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@ipledgeblue starched turbans are fine. Gurus also gave strict orders never to criticise or belittle a dastaar (of any style). If somebody prefers a solid pagg, which doesn’t move or lose shape, then this is fine. It’s better to have a starched turban that you feel comfortable in than one that you tie that makes you feel bad. For example, ppl I know tend to get quite frustrated if they can’t get their pagg right before a function, which makes them angry. Having a starched pagg is easier for them and saves them the stress, makes them nicer ppl in general

@JassuObviously, it’s not rlly your business so don’t worry, but I’ll educate you. Someone who is 50% Rajput and 50% jatt is called “Rajput Jatt”. And btw, nobody is saying that one caste is better than the other, I’m just clarifying that Tarkhans aren’t the only ones who starch paggs (and that it happens on the Indian style as well as the Kenyan, maybe js not as commonly). Stop worrying about nuances and stick on topic or just don’t say anything.

This Sundar Gutka Sahib is available in print form: it measures 6 x 4 inches approximately… Cost in India, about 350 INR

We are screwing eachother over to even care about religion.

Stupid thought.

back then was waaaay different. ppl didn’t attend higher education or have much to do after the age of like… 13, lol. you’d have 13 year olds boys and girls that know how to do kethi, cook entire meals, etc nowadays even 22 year olds are extremely immature and can be sheltered. the average person doesn’t know how to do anything except their 9-5 which they are probably half arsing as well.

i live close by and yea all the gurudwarehs around these parts are run down it’s sad

what’s a rajput jatt sikh you’re either jatt or you’re not jatt

If relationship with Guru is strong, then kanga is done twice a day, and turban should never be taken off or put on like a hat, there is a lot wrong with that as it is against rehit! maryada is to take off every layer of turban/pagh/dumalla individually, and tie fresh turban each time!

the whole 'your husband/wife is chosen for you'/sanjog thing is real, it's just that a lot of people end up marrying the wrong person. they did not end up with the person that was meant for them. my friend, you should marry someone who you feel a connection with and love. there are millions of sikh girls, i'm sure you can find someone who aligns with your sensibilities and who you can truthfully say that you love. sikhi does not say anything against love marriages. you can also be in a loveless arranged marriage which is a safe option b/c both families are more inclined to keep the union intact. i was one of those people who was like meh, i guess i'll just get arranged to some sikh. well i finally started dating for the first time this year and i'm getting married to someone that i love and cannot even imagine leaving. i think it's better to have lost & lost than never loved at all. unfortunately, a lot of people confuse love w/ looks & lust. a lot of men go for the fittest girl they can find and think they won the jackpot or something. in reality, your partner should be like an extremely loved best friend. there's a reason why it's a fact that the most stable and long-lasting relationships started as friendships. i also think a lot of women are petty and divorce over small reasons, but there's other terrible things like high cheating rates as well. that's why the divorce rate in the west is high. be careful out there.

andrew tate praises sikhi too & likes sikhs. his brother also donated to sikh families iirc. they just like any "alpha" religion and tbh islam is the most "alpha" in their eyes. islam is very good at promoting that image. but imo a real alpha man doesn't command respect by beating up his wive(s) or forcing them to wear a burqa. a real man will have his woman listen to him w/o raising a hand or his voice, and command respect by being respectful. he leads by example and integrity. that's true masculinity. you get the idea. + yes, it's definitely true that islam is growing rapidly and making massive inroads. strength in numbers + belief will do that. but rlly it's just because of the birth rate. a lot of them are muslim b/c it's their "identity" just like how a lot of young sikhs will say they're "culturally sikh" or whatever. there just aren't billions of sikhs who lambast their identity everywhere and have strict and linear rules like in islam. besides, the reality is that islam and its followers are some of the most morally bankrupt. you can see all the weird trans rules in iran, bacche baazi in afghanistan, visiting brothels, watching p*rn, p*dophilia what goes on behind the scenes in countries like uae & qatar, etc, and come to your conclusions. you can google all the stats yourself and see which countries do the most of these ^.

stop associating with hinduism, that's the absolutely worst thing you can do as a sikh. not sure if you noticed but the entire world looks down upon and spits at india & hindus, literally no one respects them and considers them weak and cowardly. literally 1+ billion of them but not perceived as a strong religion commandeering respect.

you wrote a whole lot but told us nothing. what exactly did you do wrong to make you feel this way?

lol?

as soon as they're h*m*sexual they're not a sikh anymore.

the whole failestine thing is annoying and i feel bad for the jews atp but israel just needs to stop already. billions of angry <banned word filter activated> gives me the chills. our own people are big clowns too with the silly flags in their bios and the whole solidarity shtick. edit: lmao why is s*lleh a banned word

In general, no one really uses forums a lot anymore and growth is stagnant. Usually they're populated by OG users and once they stop posting and cease their activity, others tend to follow suit. There are still some socials that have engaging talks about Sikhi. You can try Twitter (X), Discord, Reddit, Tiktok, gurdwareh group chats, etcetera. Idk man. Sikhi as a whole is pretty much dying tbf. It makes sense that you'll see less engagement over time. A lot of people contend that the religion is being revived in the west, in particular by Gen Z. The zoomer lot is definitely kind of active, but they're mostly all talk and no action. It's like some kind of flex to feign religiosity. It's not just Sikhi though, it's all of 'em. Not only that, but at one point you just grow up and have more serious matters to attend to. I used to be online for hours and hours and mess around and post but now I don't even have time to do anything b/c I'm spending time with my family & getting married soon. Now, I'm just worried about making babies. Everything's a blur. There are probably others that feel the same as well.

Yes very true, however many years ago. Let's say 10, SA didn't have the number of users this forum had. I've used both before 2010

That’s true but forums like Sikh Awareness who allow open discussions have also seen a hit in the amount of traffic.

Sgpc and their supporters have side lined poor Sikhs for many many years. Caste discrimination, Yet people are wondering why Sikhs are flocking to convert. When you aren't treated right or as equal by your own kind. Of course you will see the grass is greener on the other side.

https://youtu.be/ol6tRPjbyM0?si=C3I1MF0gLT8I3ZdN

What he said. Moreover, For some reason admins around a decade ago allowed their personal beliefs to dictate what could be discussed and what could not. Many topics were blocked. Some members with their pack mentality didn't like to hear members with different views and beliefs.

https://youtu.be/TrIxbarRRQs?si=AsVVUCgiRlhr5h0I

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There is nothing wrong with starched pagg. The Guru is omniscient (all-knowing). You think he doesn't know our intentions? If somebody wears a starched pagg but still respects it as a crown then whats wrong with that? People think that starch automatically makes people lose their respect for their pagg but thats just false. And dont make this a caste thing I’m Rajput Jatt sikh (not an ounce of Tarkhan or anything else) and we all starch our INDIAN style punjabi paggs (patiala shahi), but respect them as our crowns and our literal lives. A respected starch pagg is better by far than a freshly tied one which people just disrespect. And people forget that these are not ready made or pre-tied turbans. You still tie them initially but just of course not as frequently. What’s wrong with that? When your relationship is that strong with the Guru then you know what he means. Speak to him directly, explain why and ask him if it’s okay. Btw I know people who dont starch their turbans (all punjabi/morni style btw) and they just wear it again the next day without tying it if they have toed it really nicely the day before. You cant really even tell who had tied it and who just wore it again without starch. At least we’re open about it. Bhul chuk maaf