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  1. 7 points
    Same as today any writer can write about general majority of Sikhs being non-turbaned, drinking or some smoking. 100 years later we cannot simply believe that they were the actual Sikh. Just like in past there were actual Sikhs who followed guru path and some who were on and off that path with their weakness. Maharaja Ranjit is the perfect example of a Sikh who was not a Sikh in our guru eyes with his lifestyle.
  2. 4 points
    rare photo at Harmandir Sahib outside the Darshan Deori, that nagara is Huge!! anyone know where this nagara is now? also rare photo of Sikh armoury from Sikh Raj
  3. 4 points
    ਪੁਛਨਿ ਫੋਲਿ ਕਿਤਾਬ ਨੋ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਵਡਾ ਕਿ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨੋਈ। They asked Baba Nanak to open and search in his book whether Hindu is great or the Muslim. ਬਾਬਾ ਆਖੇ ਹਾਜੀਆ, ਸੁਭਿ ਅਮਲਾ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਦੋਨੋ ਰੋਈ। Baba replied to the pilgrim hajis, that, without good deeds both will have to weep and wail. ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੩
  4. 3 points
    found it! his name was Bhai Mansha Singh there is absolutely no information about him whatsoever, not even a single article, unless he was known by another name too ? when massa ranghar invaded Harmandir Sahib Bhai Mansha Singh used to secretly swim across the sarovar to light a jot in Harmandir Sahib, he did this on a daily bases and was eventually caught by the massa ranghars men and killed he became shaheed in 1743.
  5. 3 points
    Old photo 1920s from harmandir sahib of raagis with different instruments harmandir sahib 1903 1920s harmandir sahib sant sham singh sewapanthi
  6. 3 points
    series by Sikh2inspire on our ithiaas from the 18th century stories about Banda Singh Bahadur, Nawab Kapoor Singh, Jassa Singh Allhuwalia, Sardar Bhagel Singh and other great leaders and warriors of the 18th century. 18th century was the darkest period in our history.
  7. 3 points
  8. 3 points
    This quote probably was the most used quote on social media last year and the year before, mainly by females (its true) and its not even guru nanak dev jis words.
  9. 2 points
    Good stuff. We should be supporting these content creators, for as long as they don't let it go to their heads, instead of filling the coffers of the already wealthy holy men. This type of info will reach a young person from a Sikh background, who knows next to nothing about their heritage, and might instigate a chain reaction to greater things compared to if we relied solely on the preaching in Gurdwareh, which is ordinarily preaching to the converted.
  10. 2 points
    wuhan is a manmade virus as is african swine flu , both of which already have patented vaccines ... You are more likely to die of cancer from the water and tainted food crops, a bullet from a baraati, road accident first before a so called zoonotic virus in Punjab.
  11. 2 points
    looks like his mrs is telling him off lol
  12. 2 points
    Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa's haveli in Pakistan next to the ancient Katas temples. The haveli overlooks the katas raj temples and is in the Potohar region of Punjab. the mandirs, really cool looking place, a lot of these mandirs were made during the Sikh raj while some date back to over a 1000 yrs old. This place is mentioned in the Mahabharat and Hindus believe the sarovar was made by Shivas tears when his wife Sati died.
  13. 2 points
    Agra and those areas are central india. Panjab itself has been heavily influenced by the persians. What with folk tales like laila majnu. Totally persian. And then sufi poetry like bulleh shah also has a bit of islamic influence. Also babar is first of the mughal rulers. So all the nice architecture like laal killah in delhi etc was notnyet built. The mughals would introduce water gardens etc. However it is funny coming from Babbar as he was from the nomadic mongol tribes that live in a boring flatlands and tents. With no soil worthy of farming and deserts and freezing cold. But then again, the mongols ruled in persia for 500 years and thats how they learnt persian and introduced it to india instead of their mongolian language. So i guess he got used to opulence
  14. 2 points
    transport - planes, trains, cars, lorries, shipping in toto not just public transport , and methane is 80 times worse than CO2 for global warming. DEAD Zones , huge especially in Gulf of Mexico because of raw sewage being washed out to sea from industrial animal farms in the Southern states of USA. This depletes the oxygen in the water and introduces antibiotics and pesticides/herbicides to the water. The worst was the aerosol disposal of pig slurry over black and porr white housing from farms , which causes cancer, respiratory illnesses, and not far may create cross-species diseases see the netflix series PANDEMIC scientists are aware that any new possible antibiotic resistant pandemic will be cooked up in the huge animal sheds .
  15. 2 points
    Good stuff! It’s funny how so many people still allow their taste buds to completely block the facts which are presented to them regarding meat industry. They go to extents such quoting bani to justify their choice of diet. Deep down everyone knows what is the right stance to take on meat, but the weakness to fall to their desires can overpower any rational thought.
  16. 2 points
    Why would I spend time making sure my grammar and spelling is perfect for people like you? Unlike you I have a life outside these forums where you spend your entire day and night loitering around. Hoping to score brownie points against people innocentley looking for advice on gupt section. As someone who has studied pyschology. Hence I have an in-depth knowledge on the phychie of people just from reading a few of their posts. You are self projecting and saying exactly what you do yourself and trying to expel these actions onto others. Hence your the one who bookmarks porn. Your the one who is not married. Your the one who is sexually depraved. Your the one that engages in filth and depravity. You may be able to deceive youngsters on here. but you will never decieve me. I can read you and each member on here like a book. Anyway this will be my last post on this topic. As seems like you could not take an innocent joke. Your obviously very insecure about yourself.
  17. 2 points
    I wouldn't talk to him like that if I were you. You do know he is 'middle class' don't you? Those people that especially define themselves by their advanced literary knowledge and skills.........
  18. 2 points
    lol Touchy touchy... Did I just got a nerve I wonder? Was just a observation. Using such big words and talking like a guy out of back to the future or some professor. On a forum that hardly requires such kind of complicated talk and jargon. But each to their own. As for your comments about intelligence. I dont think I need to reach such a level to address your intelligence levels compared to mind. Which is far beyond the realm and stratsphere of your comprehension to even scratch the surface of such a figure that if you were reincanated a thousand times you still would not be able to grasp. P.s I'm perfectly aware that Brexit is not a magic wand for UK immigration issues. But it could be a catalyst and avenue for change which is something we are hoping for and not being such a negative and pessimist as yourself. That views life and the world in such a negative way.
  19. 2 points
    Major weakness: a willingness to prioritise other faiths, doctrines, and people above Sikhi via a warped and purposefully skewed interpretation of their own religion. The reasons for doing so are multiple: sometimes it's a result of genuine ignorance; other times it's total cowardice veiled as saintliness stemming from being unable or unwilling to assert Sikh interests as a priority, choosing to use the egalitarian aspects of Sikh teachings to demote ourselves and the collective for the sake of outsiders, viewing the act as a spiritually noble deed that will be rewarded. Another weakness: we have no home of our own. We are scattered around the world, and even our so-called homeland is not in our hands. We're at the mercy of other cultures and religions and people, and that is incredibly damaging for any distinct group of people. Weakness: we are superficial and suffer from short-term-ism. This is unfortunately ingrained in us on a deep level. We don't think ahead but tend to react after the fact when it's too late to affect change. We never learn from the experiences of others, but tend to stubbornly plough ahead and would rather suffer than swallow one's pride and heed the warnings. We also have a Feast or Famine mentality, where people swing from being hard-drinking, drug-abusing fiends one moment, and then a few years later are trying to present an image of unparalleled holiness that's susceptible to collapse at the first sign of trouble. There's an uncomfortable truth that we are only capable of behaving ourselves when we have the sword of Damocles looming over our heads, otherwise we exist for excess and extremes. There's a reason certain sections of our people continue to wish for the return of a powerful Sikh figure to rally the masses, because we cannot police ourselves in times of so-called peace and prosperity. We enjoy being lead and controlled and dominated. Means we don't have to think for ourselves. Last one for today: we ain't loyal.
  20. 2 points
    Rehat is the key to the door of Sachkand. The rehat was required even before 10th Patshahi. The oldest known Sanskrit scriptures mention: kes. The evils of tobacco. The misery of pre marital or extra marital intimacy. The consumption of flesh for satisfy taste buds. Guru Ji’s rehat is not unique to Sikhi. The Khalsa Panth rehat is ancient, ever since the beginning of time...
  21. 2 points
    Bhai Puran Singh. Pingalwara Hospital.
  22. 2 points
    yeah the vedas say earth is flat old hindu paintings with varaha carrying flat earth
  23. 2 points
    I nominate puzzled. Call it fashion police. And everytime u go to india. Take pics of the worst ones. Then do a commentary on it. And give a few tips too. And make sure u keep mentioning that in the west this is camp/gay and laughable. Hopefully it will get thru. I bet you'd get lots of views That can be sikhsangat's contribution to the Panth: Stop panjab and youth from being too camp
  24. 2 points
    What's your deal, bro? You seem to like to post a whole bunch of quotations from various sources without any sort of context. OK, so Col. Steinbach wrote a book. What's your point? What do you make of it? Are you saying that because Steinbach wrote a sentence regarding some things he saw, that applies uniformly to all Sikhs? Secondly, are you making a religious point about Sikhs and meat? If so, state it explicitly. Thanks for the link to the book, though. Very interesting. Also regarding the fact that Maharaja Ranjit SIngh was a profligate drinker, again, what are you trying to prove? That Sikhs should be drunk out of their minds? You do realize that the Sikh kingdom was totally destroyed, and the foundations for its destruction were laid during the Maharaja's time because he failed to set things up like he should have. Does that have anything to do with being a drunkard? Perhaps you ended up proving the exact opposite of your intended point. Thanks for that.
  25. 1 point
    I like puratan shastar Sikh weapons khanda khanjar dagger
  26. 1 point
    This is one of the stupidest posts that I have seen on here. Sikhi is not restricted to one ethnic group. The privilege that you think you are entitled to, just because 150 years ago or whatever someone in your family was amritdhari, is disgusting. At the end of the day, you have a haircut, so whatever you think or say is meaningless. Through your actions you have renounced the Sikh religion. You can identify as whatever you want, but at the the end of the day, you are just another stupid Punjabi jatt (who makes me embarrassed to be jatt)
  27. 1 point
    It's the more recent oppressor so the one before that gets a pass. When India gets taken over by the aliens from Alpha Centauri I am sure the Brits will be looked at more fondly.
  28. 1 point
    at that time ALL gurdwaraey used jot for lighting , some punjabis are so dense ... It is more important to have nagara than shank anyhow . Brahmins did their utmost to reinstate their prejudical treatment of folks when they became willing MAHANTS under British raj and also brought murtian of devtey (the ones that were brought into harmandir Sahib ended up in durgiana mandir I heard .) That is why Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh did morcha against the people running harmandir sahib preventing 'low caste ' sikhs from getting degh or giving degh for blessing. then you had Saka Nankana sahib and saka Guru ka Bagh . They've been trying since time of Guru Nanak Dev ji to subvert our panth.
  29. 1 point
    She was being sly, by implying that our faith specifically and all others are wrong and only hers is right but she wouldn't come and say that directly to your face.She wants to you come to realize that for yourself. It sounds like some passive agressive <banned word filter activated>. She didnt come there to learn something new it sounds like.She made her statement and left it in the open for all around to hear. She's basically saying "I believe this" and your belief doesnt match mine, so what's wrong with your belief. She was there to undermine our faith. You could've responded in some way like : Well if one faith has to be absolutely right then it is ours. Then come up with some examples from her own religion to really throw her off. 1. Christ said on the cross according to the bible that : My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46, KJV) In comparison our 5th Guru read the following shabad when they were giving shaheedi: ਤੇਰਾ ਕੀਆ ਮੀਠਾ ਲਾਗੈ ॥ Your actions seem so sweet to me. ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਦਾਰਥੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਮਾਂਗੈ ॥੨॥੪੨॥੯੩॥ Nanak begs for the treasure of the Naam, the Name of the Lord. You could also bring up 10 patshah doing ucharan of mittar pyare nu after fighting nonstop for days and watching their sons and beloved sikhs at chamkaur sahib give shaheedi. Then you could bring up things that makes sikhi so much more complete than christainity. examples 1. No avtar,prophet has sacrificed their whole family like 10th patshah Abraham who is like a patriach figure for christainity, judaism and islam. God asked Abraham to sacrifice his own son for him through akash bani, but at the last moment with knife in hand to his own son's threat he backed out. He couldn't do it. Only 10th patshah was able to send his own sons into battle by giving them permission when they asked. 2. No avtar prophet has given themselves for shaheedi for the sake of saving another religion like 9th patshah/ 3. 200+ years of history where God himself lived in form of human body through every experience common to us today, so we could look back and learn directly from them and their lessons through history. Whereas Jesus lived for 30 years and so the time frame is shorter. You could've went on and on and kept going deeper and deeper into sikhi, if she wouldn't interrupt you at every word or leave first.
  30. 1 point
    quite genuine what? genuinely manipulative yep
  31. 1 point
    Might sound shallow but with youngsters today I think a lot is to do with whose doing the parchar. If the person is younger 20s 30s dresses well, good looking, has charisma then that probabaly works better among youngsters. Also they need to speak in a way that young people can relate to, if you speak the queens english and use fancy words or talk like a uncle then these youngsters will lose concentration fast, you need to sound a bit more common. Need to dress normal as well or wear bana wearing a checked shirt or jumper ain't gnna work. Person doing parchar needs to have an edge and be relatable. Also if you have a bit of a past, messed around abit and then came on the right path that will make it more relatable, people like hearing these stories.
  32. 1 point
    That is probably due to the all the over weight desi's and their astronomical amount of luggage they take on with them. lol I've flown on various airlines to India. From my experience Virgin are the best and have good meal selection. Emrites are not bad either. I flew to India 20 years ago on Gulf airlines.and had stopover in Bahrain. From my memory it was actually quite good. Never flown again with them so not sure what they are like now. Probably have improved. The movie was good back them it was like a big screen. At the front. Now everyone has their own little screens. Only issue with flying middle Eastern airlines is you don't know where your money is going and to fund what kinda things in Muslim countries. It's best to go on a western airline.
  33. 1 point
    Hello admin and moderators bai ji , i dont know what was my password, i tried to ForgotPasswrd but i dont remember my email either. i am already logged in on my phone but I can’t login to my laptop. Also if i reset this phone my tinkerbell acnt will not login again how can i find my password, can anyone of u send me in my personal msg or some other method thanks
  34. 1 point
    In Kalyug only the naam given by Guru Nanak Patshah will save you. Other names of Vaaheguru are from the other yugs which can be chanted however, Vaaheguru is the Gurmantar for kalyug. Sabh Tai Vada Satgur Nanak Jin kal Rakhi Meri Guru Nanak is the greatest of all; he saved my honour in this dark age of Kali Yuga. - Guru Granth Sahib Jee ang 750
  35. 1 point
    This is only focused on western sikhs. S: we are mostly panjabi/Indian. So we share the same language, background and geographical issues.we mostly believe in similar things. Compare to muslims and Christians our problems are more narrow. We have these massive gurdwara everywhere. And gurdware were used by gaddars in 1900s to collect funds and support independence as well as 1984 support.Also most sikhs want sikhs to be United. And it is easy to spot patterns and judge people. We have two tiers of people: The professionals doctors, lawyers ppl in offices/retail, teachers; businessmen store owners, gas owners; and labor ppl truck drivers, construction workers. The citizens and the illegals. The 4th generation vs the freshies. The amritdharies (religious) vs monas (nonreligious). The traditional vs modern. The missionary vs orthodox. Rural vs urban. Jatt vs non jatt. Panthic centered vs self centered. Materialistic vs spiritual. Most panjabi are either hard working or have enough social support from family that won't end up as losers. In america there is a growth of coach potato sons who just play video games. Parents will just marry them to RN nurse from india and they set for life. And there won't be any incels due to arranged marriage. W: because we r mostly panjabi. There are no resources for nonpanjabis. But they are growing slowly. Each tier only thinks about themselves they dont empathize with the other. And we hate the opposite side that we dehumanize them. Citizens look down on illegals and take advantage of them. Amritdharis stick to themselves. Monas think we r radicalizing the youth and are too backwards. Parchaar is geared toward turning ppl amritdhari or talking to sikhs. Typical panjabi parents are only worried abt their children education and wealth. While sikh family only care about bana and what ppl will say without giving their kids a wholesome childhood and enough experience to live in the world freely. Also most sikhs want sikhs to be United but for all sikhs to be the same and follow them. O: sikhs mostly anywhere are ready to follow a leader that makes sense and believes similar to them. Like bhai jugraj singh. So if we could have a leader that everyone thinks is on their side. But addresses issues of everyone, it will help unite the Panth. We have a chance. Also if we could do something about fixing panjab. Like starting businesses there. Like a waste management business. Providing filtered water. Solar panels etc If we could have parchaariks that address the materialistic and spiritual aspect. That would solve problems. If we could have parchaariks for sehajdharies sikhs. That said you dont want to keep hair or take amrit, fine. But then what makes you sikh? You must do these things at least to call yourself sikh without fraud:. Japji sahib daily. 5 mins required simran. Dharm di Kirat. No selling alcohol etc. 5% daswandh. Basically our parchaariks focus so much preaching on what sikhs cant do. That no one explains what sikhs do, what sikhs are. We need to build up loyalty. The only way to do that is to get sikhs to realize the issues each hbk is facing and help address them. That will build up a sense of community instead of competition. In the olden days, even non amritdharis stayed away from smoking, drinking, and had character. T: No difference of opinion allowed. No discussions allowed. If the dasam granth debate had happened peacefully, so many ppl would have learned more. Instead we just ban ppl and get emotional. We retaliate with the sword when the pen is mightier. We need to bring back the sikhi intellectual culture where debate was allowed and ambiguity was taught. Like in our teekas it says some say This sakhi happened here while other say at this place. Because of this we are in danger of becoming too easily controllable and flammable. Ppl get tired of protesting dhundha then darshan Singh then dhadrianwala Stop hating and loving politicians. Yes badal huni are corrupt. So will be the next person who sits there. America can still run with a trump in office. Why cant we just use the politicians we have. Why do we got to boycott them and lose our control over them? When we protested rajoana, badal huni went to central govt to ask for clemency. As long as they do what we want, fine. Dont get so personal with them If we dont let the more liberal and modern sikhs join in the discussion. They will become coconut, convert. Our gurudware are becoming emptier. Youth engagement is low. If gurudware had like a kids day with langar but then also debate about is abortion allowed, are LGBTQ ppl, what threats we face from Christians and muslims, is sikhi spiritual?. And had a panel from both sides with a formal debate and voting at the end. . Engagement from the youth would go up. Biggest threat is losing our homeland. From emigration. And foreign immigration.
  36. 1 point
    Problem you have is the Dogras as well as the betrayal by some of those monarchs on the other side of Sutlej river. By 1857, there was no longer any effective leader. When it came to a choice between return to Mughal rule and the Brits we Sikhs chose the Brits. It was those rebel Hindu and Muslim soldiers that allowed the Brits to get foothold in the first place. If Indian Unity was so important, Brits would never been able to get a foothold. Context is everything.
  37. 1 point
    Haha wow that's a pretty good assessment on our weaknesses especially on our peoples excesses on intoxicants or appeasement but what about the other categories? (strengths, opportunities, threats?). I would also say lack of unity and lack of parchar in the home and to outsiders is a major weaknesses. However I believe as many weaknesses we have as a faith community that we may have at the moment we have just as many strengths and punch way above our weight in terms of our numbers being only 30 million world wide. We are able to change global and national political landscape by good or bad actions when we are really pushed against the edge because we have people that are taught by gurbani to not take oppression, be hard workers, be charitable and be self-reliant and sovereign in thought (do not blindly follow like a sheep).
  38. 1 point
    Ideally yes that would have been best for all concerned. Sikhs would have had their nation sovereign state in all probability. Only problem was the Sikh princely states (patiala, jind, faridkot, nabha) which were under the British protectorate, were allied with the British imperialist occupiers and thus lent their Sikh soldier manpower to the British empire's war efforts in Europe. Had they collectively rebelled against the british in occupying punjab they would have had their freedom back to rule as they wish and safeguarded the Sikh kaum's future so no partition of punjab sikh homeland and no sikh genocide in 1947. With the lack of manpower supplied to the british war efforts in europe then the british allied forces would have lost key divisive battles against the opposition german allied forces and overrun and invaded by them. England would be under german occupation either by the german kaiser imperial forces during ww1 or hitler's nazi foot-soldiers had world war 2 have to have been played out. The British white historians and establishment down play the role of the Sikh and foreign commonwealth soldiers in both world wars they do not want to acknowledge the supreme sacrifices these men made for someone else's war because it doesn't suit their narrative.
  39. 1 point
    You've been told ? Behave yourself, I said thank you and subliminally trying to threaten me, it's ok take care pal.
  40. 1 point
    So easy to speak about situations you never been through, however I accept your kind words Waheguru
  41. 1 point
    Sunny is a strange fellow, I've met him a few times over the years (this is going back way before BOS was formed, when Jagraj was in the Army) and have met him recently, I'm not defending Sunny, I don't agree with pretty much 99% of what he says but he's a "Journalist" so he'll say what he can to get a story or do an editorial. While i understand all the hate for Sunny, I personally don't think there's any point judging the documentary before it air's, Bhai Jagraj Singh played a huge part in countless lives, mine included, his talk's inspired a generation to come towards Sikhi and did what pretty much none of us could only but dream of doing, if even 1% of that is relayed in this documentary then it may inspire others.
  42. 1 point
    What? Really? Seriously, though, I have to constantly remind myself to figure out whether what you're saying pertains to you specifically, or it's a point that you're making, lol.
  43. 1 point
  44. 1 point
    Dharmic faiths such as Sikhism, Hinduism and Buddhism are gaining imence popularity in the west. It is something that Islam hates to see. So many white people follow dharmic practices. Many have Buddha statues which Muslims detest. Concepts such as Karma, yoga and spirituality are admire by white people. They are starting to realise there is a big difference between dharma and Abrama
  45. 1 point
    just because a goray wrote something doesn't make it true Ernest Trump wrote Guru ji was repetitive , irrelevant and not worth reading , that It is NOT divinely sourced , did that make the A right and Sikhi wrong. The whole machine of British invasion was designed to trash every aspect of Sikh kingdoms life, political and administrative might , truth was it was reknowned worldwide as being the most rich kingdom with peaceful, effective administration with protections against famine , illiteracy, inumeracyfor every citizen, religious harmony and tolerance .
  46. 1 point
    yo mate... learn to be poetic and write romantic stuff. be a bit more literate if you need to express your feelings through text/instant message...
  47. 1 point
    No, hes a Nihang Singh.
  48. 1 point
    Plus, we dont wear 'patke' wen we go to bed, its either Dastaar or Keski!
  49. 1 point
    Full stop, its against Sikhi. Sikhs aren't supposed to smoke anything, or drink liquor. Would you do it front of Guru Granth Sahib?
  50. 1 point
    Only fake nihangs do this 'nangs' which most have become theses days,the only link with nihangs and weed is that it was mixed with herbs and used as an antiseptic on wounds and cuts from battle,what most nihangs do these days is anit gurmat,this very topic is being discussed on this link right now http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=24251&st=0 all the ansewers are there


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