Charan Singh

PLEAAASSE STOP PUTTING GURBANI ON POSTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!! Great diwan last night at Karamsar Gurdwara! Wish there was more parchaar like this. If Babaji and his Jatha are in your area do go and meet him. He's a true example of a Sant-Siphai. Felt so much Chardi-Kala after meeting him and hearing the stories of what they have gone through in Punjab. Watch the videos and realise what the Khalsa Fauj can and will do!!!! Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji!!

If only the committees would take responsibility! If only more elders would take the responsiblity! If only organisations like the Sikh Federation, Sikh in England, Dal Khalsa etc.take the responsiblity! If only panthic jathabandhis and sants took responsiblity! We would be in a much better situation. The problem is NO ONE is willing to put their neck on the line. All these rumours we hear thorugh the grapevine about threatening phone calls. Have any threatening phone calls have ever been reported to the police by hotels, halls, families etc? Surely we would have heard of the police taking this further. At the least the police or hotels have never made any statement saying that threatening abuse has been recieved As ever, we jump the gun and show our lack of faith in our Khalsa bros and sis. But we instantly believe a rumour from a disgruntaled family member or a wedding caterer that some fanatical extremists are threatening us.

Rami Ranger's no one special. He's some mona/Hindu guy of Sikh parentage who ives in "Cuckoo Hindustani ZeeTv Businessman" land. Sometimes he's Rami Ranger sometimes he calls himself Raminder Singh. He can't even grow his kes, so what does his opinion mean. He put a posting on the yahoo egroups saying that people who take amrit are not progressive. Anyways, worth writing to him just to put him in his place!

No point phoning them up anymore, we need to make every Sikh organisation aware of this so it can be stopped! I'm emailing right now!!! There was no support from any Sikh Organisation last year. We have to put the pressure on as individuals & Sangat.

This must be stopped. Whoever uses this Forum must ring the hotel now! Its the beadbi of our Father, Why should we turn a blind eye to those who want to exploit Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji! Sikh Weddings are a maony making business for Corrupt Committees or Corrupt Granthis! At least the white man will listen and act accordingly to the wishes of the Sikh Community! Just tell the hotel why its not appopriate for Guruji to be bought to the hotel and that its an highly offesive act and against Sikh Principles! Please Sangat Ji, save my father if not yours!!!

Fateh!! Just a question to the Cyber Sangat, has or does Butcher KPS Gill come to the UK??

Benti to all organisers Please stop putting Gurbani on Posters! We all know where these posters end up after the programme has finished. Its our duty to be responsible.

Looks like this is SGPC maryada. When Makkar came to Singh Sabha Seven Kings he said that he cannot slept till 2pm so he was willing to talk till then about Panthic Issues. Well one the committee finished asking questions about how NRIs can get better treatement at Harmandir Sahib, Makkar spoke his stuff, very vague and meaningless speach. Then Powar came on, spoke a bit more and together everyone left as if a bomb exploded in the divan sahib! The didnt even wait for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to go to Sachkhand! It was pathetic! What great leaders we have! Next time ths people come down we should really put them on the spot!

Will he be coming to London??

Dont refer to Gurdwaras as venues :TH:

wasnt it this committee who had belly dancers at their panthic kabbabi tournament?? :lol:

These two have been doing the same routine for the last 10 years!!

Whats this programme about???!!!!! Is it some kind of surprise on the day??

Just dont let your community centre become a baqueting hall

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!! This list represents the strength of 5 million people!!! One Khalsa = 125,000

I agree, this Organisation is representative, like Sikh Federation. it probably will advise people from other communities or public organisations to view its website. This is misrepresentation & stereotyping Sikhs. I would have expected a greater level of responsibility from SIE. We should be teaching other communities and organisation to refer to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as GuruJi or Guru Maharaj or Maharaj, instead of "holy book". Not good

I dont know what to make of this?? Is this humour relevant for Sikhs in England, a UK Sikh Representative Organisation?? http://www.sikhs.org.uk/default.asp?mnid=sikh&pgid=swedding a sikh wedding – (or four laps and a piss up) A Guide For Non-Sikhs If you are invited to a Sikh wedding, don’t panic, here is an insiders guide to what each bit on the invitation card really means. 1.Reception of Barat The Barat is the Groom’s tribe which invariably arrives late in dribs and drabs and in a state which thinly disguises the fact that many have had a skinful and some may still have much contraband on their person. The ‘reception’ usually takes place at the entrance to or in the courtyard of the Gurdwara and takes the form of much shouting and wailing (mainly by women) commencing from the moment the hordes first come into view. To the finely tuned ear it is obvious that juicy insults are attempted to be set to tune but very little rehearsal time may be just one of the cause’s of the non-synchronised efforts. When the opposition has been lined up in a stand off position, the Ardas (equivalent of the Lord’s Prayer) is mumbled by the Giani (Priest, the learned one or someone on a visitor’s visa and here for the money) and mimed by the shameless. Non-Sikhs are advised to take off their shoes and cover their heads (not with the shoes silly) and observe and copy the rest in silence or else. 2.Milni & Tea Milni is loosely translated as ‘to meet’ and is the formal meeting of the heads of the households (‘who wears the trousers’). It take the form of exchange of token gifts (like team captains at football matches swapping pennants) but some flash gits have ruined this laudable tradition and try showing off by showering all the chieftains from the Groom’s tribe (his old man in particular) with tons of unsavoury and tasteless jewellery. This could involve hundreds of people – some only who come out of the woodwork and are seen at weddings and the palaver goes on for hours but the more orthodox concentrate on perhaps the Bride and Groom’s legitimate fathers and one or two decent uncles. Having had embarrassing photos taken of the fake loving hugs during the exchange of gifts, there is usually a mad rush by the Groom’s tribe to where the food is.The food (at this time of the morning) usually comprises samosa, pakoras, jalebis, ladoos and barfi served with steaming hot tea or Coke (the drinking variety) in cramped conditions and with disingenuous smiles. 3.Anand Karaj This is the religious bit and takes place in the Darbar Sahib (main hall) where the Sri Guru Granth Sahib (Sikh Holy Book) is present.The Granthis (those who supposedly know how to respect the Holy Book) and Gianis force the intended victims (the couple) to sit cross legged in front of the Holy Book with a posse of female minders to prevent any escape attempts with the rest of the sleepy congregation/guests behind them. After the spiritual rituals of identifying the guilty parties (by making them stand up when all else are asleep in a whacked out and uncomfortable to fart positions) and another (silent) Ardas, the religious wedding bit takes place by the Groom dragging the Bride around the Holy Book four times – the Bride is usually comforted/consoled by ‘the brothers’ during each of the laps.The couple attempt to time each lap to coincide with the completion of the verse singing by the now drowsy Gianis before sitting down in their original spots. After the four laps are completed, the couple and the rest have to endure a series of hymn singing, advice from hypocrites and pleas for contributions to the building fund, natural or man-made disasters and directions to the booze palace before being set free by a final verse from the Holy Book and the receiving of Holy Food (Karah Parshad). The couple then just sit there like lemons so the punters can pat them on the head and pose for photos/video shots of them giving dodgy money before pushing and shoving everyone else to find their shoes and illegally parked motors so as to get to where the booze is - fast. 4. Reception This is often in a hall which is never large enough but miles away. The reason for the hall being too small is two fold – one, Western society just cannot comprehend the size of Sikh events (we always want to be bigger and possibly better than everyone else) and two, loads of gatecrashers/freeloaders tend to crawl out of the woodwork knowing there is going to be free booze, food and pretty women at the do. At the hall, more by chance or luck than judgement or planning, nibbles, soft drinks and beer is laid out before guests arrive by which time spirits start materialising in plentiful quantities. The equivalent of tandoori chicken, lamb chops and the like are served to semi-<Edited> guests who are also semi-deaf by now due to extremely loud music being throbbed continuously since their arrival. After about two hours, everyone picks themselves off the floor to acknowledge the arrival of the married couple who eventually cut the cake, attempt to dance and then tuck into their packed lunch (just joking). The main course is served soon after to allow the puke ups to have that special colour and stench before the fights break out. Eventually, people start leaving, often of their own accord or with friends/relatives who can still remember where their cars are parked and sometimes accompanied by police or immigration officers. 5. Finally The times on the invites are indicative only and no account should be taken of them – add half an hour for each successive item throughout the day. Women who defiantly wish to wear short skirts to the Gurdwara should only do so if they got legs worth looking at and don’t care if they look stupid trying to sit cross legged on the floor with their knickers showing. There is never a wedding list for presents but book tokens are definitely out. Spare a thought for the (now) poor bugger who has to pay for all of this. Anonymous Singh July 2000

So everyone, its good to see no-one sees anything wrong with this. Why can’t these Kirtanis do their programme in a Gurdwara? Where has this modern idea come from? A few months ago these same kirtanis did a programme at Southgate Gurdwara. This is the farce element, they did it in the Gurdwara Community Centre and charged money for entrance, when the actually Gurdwara is next door. Are we trying to bring Gurbani into a “Ghazal” environment where we appreciated the music rather than the core power of Kirtan in Sangat infront of Maharaj’s hajoori? It is a farce, they might be talented, preserving history but does that mean they have the right to charge and perform kirtan to those sitting on chairs with shoes on & heads uncovered? Concerts of Gurbani Kirtan, where next? Wembley Stadium. This lot can go earn loads of money. If they wish to turn the meaning of Kirtan upside down and create a Musical Show out of it then all the best to them.

Khalsafateh! Whats so special that these lot cant do their Kirtan in a Gurdwara? Why are they charging £7 a ticket for entrance? Only 10% is going to charity as per the poster Sorry but it looks like a BIG farce to me

Posting from Tapoban.org Author: anotherSingh Date: 10-11-05 01:13 I am a distant relative of a distant relative of one the families involved. I only realised when I saw the email. I spoke to my distant relative yesterday. These guys are very stuck on doing the wedding. They have already arranged for the Hotel security to handle the campaign group. The boys side have said do it in the Gurdwara. But the girls side, whos dad is a bit of a communist, has a huge EGO. He thinks he can take anyone on, and just does not care about Guru ji. I told them the Campaign Group are solid, and they should listen to them. But my distant relative just said its already been sorted. This Giani guy from Southall who is on the TV has planned it all. He is the mastermind who is helping them. They will be taking Guru ji to the Hotel the night before. Then Hotel security will just keep Campaign group away from Hotel. I think they have spoken to Police aswell. So this Morcha needs to be very highly organised. Campaign group need to liase with police. The mastermind Giani needs to be taken seriously. That is the key. He is the person who is pushing it, and the Dad of the girl. If we can stop the Giani taking Guru ji to the hotel the night before, I think the rest will capitulate, and they will do it in the Gurdwara. Will keep sangat up to date when I can do some more digging around. Please forward to other groups and messageboards. I think he's mistaken about the Giani being from Southall...the only Giani on TV at this moment is Suraj

Khalsa Fateh Just spoke to Paul of Curry Special. He said that the family are a paying client and will get whatever kind of wedding they want! He said he doesnt care about any Hukamnama and worst of all he's Panjabi!! Looks like these people think money can buy the abuse of Guruji aswell!! I am going to ring Royal Lancaster now! I bet I will get a better response from a gora than apna Panjabi brother

First we learn how to run a Gurdwara as per Khalsa Maryada, then we will have the capability to run a country!!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!! "Guru Arjan Dev Ji Shaheedi Cultural & Sports Tournament" - 12th June 2005 Over 50 Naujawan & Experienced Sikhs representing Sadh Sangat met with the Committee of Sri Guru Singh Sabha London East and the Organisers of Tournament. After conducting Benti Chaupai Sahib Ji de Paath and Ardas, in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the Sadh Sangat when to the open meeting organised by the Committee. The aim of the Sangat was simple in that the name of the Tournament must be changed as it is abuse to the memory & principles of Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji & Sikh Shaheeds. Reasons behind why the Sangat want Guru Ji name and the term Shaheedi to be removed as the title of the tournament is that currently the tournament allows excessive drinking on the site, there are problems of law & order such as rowdy and violent behaviour, Bhangra & Giddha, Langar made from offerings by the local sangat is distributed alongside alcohol and meat, Gurdwara monies are used to fund this tournament, local residents are against the tournament for the above issues and the litter and disruption cause. The Questions that arise from the current state of this Tournament are: 1) Is this how Sikhs celebrate the sacrifice of Guru Arjan Dev Ji? 2) Did Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji commemorate his father’s shaheedi in this way? 3) Are the activities conducted in this tournament what our Sikh Shaheeds gave their lives for? All the above points were addressed to the Committee & Organisers within this open meeting. There was a unanimous agreement by the Gurdwara Committee and Organisers that the tournament is an abuse of the memory of Guru Ji & Shaheeds. The organisers reiterated that they have been requesting the Gurdwara Committee to change the name for over two years. The Sadh Sangat offered solutions to the committee and were willing to re-design and print posters, booklets and stationary. The sangat also offered to make new banners and signs for the day and help with any technical and legal issues. The Organisers said there was no problem with the name being changed for this year’s tournament and highlighted the point that the Gurdwara Committee have to make the decision. However the Gurdwara committee flatly refused to change the name for the tournament happening on the 12th of June 2005. The excuses given by The Committee were: 1) There are legal issues: • This is incorrect because changing the Public Name of the tournament has no legal implication. 2) It has been going on for 25 years: • The current state of the tournament requires Guru Ji’s name to be disassociated with it. • Members of the local Sangat have been trying to change the name for some years 3) The committee should not be made to feel that they have been wrong in what they do for the community: • As in the form of Sangat we have the right to question any committee about their activities, where the offering and monies from the Sangat are used, and above all stand up against abuse of Guru Ji and our Shaheeds. 4) The committee members said, without any shame, that they partake in the consumption of alcohol during the tournaments 5) What about those outside organisations funding the tournament? The Sangat was not satisfied with the poor excuses given by the committee. It reflects that fact that this committee have not love for Guru Ji. Issues such as funding from outside sources are the priority. Also it boils down to the point that who are the Sangat to tell the committee what to do? The Committee disregarded the concerns of the Sangat, feeling that their decisions are correct and final. The committee are exploiting their positions using Guru Ji as a commodity who they can sell for monitory gains and political power. They have forgotten that the Sadh Sangat is Guru Ji’s form and are above any committee. There is no reasons why a different name cannot be used for the Tournament, this year and following years, apart from financial gain and egoistical behaviour. The Sangat demanded a decision and a timescale for when this decision will be made. The committee have asked for two weeks to call a meeting. This shows that Guru Ji beabdi is not an issue for this committee otherwise a decision would have been made immediately or within a shorter timescale. Sangat Ji, this situation has highlighted blatant misuse of powers by a committee and has to be addressed.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!! We as Sangat cannot let corrupt individuals abuse our Guru & Shaheeds like this for their own personal gains. Its a stance we have to take now - otherwise what next, in 10 years time will people be attending "Guru Nanak's All Nite Party"? It stops now!