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If we can ask of dhunda and what he has done for the victims of 1984 after collecting loads of money from the sangat in the west, then the same can be asked of from Dhadrianwale or any other parcharak. Dhunda has gone quiet as a mouse ever since his political party Sarna was kicked out of power. So it is very obvious that Dhunda was all full of air and was just using good marketing skills to bring in bucket loads of money for himself and his family back in India.

I ask specifically about 1984 because he does a lot of parchar on 1984 victims and their families. Which also can mean he is very passionate about helping the victims and their families. In this sense I wanted to know what projects he had taken up in this matter or what donations he has made to other organizations so they can helping 1984 victims and their families in a big way.

Other than doing parchar what has Dhadrianwale been doing along with his big following? Named as a Sant what actions or plans has he implemented to bring justice? I understand sangat provides him with a lot of dasvand. How much of this dasvand has gone to hiring lawyers for 1984 Sikh victims? How much is being given to Sikhs families that still have family members locked up in prison? Parchar is all good and raises awareness, but Dhadrianwale has been given also the gift of raising money and then putting it to work for justice. How many actions has he taken against the government for violating or disregarding their own law? How many treatment centres have been opened for people that are addicted to drugs? Speaking about the issue is just pouring a glass of water for a thirsty child and then leaving it on the counter. The glass of water needs to be picked up from the counter, slowly handed to the child, and watch him drink the glass of water hoping he does not spill it. This is not an attack on Dhadrianwale, but asking for clarification on what he is doing other than parchar.

Tell that to Sikhs who married a white woman and she refuses to take Amrit.

If you are flashing around daddy's bank roll in a nice car, nice clothing, money to spend without a care, and university paid for by daddy, then any clever girl will be nice and make sure she gets a piece of that pie. More and more girls from other races have figured out that Punjabi parents give everything to their boys and this means easily six figures. So they target Punjabi naïve boys that start drooling as a white girl asks them out. Many Punjabi girls don't go for the money because they are sick and tired of being classed as second class once they are married into Punjabi families. So they compensate for the money by making the money for themselves and now they can do as they wish. Punjabi girls want that relaxed married life without taking care of the husbands parents. The girl from the other race gets away with this because she molds the husband into her way of thinking.

I don't have a cult mindset because I do not follow a cult. You on the other hand follow the cult leader of 3HO; Yogi Bhajan. And you just went to the extent of calling Satguru fake to promote your cult leader. People of your nature deserve to be banned from writing here. You promote yourself as an intellectual, but your post on Sant ji having photos with Yogi Bhajan shows how stupid you are and how you are a deceiving person. You are a complete fake who cannot cut it out to be a Sikh and now you are on a mission to destroy others chance of learning Sikhi. You have slandered actual Sants and now your jeevan is paying the price. You have committed many wrong acts which includes destroying others and now Maharaj is delivering the punishment by not giving you any amount of contentment. You run from one so called Sant to another hoping they will do ardas for you, but nothing has worked. Instead you fall deeper and deeper into the pit of hell. I would ask the sangat here to stay as far away from you as possible, but that will only make there minds go toward you. I saw first hand how cursed you are.

He's a cunning person with an agenda. You can never expect anything good from such people.

Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa has photos with Harcharan Singh Longowal, but look at how he turned out to be. Betrayed Sant ji and the Khalsa Panth. Look at Sikh history, why would Satguru send his own child to teach others Gurbani when Satguru knew that he will change Gurbani to not upset the listener. So by the same stupid logic as the above poster, then Satguru was not all seeing and all knowing to let such a beadbi act to occur. So Satguru did not know the past, present and future. :stupidme: :stupidme: :stupidme:

3HO promotes openly manmat act are okay to be committed. They have developed a rehat which is manmat. Taksal Rehat comes straight from Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj. Taksal Jathedars do not promote manmat acts. 3HO leader and current leaders openly promote manmat acts. 3HO current leaders do not even know how to read Gurbani in Gurmukhi. Only a cunning person would put both groups in the same boat. 3HO are rotten from the roots, where Taksal is started from Satguru and carried on by Gurmukhs. There is a huge difference here. 3HO leaders women worship at the feet of idols along with the leader while Taksal leaders women worship the one and only Satguru. Taksal leaders women meditate on Shabad Guru, while 3HO leaders women practice and teach others how to do yoga before a stone idol. Does it matter which jatha the OP claims to be part of? Many youth today claim to be part of Taksal, but they do not show one quality that says they are from Taksal. Tying a round dastar does not make a person from the Taksal. 3HO were brought into this thread because it is obvious the OP has been influenced by them and their twisted beliefs.

Why would ustads make contact with Nidar Singh? You may think Nidar Singh is a God, but these ustads know what his true intentions are.

Why club every jatha into one category. Here is what Taksal says about Sikhi and women. Right from the current Jathedars mouth. Also Sri Charitorpakhyan is very clear on what women are capable of and how Singhs need to be vigilant about it. Only a naïve person will think all women are innocent. Give us one example of a bibi that had an affair because her Singh was following Gurmat; what is being called as extremist. Instead these bibi pick up on the gyan and increase their jeevans. But on the other hand I can tell people here about 5 bibian just off the top of my head that follow this relaxed western feminist manmat ways, which they call Sikhi, but are and were messing around. Look at Sikh history, how many Sikh women had their childrens body parts hung around their necks? Name one that got divorced or committed adultery. Today these so called real Singhs and wife call these women as fanatics. Extremist win and western Singh gets stuck with buying a new house for his wife and her new toy. Speak with Hari Singh Randhawa and Sant Jagjit Singh about women privately and they will open these western Singhs eyes. Speak with Gyani Sher Singh about women. Speak to a Gurmukh Bibi about women and she will utter the same words which have been stated already from other Sikhs like Gyani Sher Singh.

See what 3HO are doing to perfectly logical people. 3HO is a virus in the Khalsa Panth. The OP needs to get away from 3HO and start reading Gurbani for themselves. 3HO cult can only read Gurbani in English translations, so what do they know about Gurmat. The cult leader and Guru was a yoga instructor who cunningly twisted Gurbani to fulfill his worldly desires. Stop using 3HO as an authority on Sikhi. They first need to focus their attention on learning Gurmukhi, reading Gurbani and then understanding Gurbani before trying to interpret Gurbani for the world.

I was simply stating that 'spiritual' people who reject religion are only rejecting what they don't like about religion. However what they like about religion they accept like marriage. IF they totally rejected religion then they would not feel the need to get married.

Why would anyone want to promote 3HO? This cult has a fake Guru named Yogi Bhajan who has passed away. Being very spiritual means to be conscious. To be conscious a person needs to understand why. Take the OP's partner dilemma. If he was conscious or as he put it very spiritual, then having a partner or not having a partner would not concern him. What would be an issue for him is the fact of uniting the soul with Akal Purakh. However he is stuck on searching for a partner, which he believes will help him strengthen his spirituality. Hence he is looking for a like minded partner. In essence the 5 elements are in control and causing this feeling of emptiness. However, what he ought to be looking for is Satguru as the poster savinderpal singh has posted. The words of Satguru might leave a sour taste in the OP's mouth, but that's just the medicine taking the ego out and replacing it with Satgur Parsad. If a person is spiritual, then why even think about marriage. Ask yourself where marriage has started from? It is a religious practice. And why search for only one marriage partner? Why not two or three? Is the OP conscious after becoming very spiritual by his own methods and ways?

Even Indira Gandhi is welcome into Sikhi, well not this life time because she got the axe. Your statements are purposely loaded to get an emotional reaction from others. This type of manipulation is more harmful than chasing after sexuality. I know that Punjabi culture encourages manipulation (being chalak), but Sikhi does not stand for it. It is obvious you do not have the knowledge on ALL religions to make such bold statements and once again you are being chalak. Sometimes we need to think on our feet and not follow elders in our lives. :biggrin2:

Keep your head up by doing more paath. Not only will this increase your jeevan and give you more strength, but Satguru will also take away the bad attitudes around you. Satguru says don't pay attention to what others are saying. Acknowledge the person, but disregard what they are saying and keep your full faith on what Satguru is saying. If you engage in a discussion with your Massi, she will play many mind games as all Punjabis have been practicing their whole lives. So don't say a word and keep saying han ji, han ji, han ji. If she ask are you going to cut it now after all of her convincing be like Satguru will help in this matter. In other words, you need to build the patience and humility to stand up to what you are facing. Sounds odd because many times we are told to fight for what we believe in. But in these type of situations Satguru tells us to be patient and be humble. It seems as you are facing an outer battle with your massi and dad as they are telling you to do something against Satguru, but really you are facing an inner battle within yourself. Becoming angry and upset with them shows that you are lacking to some degree patience and humility. Cool the inner heat of the body by doing more paath and what they say will not bother you. Satguru will do his kirpa on you

I have to apologize for making one statements. I put down that white people are still oppressing the Aboriginal people, when in fact I know some that are genuinely helping them. But it is the uneducated and those that don't have any compassion for others that are oppressing the Aboriginal people. Indira Gandhi had Sikh bodyguards and a Sikh General Kuldip Singh Brar, why would she systematically destroy Punjab when she was Prime Minister. India has a Sikh Prime Minister, why would he destroy Sikhi and Sikhs and true justice has been served for 1984 because India has a Sikh Prime Minister. Punjab has a Sikh as its leader, why would there be more than 70% Sikh youth hooked on drugs. The Indian Constitution says everyone has equal rights, so where is the discrimination that minority talk about. It's all lies made up by some people that don't like India. Just move out of India as you don't like it here. Find somewhere else to call your homeland and take your Gurdwaras with you. Till 1960s Aboriginal people had no right to vote. How in the world can you get your community going if you cannot sit and decide what way the country should contribute to rebuilding your community? How many laws have protected Aboriginal people. Anyone with little sense knows that Aboriginal people are overrepresented in the prison population. Where is the common sense in these policies? What is the base of Aboriginal community? It is there elders, their land, and way of life. Their elders cannot reach out to their youth because they don't have the resources to do it. Families are torn apart because of the abuse they have gone through for so many years. Many don't know where their parents or siblings are. After the many years they faced oppression, I don't blame them for taking drugs to cope with daily life. What can a child do when his mother has no resources? What good is free university, when their is no food on the table from the day you are born? There is a huge gap and the educated people realize there is one. A community is made up of networks that all play a key part in shaping behaviour and advancing individuals in that community. For Aboriginal people, these networks were systematically destroyed, where it is nearly impossible to repair after centuries. Many of them do not even know what tribe they belonged to as whole tribes were wiped out. Some people don't know what oppression is till they actually feel it themselves. But some people are so used to bending backwards that they don't care to take a stand for freedoms and rights. These are just two concepts that make sense when protecting the elite.

If we celebrate anything it is when the Charter was written up and enforced, where Aboriginal people finally saw a ray of hope into helping themselves collect the pieces and try to put there community together. Next time you see an Aboriginal teen on drugs, robbing, and selling drugs. Don't think criminal. Think systematically marginalized, killed, raped of his culture, land, religion, family, and community.

How we forget so easily. This is a black day in history as this is the day Aboriginal people officially lost the right to live on their lands peacefully without foreigners telling them either shape up or face the wrath of our strike. Robbed of their culture, their children, their land, their families, their spiritual path, and oppressed to accept a foreign way of life. Systematically marginalized and to this day we see the same system rejecting them the right the Aboriginal people deserve after facing centuries of oppression. It was only in 1982 that all minorities including Aboriginal people saw any bit of hope, but that was only a paper document that made the colonizers look pretty in their British suits, vest, and ties. Does this sound familiar to any person coming from Punjab? Let us know if you would celebrate after such treatment. No doubt Canada has changed, but to celebrate Canada day is just another way reminding the Aboriginal people you are second class citizens on your own land and if you try to do anything about it. Well you will face the man made law which protects the rights of the foreigners (whites) who occupied your land with force. See how well this works out for you. What do Sikhs say, we forgive but never forget.............well this just doesn't stop at 1984. Humanity is one regardless what way of life they follow and their is no tolerance for oppression.

If truth exist in all religions then all religions are equally right and for that matter Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji was wrong to be critical of Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Jainism, etc. What you ought to have said is that, there is a God in everyone and from time to time that God comes out of people. Hence Gubani says don't worship the dirt or the tomb, but worship Akal. How many atheist and agnostics are putting their lives in danger to save others? If one atheist saves another, now does that make the belief he holds of there being no God true? Animals have the ability to save other animals lives, but we don't make outrageous conclusions after they do such acts.

Does Satguru say heterosexuals can do as they please after Anand Karaj or has Satguru instructed Sikh married couples conduct? Heterosexuality and homosexuality are both rejected in Sikhi. You don't need to be heterosexual to have your own kids or to even live a householders lifestyle. There are many dangers to the body for heterosexuals and homosexuals. Both think in the same manner and are wishing for the same excitement, but one is permitted by society and the other is restricted by man made laws. I agree that Anand Karaj is for man and woman only as Satguru instructed us and this cannot be changed. But being a heterosexual is just much of a sin as being homosexual. Satguru says to rise above both lower energies. If heterosexuals were so righteous they would see that Raam exist in all and adopt a child from a poor country. But heterosexuals need a kid that looks like them, with their DNA, with their features and skin color. Who will carry on our family name............an adopted child.....never he is not one of us. What if the adopted child does not love me as much, where will I get my moh from and who will fill the empty hole in my life.... Religion should not be used to mask either sides failings. Public safety is the only reason why homosexuals should not be allowed to be married in front of the secular court. But life and liberty over powers the right of public safety as there is a low risk on public safety. If people are worried about public safety around health care they should really be advocating to banning smoking and other highly addictive substance all together. Many establishments are started off the bases of heterosexuality and they have a huge negative impact on society. Yet they are openly promoted by all sources of media and institutions. Christian's really have a problem with homosexuality because secular regulations and policies are not so secular as they start off with God.

I don't understand how you think I am implying something about science, logic and proofs. Actually, I am very far from it. I think the process here is very clear in this discussion. The 'I think' is being taken out and what Guru Sahib says is being accepted. Bhai Gurdas Ji's Varan on the topic of Bhagat Dhanna Jatt Ji Maharaj is saying the opposite of what you said with the stone being the medium. Here it is: http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=5770 Pay extra attention to the last line and Bhai Sahib is saying exactly what Gurbani says on Bhagat Dhanna Ji Maharaj. He says it is because of Bhagat ji's child like innocence that was the medium that gave him the Darshan of Thakur. But you can't put Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj in the same cagetory because Satguru uplifts ignorance. If Bhagat ji had the darshan of Satguru, then he would have understood that stone worship is wrong according to Gurmat and would not even approached the Brahmin. No matter how others treat Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj, Satguru stays as the light. This is not about how one views something, but what is, is exactly what it is. A stone is always a stone regardless of what others do around it. Bhagat Namdev Ji Maharaj made this very clear when he wrote what is the difference between the stone you worship and the stone you kick in the street? However the same cannot be applied to Satguru as there is only ONE.

If the medium was the stone, then surely Gurbani would say so, so present the Shabad's, which state this. Before you go searching, it would be best to re-read the sakhi again of Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji. Also where is everywhere? Ask yourself what is permanent and what is not. Read Bhagat Namdev Ji Maharaj's Shabad again.

Seems as this has turned into a game of wits than actual understanding of Gurbani. I have no problem interpreting Gurbani as my post on this forum and this thread speak for themselves. However you presented the Gurbani, therefore you should explain why these specific tuks and panktis are being presented by you. Just looking at one Tuk more closely, ਸਭੁ ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ ਹੈ ਸਭੁ ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ ਹੈ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਈ ॥ is being preceived as if everything is Vaheguru. If this was true, then Gurbani would be wrong to say idol worship is a manmat action, which Gurbani does say. For the idol is equally Vaheguru as Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj; everything is Gobind. I prefer to look at the whole Shabad by Bhagat ji and then see how the true meaning of the tuks are explained. The maya before our eyes is very thick. Constantly we are reminded by Satguru that Maharaj is not far away, yet we all fall down the well thinking we are the center of existence. We ask where is he, where is he I am suffering. Bhagat ji is making us think and say instead of where is he?.......ask, where am I? Some will say in the world, in the universe and so on saying that the world, universe is in actual existence. But, Bhagat ji says to this that the maya has drawn the shades over their eyes. When a dust storm comes before your eyes all you can see is particles of dust, but sooner or later this dust storm is going to fall back down into the earth. Infact Bhagat ji goes into what is Sargun in this shabad. Here it is: ਮਿਥਿਆ ਭਰਮੁ ਅਰੁ ਸੁਪਨ ਮਨੋਰਥ ਸਤਿ ਪਦਾਰਥੁ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥ ਸੁਕ੍ਰਿਤ ਮਨਸਾ ਗੁਰ ਉਪਦੇਸੀ ਜਾਗਤ ਹੀ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨਿਆ ॥੩॥ http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=0&fb=0&Param=485 If Bhagat ji was really saying everything is Gobind (all of creation) then this Shabad on it's own will not make sense because in this pauri Bhagat ji is saying the man chases after wordly materials and thinks them to be permanent, but they are not (this has nothing to do with man's perception, but everything to do with permanent and non-permanent objects and Bhagat ji says creation is false). However Bhagat ji says to us what is permanent (Sargun) in the next tuk. Bhagat ji says, Satguru instructs to do Gurmat acts. Why is this permanent even though it is committed on earth because it is free of maya (maya surrounds it, but maya cannot effect it). Kal cannot touch it, Yama cannot touch it, neither does Dharmraj dare to come near it. The source of the Gurmat is directly a result of Sri Mool Mantar Sahib after Jap. ਆਦਿ ਸਚੁ ਜੁਗਾਦਿ ਸਚੁ ॥ ਹੈ ਭੀ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹੋਸੀ ਭੀ ਸਚੁ ॥੧॥ Gurmat does not change as the world changes over time. The source of Gurmat is ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ and does not change. If the world was the image of Vaheguru, then it would not change and time would not have any impact on the world. The image of Vaheguru is ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ

What are you trying to point at or trying to say with presenting the above Gurbani?