chatrik

Use your "bibek budhi"...do a research on Rehitnameh's written by Gursikhs from Guru Gobind Singh Maharajs time. Guru Sahib says in Gurbani: kabeer saakat sang na keejee-ai dooreh jaa-ee-ai bhaag. Kabeer, do not associate with the faithless cynics; run far away from them. baasan kaaro parsee-ai ta-o kachh laagai daag. ||131|| If you touch a vessel stained with soot, some of the soot will stick to you. ||131|| The article above just says a Rehitvaan Gursikhs should not consume food prepared by a NIGURA(faithless cynic).... BUT... In the Gurbani line above Guru Sahib clearly say we should not even do the sangat of a NIGURA... So you will show this attitude>>> <<< to Guru Sahib too? Guru Sahib clearly says in the line above that we should stay away from NIGUREY/SAKATS... taking food prepared by such people is just out of the question.

1.I find it quite INSULTING that you refer to such people as "SINGH".BHai Taru SIngh had to sacrifice his khopree to not have his hair removed.He was a true SIngh of Guru Gobind SIngh Sahib Maharaj.How can you classify such people as Singhs then? 2.Whatever breed of humans they are, they are not Sikhs neither are they singh's of Dasam Pita jee.

^^^ is right.....keshi ishnaan is only done with water everyday... shampoo only 2 times a week..... and you aply oil EVERDAY in the morning...

may guru sahib keep you HUMBLE and filled with LIMITLESS love and FAITH for Guru Sahib's feet. keep up the sewa, piare phen jee, Guru Sahib is with you:)

pa-orhee chhurhkee fir haath na aavai ahilaa janam gavaa-i-aa. ||1|| He misses the step of the ladder, and this opportunity will not come into his hands again; his life is wasted, uselessly. ||1|| doojaa bhaa-o na day-ee liv laagan jin har kay charan visaaray. The love of duality does not allow him to lovingly focus his attention on the Lord; he forgets the Feet of the Lord. (ang 796)

Dass partially doesn't agree that statement above about 3ho. Dass, has sent you a PM..read it

vaheguroojekakhalsavaheguroojekefateh! Dear sister, Sikhism is not a religion, but a way of life.To develope yourself spiritually and to become worthy of UNION with the creator of the Universe, that is VAHIGUROO. But, Sikhism is very hard to earn, in this game of love we have sell ourselves to Guru Sahib to be come worthy of Keerpa(mercifull blessing). If you are Still intrested, then Feel free to contact me at the following email address. <piyasi_chatrik@hotmail.com> Satnam

Phen jee, Only Guru Sahib has the medicine for all our problems.Tell me one thing, have you ever said this to Guru Sahib before: "Guru jeee, talk to me!I need your guidence...I need you to hold my hand" (say it from your heart,have faith,sincerely and humbly...you will be amazed!) The fact is we never wanted Guru jee to talk to us and advice.... Why would Guru Sahib talk to you in the first place , when we don't even want to talk to Him? Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj, most of us consider Him a book...then Maharaj is just a book for you.. Guru sahib still till today talks directly to his Sikhs throguh Gurbane, He knows what is in our heart... we just tend to ignore... Many people post their problems on this forum... How can you expect people, who BY THEMSELF face problems in life to give a perfect advice? Guru Sahib is perfect, and only Guru Sahib can give us a perfect advice. Poreey Ka Kee-aa Sabh Kich Poraa, Ghat Vadh Kichh Nahee.(pg.1412,mahalla 1) All that the perfect Lord does is perfect,there is not to little or to much. This is the last post by dass. Satnam

loll u learnt anythin religious though? No...when it comes to gurmat, I have not learned anything here. why?? Before dass replies to your question, Dass will admit that I am just one of those who use to get into these endless debates, endless sarcasm towards each other, hurting each others feelings through harsh word, endless ego, everthing negetive in dass was endless.(and still is) Lets face a fact that, that most of the people who visit this forum are manmukhs(slaves of their mind).Guru Sahib says: NIGURAY KA-O GHAT KAA-EE NAHEE.(pg.361) There is no salvation for those who have no Guru. (we only become Guru wale when ACCEPT and EARN Guru Sahibs teachings) Only, he/she is a Gurmukh who holds Guru Sahibs teaching dear their heart and "tries" to follow it. Now many will say that, "who are you to judge other?you consider your self a gurmukh?" and their attacks will continue. My point above can be proved if you just look through the whole forum: Endless debates(has any of the debates on this forum EVER came to a conclusion?...ussually most are just locked by the admin) Endless insults againts each other.Manmukhs againts manmukhs is something ussual. Even Gursikhs on this forum are NOT spared, who try to stand by Gurmat and preach its message are insullted and made fun of and are called "fanatics" and other names. When a Gursikh with Gurmat oriented views goes into a debate they are attacked atleast by 10 manmukhs who seem to glorify their MANMAT(views of the evil mind) views. Because of this many gursikhs(who are in love with naam) who use to post on this forum have stopped coming so. The only reason many people reason visit this forum is to catch up with the latest Gossip,latest Debate(they have fun looking at people making fun of themself),latest Jatheybandee bashing and the list continues. How many of us, before we type the url "www.sikhsangat.com" actual say this to ourselves, "I wonder is there any new gurmat article posted on the forum for me to read" . This always comes to my mind when I visit www.tapoban.org.(not promoting any jatha...only Gurmat) Dass alway hopes that Veer Kulbir singh or Veer Balpreet singh has posted some new Gurmat article, some of these article invokes love in us for Guru Sahib. Many of those article teach us to love Guru Sahib UNCONDITIONALLY, I hardly see such articles/post here. .(yes, tapoban forum too is not perfect either....with all the senseless debates...yet there is Gurmat and some amazing posters on that forum.Because Tapoban admins monitor all the posts which are submitted) Just go through any post related to gurbane/gursikhi discussion under GURBANI | GURSIKHI | REHAT section.How vigourously active is it compared to the GENERAL | WHAT'S HAPPENING? and other sections??? A BIG MAJORITY of the post on this forum have nothing to do with NAAM.Sikhi is all about Naam.Guru Sahib clearly say: Nanak Kai Ghar Kewal Naam.(pg1136) Nanak's home is filled with NAAM, NAAM of the Lord. Why Naam is so IMPORTANT?Guru Sahib answers this in Gurbanee: ਵਿਣੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਸਾਬਾਿਸ ॥੩॥੩੨॥ vin naavai naahee saabaas Without the NAAM, no one is approved. 332 Anything other than naam is VAIN and EGO(haumei) talk. what is the purpose of life?What is YOUR purpose in life?(ponder on this question for a while before you proceed) When Sikhs are not intouch with Gurbane and Naam they are not intouch with Guru Sahib.Even if they are amritdhares.Thats why there is no EKTA on this forum. This explains a lot about the KALYUG effect on this forum is at its height.P This forum is called "SIKH SANGAT". Go through Sree Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj from page 1 till the end, ALL is just about Naam. If this forum doesn't educate and bring users of this forum closer to Naam then this forum has nothing much to do with Sikhi and has FAILED(when it comes to naam). Many people would say they have learned A LOT about Sikhi from this forum, Dass says they have NOT eventhough they will DISAGREE with dass. If yess, they have learned anything... Have we left any of our bad habits(gossip,cursing,dishonesty) which are againts Gurmat? Have we started to keep a regular simran routine daily? Guru Sahib says: Prab Ka Simran Sabh Tay Oucha.(pg. 232) The remembrance of God is the HIGHEST and MOST EXALTED of all. Have we increased our concentration of Naam Simran? Have we increased the amount of bani we read? Have we started to keep amrit wela? Have we started to keep rehit? Have we made a point to do sewa at our local Gurughar?(Even Guru Arjan Dev Sahib jee use to do JOREAA(footwear) di sewa of Sangat...what sewa do we do to make Guru Sahib mercifull on us?) Has our LOVE for Guru Sahib GROWN? If NOT even one of the things mentioned above we have LEARNED and ADOPTED by coming to this forum....then this forum is a failure. Thats the reason dass says that dass has not learnt anything. Phen jee KarKirpaWaheguru jee, Its not How much we have learned today matters..... What is the use of learning if we don't change our ways? Its how much we have LEARNED, ADOPTED and PRACTICED matters. Guru Sahib says clearly: Karni Bajhuh Tarey Na Koi.(pg. 952) Without righteousness and GOOD ACTIONS, no one will cross over. There is only one website on the net which I see as 100% Gurmat. That is: http://abhiyaas.blogspot.com/ (the gurmukh who use to work on this blog, doesn't post anymore sadly) It promotes... 1 Panth:Khalsa Panth 1 Jatheybandee:Naam Abhyasee's 1 Guru:Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj.

loll u learnt anythin religious though? No...when it comes to gurmat, I have not learned anything here.

Love and physical relationship with your spouse it something NORMAL accordint to gurmat.When you are already married to your singh/singhni. otherwise: a Sikh should consider all women who are elder than him as his MOTHERS, same age as him as SISTERS, and those younger than him as his DAUGHTERS! Whether they are Sikhs,Hindus, Muslim, Jew or of any other background it is a MUST for a Sikh to respect all of them as mentioned above.(and should only and only love his wife)….the same applies for Sikh women too!

Sinfull animals commenting on Gurmat. There is only one animal in this world who hurts others "intentionally", and this animal is known as man. ~a wise gurmukhs words dass once heard~ this forum has the lamest breed of people I have ever seen.Only such people hurt other people's feeling, those who don't have Naam on their rasna(tounge). The purpose of the post is to bring ourselves closer to Naam by avoiding Lustfull thoughts.... Atleast this Bibi with keerpa of Guru Sahib is working on her Jeewan, with Guru Sahib keerpa may she and everyone who follows Naam Marag is liberated by Guru Sahib. Those who made fun of this bibi,I am sure such people will lose this Game of Life and will be thrown into the cycle of birth and death AGAIN and AGAIN. Eventho I don't agree with 1 or 2 of the points... ( the article below taken from another forum) This is what Gurmat teaches us: Here are some references from Sree Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj jee and also from Vara of Bhai Gurdass jee: Dekh Perayea Changea, Mava Bhenna Dhea Janey. Look at other womens with Good intention, Consider them as your Mothers, Sisters and Daughters. (Vara Bhai Gurdass jee) In the above pangtee Bhai Gurdass jee clearly states that a Sikh should consider all women who are elder than him as his MOTHERS, same age as him as SISTERS, and those younger than him as his DAUGHTERS! Whether they are Sikhs,Hindus, Muslim, Jew or of any other background it is a MUST for a Sikh to respect all of them as mentioned above.(and should only and only love his wife)….the same applies for Sikh women too! In Gurbanee too it is clearly stated: Par Tari-a Roop Na Paykhay Naytar. Our eyes should NOT gaze upon the beauty of others! (Ang 274, Gauree Sukhmani,Mahalla:5) The above line comes in Sree Sukhmani Sahib and it CLEARLY states that it is FORBIDDEN to too look at the beauty of the opposite sex with ill intentions.

I second that :e: . Delhi smagam is a must go! :umm:

what if it is used to target young girls or boy by some "sick" pervert with ill intentions, just like in yahoo chatroom?

dass remembers asking him him about it....and I still remember his answer.btw...will ask him again when I meet him ..but...dass clearly remember he said he doesn't take any kind of meat.(if he has started now ...then I would have a talk with him on this matter :nihungsmile: )

Whoever this so called Sikh was,he was a misguided one.As he would have not attended any lecture by such misguided person. If indeed he was a Sikh then he would have answer her as below: " 1:Piarey Guru Arjan Dev Sahib Maharaj did not give Guruship to Guru Granth Sahib at that time because Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Maharaj was to add more Bani during his time and also a salok by Guru Gobind Singh Sahib maharaj itself! 2:Before the Guruship can be given to Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj, Guru Gobind Singh Sahib maharaj was to introduce a new way of baptism to the Panth. To replace the Charan Pahul to Khandey ke Pahul as Guruship would soon be givent to Jugu Jug ATAL Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj "

Veer Wadhbhag Singh is not a Sikh from birth.He was born into a Chinese family in Indonesia.Came to know more on Sikhi when he was in Singapore.His story of becoming a Sikh is very inpiring! A Guru Piara indeed blessed by Guru Sahib...and yea...he isn't one of those who believe in Jhatka and Bhang.He is also a keertani...dass have heard him...very blessed by Guru Sahib.Here you have it....a Chinese NIHANG!There is also another Chinese Bibi in Singapore who keeps keski Rehit...she looks awesome in her dastar.

what a mess!No matter what the reason was behind the girls conversion, WHAT A MESS! Her one act of changing her faith, made hundreds of people without a life excited for NO REASON!again..WHAT A MESS!

who was baba isher singhs successor?

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