdwara" which has no drugs in it, no meat in it and just follows Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj, with no pictures of Sants there
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You ARE nothing lol. I know I'd give you a slap if you name a time and place. Come to Valentines Park in Ilford, prove to me you really fought 8 men with knives all on your own like you claim to have done. Sick of you little keyboard warriors acting like fighters, come and show me lol. Flippin w@nker you probably got this forum running on one tab and pornhub running in the next lol. When you're done nutting over ur own sister come and fight me in person mai tenu ik minute vich teekh karaanga saaleyo
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@caveman F the"Ramgarhia Sabha" you stupid plonker. The only way Sikhi should be is "Singh Sabha", meaning "all the Singhs (or sikhs)". Not the political movement cos idc about that either, I mean the idea of one Khalsa, undivided by caste who all follow the teachings of our 10 Gurus. TLDR: You wasted ur time posting all that BS cos nobody cares about ur Ramgarhia Panth's origins. We care about why a Gurdwara is being built on the basis of "Ramgarhia" instead of Sikh. Answer this question or we'll leave you to bark like the dogs outside my house in India
