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what exactly is a Kirpan. how can one tell what is and what is not a kirpan. does it have to be a certan length and style. would a kartar be considered a kirpan is any shastar a kirpan. are kirpans meant just for show or should they be usefull too, can someone have one on there kanga. would really like to know. thanks

here is an article about a sikh standing up for dalits i think the tensions between dalits and others is one of the biggest things the panth needs to deal if sikhi is to survive otherwise the deras will take over has any body heard more about this sikh. has anyone heard his music The Dalit sword of Mansa Singer and rebel Bant Singh has inspired a new empowerment movement of Dalits and landless farmers in Punjab – and the state’s feudal remnants have taken notice. by | AMIT SENGUPTA Lakshaman Anand "I want to go and sing and campaign and rally the poorest of the poor. I want to work 30 days of the month, perhaps stay for two days in my village and then travel, meet people, hold rallies and mobilise the poor. I want to do things quickly and not wait eternally. I want my people to be liberated. I am becoming impatient. I want to walk. I want to walk. I want to run. Just help me a bit, I will show you I can run.” Bant Singh, his two lower-arms and one leg gone, is sitting in the Mansa Civil Hospital, a torso flaming with anger and celebration. He laughs and jokes like a little boy as he cajoles his wife, Harbans Kaur, to make nimbu paani for his visitors. He takes calls on a cell phone given to him by friends, urging, “Carry on the fight, I’ll be there the moment the doctors let me be.” His wife and his eldest daughter, Baljeet, say they want to help Bant Singh with his political work among the region’s Dalits – making them aware of their rights, fighting for justice – because this is “the path he has chosen”. It is a path that has led to Baljeet’s rape, and the brutal loss of Bant’s arms and leg. But it is also one that has led to a new sense of empowerment for many of Punjab’s most oppressed communities. Bant Singh is a Majhabi Sikh Dalit, a rebel and a singer who had long rendered ballads of dissent, breaking historical taboos. In his village of Burj Jhabber in Mansa District of Punjab state, he has been something of an invisible legend – while people may have been afraid to follow him, many were nonetheless drawn to Bant, perhaps believing that his path could lead to Dalit liberation. Mansa is situated in the once-prosperous Malwa region. Stories stalk the landscape here of thousands of debt-ridden farmers who have committed suicide, consuming the same pesticide that has contributed to the failure of their crops. Drug and alcohol addiction is rampant, female foeticide is almost a norm and violence simmers in the by-lanes. Activists argue that these social conditions are a recipe for a leftwing revolution, or else the reassertion of a Khalistan-type rightwing ideology. Expensive irreverence Burj Jhabber offers the archetypal situation of the position Dalits hold in Indian society. Here, as in most villages, not a single Dalit family owns land. Government funds for Dalit upliftment are usurped by the upper-caste members of village panchayats. The local Dalits live in small mud-and-thatch huts, and toil as either daily wage labourers or bonded labour for pay far below minimum wage. Dalits are also often forced into debt traps; many women work under the begari system, whereby they try to pay back small loans through years of hard labour. In this relatively prosperous village, Dalits are exiled to a corner that has no water, no health centres, schools or toilets. If any Dalit deigns to lodge a protest or refuses to work under such conditions, the landlords have an announcement made from the local gurudwara: No Dalit man, woman or child will be allowed to make ablutions in any part of the village. It is because such a system makes protest nearly impossible that Bant Singh is such an aberration. He had refused to work in the landlord’s fields, instead starting a piggery and a small poultry farm, and selling toys in nearby villages. He also refused to go to the local gurudwaras, where he said Dalits were humiliated; when he visited the neighbouring villages’ gurudwaras, he would bring back the leftovers of the langars (communal kitchens) to feed his pigs. He took those pigs to the landlords’ farms, to the village pond, to the local veterinary clinic, to the fields where the Jat Sikh kids played cricket; in each place, he would refuse to move when told to do so. Bant Singh even took on the landlord’s goons, who would loiter in the Dalit ghetto, eve-teasing young women. Such actions directly challenged the fundamentals of dogmatic, feudal history, and the landlords were fully intimidated. For a while, Bant Singh worked with the Bahujan Samaj Party, a political group founded to represent those disenfranchised by the caste system. He subsequently became involved with a variety of political fronts before finally joining the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Liberation, the aboveground Naxalite organisation that began working with the poorest of the rural Bihari poor in the early 1970s, and also took on the region’s landlords. The CPI (ML) Liberation now has six MLAs in the Bihar Assembly, and is strong in and around Mansa as well, although the group had expanded to Punjab prior to Bant Singh’s involvement. But Bant Singh’s biggest ‘crime’ came later, when he successfully organised small-scale and landless farmers – particularly Dalits – of 12 villages in a mass organisation called Mazdoor Mukti Morcha (MMM). In the face of his successful membership drive, in June 2002, the area’s landlords began to wage a nasty counter-war. That was when they had Baljeet raped. Bant Singh fought back. “This was no time to turn back,” he recalls. “We had to find justice, at any cost.” He organised protests, the CPI (ML) Liberation led a resistance movement, and the area villages were galvanised in solidarity. But although the rapists were arrested and jailed, the intervention by the law did not endthe matter. In early January 2006, as Bant Singh was cycling home after an MMM membership drive, he was attacked. While the perpetrators – young heirs to landlords and lackeys of village sarpanchs – did not want to kill him, they did want to send a clear message to anyone else in the region who would dare to defy the feudal code. After covering Bant’s hands and legs with several layers of cloth, the attackers used cast-iron handles of hand-pumps to break each of his limbs. Bant Singh says that he beseeched his attackers, “Kill me, but don’t leave me like this.” To this they demanded, “So, will you ever again tell the boys not to loiter in the Dalit areas when your girls are around?” Later, the thugs called a former sarpanch, and told him to go find Bant Singh where they had left him in the fields. The man rushed Bant to the 25 km-distant hospital, but the doctor refused to touch him without first being paid INR 1000. By the time the money was collected, gangrene had set in. Bant Singh ultimately had to loose both of his lower arms and his left leg. Inquilabi The resistance began. The CPI (ML) Liberation, together with 14 other organisations, led mass protests. The story of Bant Singh spread from village to village, and the Dalit rebel became a living legend in Punjab. For many, his struggle for dignity seemed to move beyond the clichés of political discourse, becoming instead an essay on humanity and liberation. Bant Singh became an icon of Dalit resistance, and the landlords retreated as the poor advanced. Bant Singh’s assailants were arrested and jailed. The Punjab government gave him INR 10 lakh, and ordered the suspension of the doctor who had refused to treat him. His children, among the rare Dalit children who go to school, would not have been able to stay in class without a wage earner, but have now been allowed to remain. Bant receives hundreds of visitors every day at the hospital; they come to see him, talk to him, listen to his ideas, hear his revolutionary songs. The Mazdoor Mukti Morcha has also become a force to reckon with, taking up individual cases of atrocity and exploitation. “We won’t take it lying down anymore,” says Roop Singh, a village elder in Burj Jhabber. “We want the money that the government allots to us, which the landlords usurp. We want space in the gurudwara. We want equal wages for men and women.” The new dynamic has also led to a situation in Punjab similar to Bihar’s syndrome of militia violence. There are confirmed reports that wherever the movement of landless, small-scale farmers and Dalits is becoming strong – as in Mansa District – landlords are creating private vigilante armies along the lines of Bihar’s Ranvir Sena. Recently, large landowners held a meeting to discuss how to counter the movement inspired by Bant Singh. But the Dalits are ready, says activist Jasbir Kaur: “History moves in predictable cycles. And we are here to change history. The Dalits have suddenly realised that they too can walk with their heads high.” Bant Singh smiles when he talks of history. “History is in our hands,” he notes. “My life is in my hands. My people’s life is in our hands. If we don’t fight back and demand our rights and identities, we are doomed. We have no option but to dream.” Then he sings a song by the legendary folksinger Sant Ram Udasi, his guru and idol. Bant Singh – who has come to be known as Inquilabi, a nickname referring to the revolutionary legend he has become – sings in a soft, lilting melody, his eyes like a forest in flames, his body still, his half-arms moving like a warrior’s sword. He sings: Brave brothers, you must struggle for your rights. Mother Earth, Bring them back from your womb again; Give birth to them in this land, Where they will come from the slaughterhouses And the spits of history With the hope of humanity. link to article and a very sad picture of him http://www.himalmag.com/2006/october/profile.htm

where can i get one?? any where that sells quality knifes. so its no a kirpan then what is a kirpan?

does any one know the history of how the other takhts were decided and how they came to be. i know for sure that akal takht was established by guru hargobind but i dont know much about the others.

where can i get one?? any where that sells quality knifes.

Would Sarbloh be in the same category in the eyes of God? Why/Why not? thats a good question. i think sarbloh is a metaphor for god so by using sarbloh one will remember gods strength but in that same vein of thought one could say that wearing rudraksha would remind you of how complex gods creation is because one can not create a rudraksha but one can easily find ways to break steal. but i dont think that just the act of wearing sarbloh will gain you any favour with waheguru. i don't see how it can but i am by far no gyani.

i usually clip a small foldable kirpan to my shorts much more secure than in dastar plus i where patka for sports so it wouldnt fit

every body likes to talk and act like tough guys on the internet, it really has no effect in the real scheme of things. that guy is probably just some pre-teen who dosnt know what he's talking about.

doesnt a sikh need to get UP during amritvela as oppose to going to sleep in amritvela

the cheese isnt actually non-veg because there is no meat in it they just use the animal stomich to get the bacteria once the bacteria is in the milk it multiplys on its own. so if your worried about eating meat you arnt when your eating cheese but if your worried about supporting the slaughtering of animals then thats different and you should check your cheese and maybe consider going vegan or just baying ethical dairy product would probably be the best choice. as far as the alcohol dont worry about it cuz ethenol isnt what is bad, becoming intoxicated is what is bad

So all it is for a Sikh is a mala with loads of weird patterned beads on it. Out of curiosity, what are those weird patterns for on the Rudraksh beads anyway? they arent weird patterns Rudraksha are a nut that grows on tree's. the smaller it is the more valuable they are, some can be very very expensive if they are very small. there is nothing wrong if a sikh wheres a mala made out of them because we know that nuts from a tree have no spiritual significants in the eyes of god. the only reason i can think of why people wouldnt want to wear them is so that unknowledgable people dont see them and think you are hindu. its kinda of like wearing green, there is nothing wrong with wearing green except that people might think you are muslim because green is a muslim color but if that isnt a problem than by all means wear green

XD mussulmen try so hard. that was the weakest evidence against sikhi i have ever read, and obviously written by someone who has little knowledge of SGGS. if one wanted to they could find plenty of contradictions and conflicts with science in the koran but we are not here to waste are time proving others beliefs are wrong but to reach waheguru though the knowledge he has granted us by giving us gurbani.

if you neglect air resistance than all objects will fall at the same speed so you are correct about that i think you read my post wrong i said if you shoot the gun parallel to the ground not to shoot the gun into the ground. . . . . > . . . bullet dropped lands here . ............................................................ ....... . bullet shot from gun lands here ___________________________________________________________________ ground both bullets will hit the ground at the same time :closedeyes:

the fly keeps moving forward because it already has inertia. that is why if the bus suddenly stops you will fly forward because your body is still moving at the speed the bus was moving at. also if the bus accelerates you will be pushed to the back of your seat because your body is at rest and the bus is moving. on the topic of physics: if you shoot a gun parallel to the ground and at the same time drop a bullet from the same height of the gun both bullets will hit the ground at the same time! try it some time, well not with a gun but with a rock or something

cuba has other places to go to trade. some of its major trading partners are Canada, China, Russia, Spain, Venezuela, Italy, Mexico,Netherlands. and the us is not blocading cuba it just doesnt trade with cuba. blocade implys that we are stopping all trade going in and out of cuba this is simply not true. if the US lifted the embargo cuba's government would not last long. castro's regieme thrives off of blaming america for there problems if anything goes wrong in cuba it is always the US fault never the gallient Fidel, and if some one said other wise they would go to jail. yes america, and canada do have problems but at least we can talk about the problems and try to make a change. as soon as the embargo goes so does fidels government. check out this video yes competition can go to far but the great thing is that nobody makes you go to or work at wall mart. please answer me one question if you lived in cuba and talked about cuba the way you talk about the USA, honestly what do you think would happen to you?

if the fly is in the bus then it is already moving at the speed the bus is. so evven though to one in the bus it may appear to be hovering it actually is not staying still. if some one on theside of the road looked into the bus they would see the fly fly by

Very good. Yet your neo-conservative ideologies don't seem to be very different than his. First thing I am not a neo-conservative neo-imperialist or what eva. if I was my polemic would be quite different. There is a difference between neo-cons ideologies and capitalist economic policies, a big difference and nowhere have I supported oppressive foreign policies and have repeatedly made clear my stance on the embargo. The Americans have waged continuous war against Cuba. For a state to be under constant threat and attack has an effect on its ability to progress and develop. Look at how Americas economy has suffered since 9/11, now add another 50+ years and you have Cuba. Imagine if American coastal borders were surrounded by army ships of another country that hated it.. and it controlled what was allowed to leave and enter now again imagine 50 years of that, how do you think America would do economically? America’s economy is bad because are president is a tard and started a ridicules war. I have answered majority of your questions and used the country you live in as an example to demonstrate a comparison of a capitalist state. There are many countries around the world who’s economies are based on the movement of capital that are flourishing havens of peace and prosperity, and human rights. How many communist countries are there that can say the same. Cooperatives are a good idea. if people want to come together and form a cooperative more power to them. we have plenty of cooperatives in the states although they are on a much smaller scale then in communist countries, I try to buy from and support cooperatives when I get the chance and would love to see more of them. however when the government mandates every industry into a cooperative the out come has never been as great as it might sound. And who do these cooperatives sell there goods to if there is no market? Langer is great but I don’t want the government to tell me I have to eat langer every day and that I have to do seva everyday( that would not be seva). Well, lets look at the capitalist system and investigate how this often plays out. The corporation wants to decrease the its prices, yet it wants to increase profit, what does the corporation do? The corporation minimizes its production costs, by lowering wages, working conditions, and environmental and corporate responsibility. You are right! that is why the government needs to step in and make regulations, and break up monopolies. I have never said I am a complete supporter of laissez faire economics I do think that there should be some regulation but not total control. I think the government should play the role of a referee so that the playing field is fair but individuals can do there own thing. I am also a strong supporter of unions as a way of regulating big businesses. Here is an article regarding the polish workers struggle against communism http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/4559293.stm If it was a capitalist state, which breeds greed and competition, of course then individuals would be conditioned to not care for the benefit of others or collective communal progression. However, when individuals are in a society that is community based, not individualistic. The collective progression does not cause any stagnancy, but concern for collective progression breeds an environment that moves society forward without leaving anyone behind. Wake up and smell the roses. People are naturally selfish and greedy that is why communism has such a bad record. That is why communism needs to be oppressive and why its leaders are egomaniacs. A economy needs competition. Competition is not bad! Competition pushes people to do better. if you want to get stronger it is good to have some one to train with and compete against. it also works for business. Here is an example. the US post office used to have a monopoly on sending mail and it wasn’t very efficient, and it was illegal to send things any other way. When regulation were loosened UPS started and it pushed the envelope if you will and was able to deliver packages better than the post office. Now there are numerious ways to send packages including the government run post office. because all these companies compete with each other it is the people who win because it is now cheaper and faster to send packages. is cuba impoverished i guess poverty is a relative concept. there are around 30 million americans in 'poverty' but these people live better than a lot of middle class people in other countries so it all depends on how you look at it. most communist countries are extreamly poor just compare north korea with south korea. all i can say about cuba is that many people try to leave and that beauracracy causes lots of lines. and yes i have waited in line at the DMV (which is a government agency) DX although people might have just enough of what they need that is all they have. as good as communism sounds in practice it doesnt work plain and simple. cuba does have some good aspects but that is because it is very small so they are able to take care of its people a little better than a larger country regardless of its government. It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. -sir Winston Churchill

viva la 2nd ammendment ))))

Again, a country should not be labelled or exemplified as a communist or socialist state simply because they state they are, but based on what they actually practice. Capitalist Nations have proven that it is murderous, look at the effects it has had on African Nations and the developing word. Ok what would you consider cuba’s government is. totalitarian, communism, socialism, utopian, the best system ever. "when everything is so closely monitered it stiffles inovation and ambitions and inovation and ambitions makes jobs which inturn stimulate the economy so that it is better for all parties. ask any former communist countries. im not a believer in total free markets i think that they should operate under the rule of law and bad business practice should bebrought to justice, but having monitered free markets do the best for all people hince if castro really wanted to do the best for his people he would make reforms." Not sure what exactly you are saying here, you may want to rephrase it and back it up with sources. apparently you know nothing about economics read or take any class on economics and not the economics of karl marx. So I’ll try to make this as clear as possible if I lived in cuba and wanted to start business in cuba I would not be able to. Say I made clothes and I wanted to sell what I made. So I start selling clothes and many people like my clothes so I start selling more, and pretty soon I can no longer keep up with the demand so I hire a few employs, pretty soon I need more space and more employs so I build a factory and hire several hundred workers. So what started from something out of my garage now gives several hundred people jobs. And I am making good money and am living a comfortable life. is it really wrong to try to make ones life better, and shouldn’t I be able to keep what I have earned. in cuba none of this would be possible. Sure you will say something like you don’t need to live comfortably all that matters is that you are alive, or youl say that all the wealth I get from my factory should go to the workers, but why should it all go to the workers, none of them thought of or had the know how to make a clothes factory. They should be treated well and earn a decent wage(that is where the government comes in. But all of my earnings should not go to the government. Because the money that I earn can be reinvested to make another factory and give more people jobs. But say some one else makes a clothes factory and they make better clothes and can sell them for less money than I can. So people start to buy clothes from this other factory. So I have to sell my clothes cheaper and change my business to make it more efficient and improve quality or else I will go out of business. The point I am trying to make is that when some one has a monopoly i.e. the government of cuba they have no reason to not make things better and so they will remain the same. So if everything is centralized it causes the economy to stagnate. I apologize that Fidel Castro is not a Superhuman God and has made mistakes. Happy? yes very XD I have never claimed that the united states <admin-profanity filter activated> smells like roses as you seem to be doing with cuba, in fact I have criticized it openly but you seem to not want to admit that cuba does have faults. Its health care is pretty good and its mortality rates are on par with the US according to the the CIA world fact book https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...ok/geos/cu.html and the world health organization http://www.who.int/en/. If these are not reputable sources please send some links because I am open to learning. All of my arguments are against the so called communist form of government which has been proven to not work very well. Just ask east germany or north korea. yes the US doesnt trade with cuba but many others do and it still remaines a impoverished country. And regarding waiting in line I guess you have never heard of "la cola" which is so common place in cuba And this comes from the right wing, democracy bringers, who are are on crusade for liberating others... Led by one of the greatest war criminals in history. Bring democracy to yourselves before parading it on others. I have never claimed to support the current president of the US or his crusade for “democracy” I think he is one of the worst leaders my country has ever had and that’s saying something. But you did not answer my question about why communism needs to rule with an iron fist. In fact most of the points I have brought up you have not answered instead you have attacked the country I live in. You love affair with cuba appears to be caused by your hatred for america

but then again communism doesnt enslave its people it liberates all the down trodden people LOL and people arnt poor they are just starving for the betterment of every one else LOL why is it that communism doesnt work unless it has a dictator who is worshiped and doesnt alow any form of dissent i know leftest are in love with communism but the truth is communism is the epitome of everything they claim to hate.

from the view of the greater society it usually appears that minority communities have higher rates of crime and people usually think that this is because the comunity supports those who commit crime and do not want to follow tha laws of the country they have adopted. even though most people in these communities are good law abiding citizens the whole comunity will be marked with this stereotype that is why it is important to not support those who commit petty crime and gain a good reputation with the wider population. yes many cops are racist. or if they arent they are still more likely to treat certain minority groups different when theyhave to deal with them. but is that really racism? no it is fear. they are scared of being assaulted so they address the situation differently when dealing with some one of a race who is stitistically more likely to commit a crime or assault on an officer. keep in mind i am assesing the situation in america things might be different in the UK

when is the last time some one got hurt with a sword? laws like this are ridiculas!

our only strength will be is if we stick together if u bother a sijh, a cop shud kno 100 will be behind that one person the entire community shud support any sikh bothered by the police but we need to stick together yes this is true but if someone who claims to be sikh is actually a bad person we should not support them in anyway. do cops in UK carry guns?

the only thing in this article that really puts down Bhindranwale is the part where its says he was a terrorist. but if you look at the situation from the out side he does appear to be a terrorist.

so who is better congress party or BJP the SAD always seems to support BJP is that because indera was in the congress party. it is a possibility that rss supported the sikhs so that sikhs would trust them and then thry could stab us in the back later. yeah the people at the delhi airport are really anoying