DalbirSingh

The Sheikh Farid of gurbani is this man http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sheikh_Brahm who descends on the spirtual throne of sheikh farid who came 200 years before guru nanak dev ji but sheikh brahm met guru nanak dev ji. But what kind of person was brahm, was he a true muslim doing his namaz following islam properly trying to give dawah to guru nanak with kitman and taquia holding back and acting tolerant? Or was he a sincere follower of guru nanak rejecting his previous throne? What context is his bani? Does guru ji supercede his bani or is he equal to guru nanak dev ji? If he is equal why not just follow brahm and not over burden ourselves with too many spiritual peers and do namaz? If we were to do namaz shoulder to shoulder with muslims this would solve our political problems with pakistan and save thousands of people from being killed in the near future over religious divide. If we truly respect sheikh brahm and see him as a path to khudha why not embrace him all the way? If sheikh brahm is a muslim why is he praising guru and using the terms of gurmat? jo gur dhasai vaatt mureedhaa joleeai |3| The disciple ought to travel the route, pointed out by the Guru. ||3|| Sheikh Farid SGGS 488 Again Sheikh Farid or brahm the "muslim" is talking about reincarnation in islam that's kuffar aaj milaavaa saekh fareedh ttaakim koonjarreeaa manahu machindharreeaa |1| rehaao | You can meet the Lord today, O Shaykh Fareed, if you restrain your bird-like desires which keep your mind in turmoil. ||1||Pause|| jae jaanaa mar jaaeeai ghum n aaeeai | If I had known that I was to die, and not return again, " sheikh farid sggs 488 Fareed the literate sheikh of islam the muslim is talking about karma a law which goes with you into next lives again kuffar "fareedhaa jaa tho khattan vael thaa thoo rathaa dhunee sio | Fareed, when there was time for you to earn good karma, you were in love with the world instead." Sheikh Farid sggs 1378 This seems to be dialogue between guru nanak and sheikh farid when the verse was revealed and waheguru sent it down and the term gurmukh is used this doesn't exist in islamic philosophy or the koron "ho tootaedhee sajanaa sajan maiddae naal | I search for my Friend, but my Friend is already with me. naanak alakh n lakheeai guramukh dhaee dhikhaal |121| O Nanak, the Unseen Lord cannot be seen; He is revealed only to the Gurmukh. ||121||" SGGS Sheikh Farid 1384

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Khusrau was jhangirs eldest son. This tilak wearing is interesting some say wearing a tilak isn't allowed in sikhi if that's the case did the guru do it purposely to antagonise mughals purposefully? Or was it a lie invented or tilak allowed?

Sikh History from Persian sources Page56-57 Guru Arjan’s Martyrdom, 1606 From Jahngir, Tuzuk-I Jahangiri Translated by Shireen Moosvi Translation Text, p34 In Gobindwal, which is on the river of Beas, a Hindu named Arjan used to live in the garb of a spiritual master and mystic guide, under the influence of which he had induced a large number of simple-minded Hindus and even some ignorant and silly Muslims, to become attached to his ways and customs. He had the drum of his spiritual leadership and sainthood loudly beaten. They called him Guru. From all sides and directions ignorant ones and dervish-garb worshippers (Gaul-parastan) inclined towards him and reposed full faith in him. For three or four generation they [he and his precursors] had kept this business brisk. For a long time the thought kept coming to me of either putting an end to this shop of falsehood or to bring him into the fold of the people of Islam. It happened now that Khusrau was passing by that route. This useless manlet wished to attend on him. Khusrau halted at the place where he had his seat and residence. He saw him and conveyed to him some far-fetched (Fara-yafta) things and on his forehead put a finger-mark in saffron, which in the usage of Hindus is called qashqa [Persian for tilak] and is held to be auspicious. When this matter was brought to the notice of this glorious court and I realised the full extent of his false conduct, I ordered that he be brought to my presence [at Lahore]. I gave over his homes and houses and children to Murtaza Khan [Jahangir’s Mir Bakshi], confiscated his goods and ordered him to be capitally punished. [Appendix ommitted]

Jahangir wrote about it in his biography (tuzuk-i jahangiri), a translation is in sikh history from persian sources page 56

Right now punjab is suffering they should sell it and go back, punjab needs all it's good sikhs leave gujrat to be backwards. It's not easy but seems like it has to be done.

It seems this will be a never ending topic perhaps our descendents will be talking about the same things and bigger fights will take place.

Sometimes it's not as half bad as your mind makes it out to be, remember you're doing this for yourself not for them. Don't let other peoples' opinions dictate what you believe and how you want to lead your life.

Maybe turning sikhi pro gay is a way to gain converts especially loads of white converts, 3ho are turning sikhi pro gay they think being anti pro gay makes you a homophobe which is just like being a racist and racism is prohibited in sikhi. It's strange how homophobia is more of a bigger issue then racism in the uk in the minds of the media and the government. Voicing these opinions doesn't really go well in social sittings with your white friends, there seems to be some cultural differences on the acceptance of homosexuality overall.

As if gujrat is some america, it's a backwards region polluted and far backwards, sikhs would be doing themselves a favour by leaving kutchi land and going back to punjab or delhi or abroad

looks like narsimha haraneksh stuff good luck on your novel get onto kindle and all of that

N30 Why are you afraid of death you read bani don't you? Alot of us don't care that much about death especially at young ages when we really should. Is this whole thread really about being afraid of religious extremists who might try and kill you for having an opinion on their doctrine? Because if that's the case why not refer to how the gurus and gursikhs back in ye old time dealt with it, they said it as it is without a care about death, because truth meant more.

We wouldn't really be having this whole thread if people would actually study islam they would come to the same conclusion but should we all be made to be antagonised that we have to read works with pages in the hundreds, in voluminous amounts shouldn't people read bani to find peace instead of un-easing works?

Are you thinking alot? When neurons fire in the mind it takes up quite abit of energy or maybe you ain't sleeping or eating enough it's all about balance aswell.

It's sad to see when we have cases of Sikh minor girls who were victims of muslim grooming gangs people turn their heads and try to call those coming forward ninadaks of muhammad muhammadenism's founder, islamaphobes and haters of muhammdenism.

They might be strong enough but not brave enough, due to being engrossed into materialism they care too much for their lives, living that they would rather send us to die instead.

modi ain't gona become the next big pumba simply because he ain't like that much even by his own

ਜੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਉਪਜਾਏ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਤਿਨ ਅਪਨੇ ਰਾਹ ਚਲਾਏ ॥ जे प्रभु परम पुरख उपजाए ॥ तिन तिन अपने राह चलाए ॥ All the great Purushas created by me started their own paths. ਮਹਾਦੀਨ ਤਬ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਉਪਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਅਰਬ ਦੇਸ ਕੋ ਕੀਨੋ ਰਾਜਾ ॥੨੬॥ महादीन तब प्रभ उपराजा ॥ अरब देस को कीनो राजा ॥२६॥ Then I created Muhammed, who was made the master of Arabia.26. ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਏਕ ਪੰਥ ਉਪਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਲਿੰਗ ਬਿਨਾ ਕੀਨੇ ਸਭ ਰਾਜਾ ॥ तिन भी एक पंथ उपराजा ॥ लिंग बिना कीने सभ राजा ॥ He started a religion and circumcised all the kings. ਸਭ ਤੇ ਅਪਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਯੋ ॥੨੭॥ सभ ते अपना नामु जपायो ॥ सति नामु काहूं न द्रिड़ायो ॥२७॥ He caused all to utter his name and did not give True Name of the Lord with firmness to anyone.27. ਸਭ ਅਪਨੀ ਅਪਨੀ ਉਰਝਾਨਾ ॥ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕਾਹੂ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥ सभ अपनी अपनी उरझाना ॥ पारब्रहम काहू न पछाना ॥ Everyone placed his own interest first and foremost and did not comprehend the Supreme Brahman. ਤਪ ਸਾਧਤ ਹਰਿ ਮੋਹਿ ਬੁਲਾਯੋ ॥ ਇਮ ਕਹਿ ਕੈ ਇਹ ਲੋਕ ਪਠਾਯੋ ॥੨੮॥ तप साधत हरि मोहि बुलायो ॥ इम कहि कै इह लोक पठायो ॥२८॥ When I was busy in the austere devotion, the Lord called me and sent me to this world with the following words.28. Dasam Granth 135-136

Abu legal muhammads burning in hell right now

Guru Nanak, Guru Gobind Singh and the Revolt under Banda Bahadur 1709-1710 & 1713-16 From Muhammad Qasim ' Ibrat', Ibratnama Translated by Irfan Habib Sikh History from Persian Sources Page 110-130 [He refers to Banda Singh and his heritage as the evil guru and starts with the background of the Sikhs] To give the main particulars: In old times in a particular year, there was a dervish by the name of Nanak, clothed in Reality, rooted in Knowledge, endowed with spiritual perfections, rising above physical repute and name. He regarded following the constraints of the threads of Infidelity as absolute Infidelity, and held [full] obedience to the faith of Islam as Islam. On the one hand, he conversed on the secret [virtues] of fast and prayer with [Muslim] mystics, scholars and learned men, and, on the other, went in step with Veda-reading, Reality-comprehending Brahmans. In the midst of [the prevailing] Duality he maintained uniformity in his relations with all people; and amidst the mass of contradictory elements, he was in every way free from [matters of] peace-and-strife. Sometime he would engage in building an idol temple (deora) of the Hindus and [at other times devote] himself to laying the foundations of a mosque, in accordance with the law of Islam. Some time he would circumambulate the House of God [Kabba] in accordance with the customs of the mystical and spiritual people; and some times, he would go to visit the tower of Jagannath and Kashi. He had travelled to all the four quarters of the world, and owing to his travels and journeys, his entire legs up to the knees were worn down. In every land there was an uproar over his words, and in every country there was tumult from his Reality-surveying compositions. He had been in the company of God-Knowing saints and obtained favours from the assemblies of masters of spiritual truths. For a while he conversed His Holiness Shaikh Farid Shakar-ganj, obtaining thereby a treasure of sweetness, and from attending for a time on His Holiness Shah Abdur Rahman Bakhtyar he drew vernal favours. He put his body under severe austerities. This great man of the visible world and beautiful one of the spiritual, following the custom of the people, left behind his natural offspring in this temporal world. But his own eye favoured more the group of seekers and disciples, one of whom was Angat [Angad] Khatri. As he was favoured by his [Nanak’s] knowledge-laden eyes, he became cognizant of spiritual truths and the foundations of the commonwealth of faith. Some generations after him, Har Rai came into the world [and became his successor]. Group upon group of people bent their necks to follow and obey him, and glorified him through a thousand ways of giving him respect and honour. After him Guru Tegh Bahadur, his son (!), rose further in status in comparison with his father. He spent much time in sport and game, but because of the effect of the attention and pleasing ways of acceptance of that accepted one, the inclinations of the people and the flow of worldly things [towards him], such as petty items and valuables, money and goods, elephants and horses, did not decrease, so that instead of himself [doing so], his followers from time to time claimed sovereignty from him. A long he spent in this way in the mountainous country in the proximity of Sahrind [sirhind] and Bajwarea. At last, the seat of sovereignty received lustre by being occupied by his majesty Muhammad Aurangzeb Alamgir, who, owing to his passionate nature and regard for royal power, did not like such meaningless tumult. ….

Ksingh5 seems to talking about wacky RSS hindu contradictory beliefs where Sikhs are sometimes a branch of hindus who need to go back to hinduism or foreigners posing as hindus but actually being terrorist muslims. This is all nonsense. Ksingh5 if you are an atheist and think we are wasting our time with fairy tales and fables why bother telling us we are false and wasting our time?

That age group need to get on youtube vimeo facebook online, because we don't donate much to the channel and those studio guys cut the kids off time and again. Get on youtube instead with great videos, if they get enough views they might go viral and then on to their tv channels.

legal blatantly is a muslim I say admins keep an eye on his account for the malicious lies he will spread. What kind of a fool doesn't know grooming and sex with a minor isn't classified under rape. Legal why are you following muhammad a pedophilla prophet, he had sex with a 9 year old when he was in his 50s, what a shameful man the sex maniac with his pot belly kept telling people lies and threatening people with his sword.

hsd2 lol come on man don't be limited in the mindset that someone other than a sikh girl will find a sikh guy attractive. It does happen.. But like all things it can come at a financial cost marrying out can get you chucked out of your house and disowned