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World Sikh Lobby Day 25 - 26th March 2007 has been organised at the United Nations in Geneva, Switzerland. The Programme is: Sunday 25th March Venue: Gurdwara Sahib Switzerland, Langenthal 12-4pm - International Human Rights Conference - with non-Sikh speakers and the international media 6-9pm - Meeting of Sikh delegates from across the world to discuss the international political strategy of the Sikh Nation. Monday 26th March Venue: UN Human Rights Council, Geneva 11-12.30pm - Respect for Human Rights & Fundamental Freedoms - The 60 Year Experience of the Sikhs 2-5pm - Sikh Human Rights Awareness Rally outside UN building Note: The Sikh Federation (UK) has made arrangements for up to 2 named Sikh representatives from each country to receive guest photo passes to enter the UN for the 11am seminar. The names of the 2 representatives need to be emailed to info@sikhfederation.com by Saturday 17th March. The names should match individual identity documents which each person will need to bring with them. Issues to be raised at the UN Human Rights Council on 26th March 1. 50th Anniversary - Treaty of Rome - Religious Freedoms in Europe 2. Why has Amnesty International been denied access to investigate in Panjab for almost 30 years? 3. Why is the UN Rapporteur on Torture not being allowed to visit Panjab? 4. UN investigation into the lack of justice for the November 1984 Anti Sikh Pogroms 5. Release of Sikh political prisoners - Professor Bhullar, Paramjeet Singh, etc. 6. Fake encounters, disappearances, killing of 36 Sikhs in Kashmir, Jaswant Singh Khalra case 7. International image of Sikhs and restrictions on Sikhs and Sikh organisations 8. Sikh right to self-determination and campaign for an Independent Sikh State Media covering the World Sikh Lobby Day will include Akash Radio, Raaj Radio, Panjab Radio. Contacts for your country are on the attached poster. For general information contact info@sikhfederation.com

The kirtan "Har Jio Sadaa Teri Sarnaee - Kar Kirpaa Vasoh Mere Hirday" is available to download and view Gurbani on: http://www.sikhee.com/audio/Kirtan/Bhai%20...re%20Hirday.mp3 Gurbani http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Amr...n/tr_0731a.html http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/Gurbani/Amr...n/tr_0007a.html

rajgaya? chips and beans langar?? pizza? cake? Pizza place is only around the corner, lets not forget its a kirtan program is there a kirtan programme? by the sound of this topic isnt it a sanjha all u can eat buffet?! (in which case i look forward to winning hands down) on a serious note - well done in advance to all those organising it

benti to all to stay on topic jio looking forward to the keertan darbar :TH:

my personal view is all of the translations of bania online contain many errors, are very limited and only scratch at the surface of the true deeper meaning of Gurbani. before making bold statements on Gurbani i should ask myself can i even properly pronounce the bani which i am questioning? if so, have i listened to and fully absorbed Katha of many Gursikhs on bani? is my rehit, jeevan and understanding of bani greater than those Gursikhs? is my rehit, jeevan and understanding of bani greater than all the great Gursikhs throughout history who kept faith in bani? are any of the 5 evils impairing my judgment (assuming i have the right to pass judgment on Gurbani which i don’t). after that if i have still passed judgment - have i asked Guruji for help to have more pyaar, understanding and faith in bani as my only saviour? if so and i still lack faith in Gurbani will i not accept the will of the Panth on the bani? if the answer to all of these is “NO – I know best” then clearly i bow nobody and the question i should have been asking is am a Sikh? topic-starter asked for more explanation which was provided but 1 or 2 individuals decided to debate over Sri Dasam Granth which is banned by Sri Akal Takhat. Any further debate should be taken up with them instead of on a youth forum.

thought so we make looooads of errors like that so thanks for the feedback to improve the site. have moved it to: http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/audio/index...ngh+Ji+Jodhpuri

happy birthday veerji

Sunday 4th March 6-8pm Shaheedi of Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochahal Barsi: Talk in English on Shaheedi and Hola Mohalla

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/audio/index...+Ravinder+Singh Bhai Ravinder Singh - Amrit Pivoh

I'm not surprised by this. The last time the Scottish police had something similar it turned out that the young boy who was alleged to have been attacked in some park had cut his own hair off because he didn't want it. It wasted a lot of police time, so I'm not shocked that the police are cool about this now. How embarrassing is that especially since Sikhs were protesting about it apparently...then the truth came out 2 different incidents Veerji but i agree the seriousness taken by the police and in the wider community has been hit by the former one. when Lakhivar Singh's turban was pulled off and he was beaten the security guards were witness to what took place and chased away the gang that carried out the hate crime so this is much more likely to have taken place. yet despite this no co-ordinated response and no comment from any sikh group.

Agree with a lot of what is written above. although where in the article does it say Sikhs should work hand-in-hand with the Hindu community? it talks of a problem which is not exclusive to Sikhs and put the events of Coventry in the context of a meeting being held on the same day on a similair issue in London. the quote from a Hindu group in protest was probably used as no Sikh group has bothered to comment. The solution to this problem is one which our community has yet failed to provide. Are there any Sikh/Panthic equivalents of the Hindu Forum of Britain and the National Hindu Students Forum to counter them? These groups are derived from the HSS and RSS (widely believed to be the largest organization in the world with over 2 million members in India alone) and the proceeds of phoney charities like "Sewa International" go straight back to khaki-pyjama-wearing-extremists in India. hindus with all their differences in dharma can unite under one flag but what about sikhs? our groups are mostly either dharmik or political with little crossover or cohesion which is not in accordance with our religion. the hindu students forum is clearly connected to groups influencing policy in the UK whereas us sikh youngsters avoid both politics and inter-religious issues like the plague until these kind of incidents occur and we find we aren't organised enough to deal with them. from the response on the forum you can see we care about what happened in coventry but there will be no co-ordinated response to it and little to prevent it and similair incidents happening again in another part of the UK. bhull chukk maaf

thanks Freed Veerji personally i think we really need to preserve our heritage a lot better.

thanks for bumping gourree mehalaa 3 || Gauree, Third Mehla: kaaman har ras baedhhee jeeo har kai sehaj subhaaeae || The soul-bride is pierced through with the sublime essence of the Lord, in intuitive peace and poise. man mohan mohi leeaa jeeo dhubidhhaa sehaj samaaeae || The Enticer of hearts has enticed her, and her sense of duality has been easily dispelled. dhubidhhaa sehaj samaaeae kaaman // paaeae guramathee ra(n)g laaeae || Her sense of duality has been easily dispelled, and the soul-bride obtains her Husband Lord; following the Guru's Teachings, she makes merry. eihu sareer koorr kusath bhariaa gal thaaee paap kamaaeae || This body is filled to overflowing with falsehood, deception and the commission of sins. guramukh bhagath jith sehaj dhhun oupajai bin bhagathee mail n jaaeae || The Gurmukh practices that devotional worship, by which the celestial music wells up; without this devotional worship, filth is not removed. naanak kaaman pirehi piaaree vichahu aap gavaaeae ||1|| O Nanak, the soul-bride who sheds selfishness and conceit from within, is dear to her Beloved. ||1|| kaaman pir paaeiaa jeeo gur kai bhaae piaarae || The soul-bride has found her Husband Lord, through the love and affection of the Guru. rain sukh suthee jeeo a(n)thar our dhhaarae || She passes her life-night sleeping in peace, enshrining the Lord in her heart. a(n)thar our dhhaarae mileeai piaarae anadhin dhukh nivaarae || Enshrining Him deep within her heart night and day, she meets her Beloved, and her pains depart. a(n)thar mehal pir raavae kaaman guramathee veechaarae || Deep within the mansion of her inner being, she enjoys her Husband Lord, reflecting upon the Guru's Teachings. a(n)mrith naam peeaa dhin raathee dhubidhhaa maar nivaarae || She drinks deeply of the Nectar of the Naam, day and night; she conquers and casts off her sense of duality. naanak sach milee sohaagan gur kai haeth apaarae ||2|| O Nanak, the happy soul-bride meets her True Lord, through the Infinite Love of the Guru. ||2|| aavahu dhaeiaa karae jeeo preetham ath piaarae || Come, and shower Your Mercy upon me, my most Darling, Dear Beloved. kaaman bino karae jeeo sach sabadh seegaarae || The soul-bride offers her prayers to You, to adorn her with the True Word of Your Shabad. sach sabadh seegaarae houmai maarae guramukh kaaraj savaarae || Adorned with the True Word of Your Shabad, she conquers her ego, and as Gurmukh, her affairs are resolved. jug jug eaeko sachaa soee boojhai gur beechaarae || Throughout the ages, the One Lord is True; through the Guru's Wisdom, He is known. manamukh kaam viaapee mohi sa(n)thaapee kis aagai jaae pukaarae || The self-willed manmukh is engrossed in sexual desire, and tormented by emotional attachment. With whom should she lodge her complaints? naanak manamukh thhaao n paaeae bin gur ath piaarae ||3|| O Nanak, the self-willed manmukh finds no place of rest, without the most Beloved Guru. ||3|| mu(n)dhh eiaanee bholee niguneeaa jeeo pir agam apaaraa || The bride is foolish, ignorant and unworthy. Her Husband Lord is Unapproachable and Incomparable. aapae mael mileeai jeeo aapae bakhasanehaaraa || He Himself unites us in His Union; He Himself forgives us. avagan bakhasanehaaraa kaaman ka(n)th piaaraa ghatt ghatt rehiaa samaaee || The soul-bride's Beloved Husband Lord is the Forgiver of sins; He is contained in each and every heart. praem preeth bhaae bhagathee paaeeai sathigur boojh bujhaaee || The True Guru has made me understand this understanding, that the Lord is obtained through love, affection and loving devotion. sadhaa ana(n)dh rehai dhin raathee anadhin rehai liv laaee || She remains forever in bliss, day and night; she remains immersed in His Love, night and day. naanak sehajae har // paaeiaa saa dhhan no nidhh paaee ||4||3|| O Nanak, that soul-bride who obtains the nine treasures, intuitively obtains her Husband Lord. ||4||3|| (Raag Gauree: Ang 245 of King of Kings Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj)

:TH: may Mahraj continue to bless you lots of Naam & sewa hodhai thaan nithaaneeaa rehehi nimaananeeaah || They remain powerless, even while they have power; they remain humble and meek. naanak janam sakaarathhaa jae thin kai sa(n)g milaah ||2|| O Nanak, our lives become profitable if we associate with them. ||2||

here's an alternative letter. feel free to personalise it more as i was a little tired when writing this lol

Gun_fight.mp3

woww!! keep up the good work Freed veerji :TH:

letters are usually still accepted although you're right in saying we should individualise or customise the wording of the email/fax/letter as much as possible. :TH:

just FYI - an article i came across:

Exactly the same way. Half term just means MPs will sign when they get back on 19 February. So the procedure is: 1 - Go to www.WriteToThem.com and type in your postcode to get your list of MEP's and your MP. 2 - Copy the following: 3 - Click on your MP, fill in the details and paste the above letter into the box where you can send a message to your MP (editing the letter slightly by inserting your MP's name at the top and your own name at the bottom). So do the above or you can send the MPs letters, fax on line, emails or telephone !!

It is worth reading the SSNews article on Balbir Singh who recently got justice. His case was very similair to that of Paramjit Singh: http://www.sikhsangat.org/ssn/publish/Indi...e_on_Sikh.shtml There has been an IMPORTANT development for ALL UK SIKHS: http://www.sikhsangat.org/ssn/publish/Engl..._On_India.shtml So the procedure is: 1 - Go to www.WriteToThem.com and type in your postcode to get your list of MEP's and your MP. 2 - Copy the following: 3 - Click on your MP, fill in the details and paste the above letter into the box where you can send a message to your MP (editing the letter slightly by inserting your MP's name at the top and your own name at the bottom).

http://www.sikhsangat.org/ssn/publish/Engl...aches_FCO.shtml

just FYI the above video can be downloaded from: http://rajkaregakhalsa.net/video.htm and all of the images used in the video are in the GurSikhs section of: http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/images/

Just FYI as mentioned earlier: Also from Bhai Gurdas Vaaran - regarding a Gurmukh:

http://www.sikhsangat.org/ssn/publish/Engl..._Gurdwara.shtml