KEERPA

This just means instead of doing anything about it they are just going to "watch' it happen more and more.

Without getting into the full extent of this thread, Didnt GURU HARGOBIND SAHIB start miri-piri????????????????????????????????????? SO you "blame" Guru Gobind Singh but then what did Guru Hargobind start?????? Was Akal Takhat also "started by Guru Gobind Singh Sahib"?????????? :rolleyes: What was you point then other than insulting Sikhs with your comment????? :rolleyes: You guys always contradict yourselves everyother sentence :lol: The Gurubani needs to be compiled so when you insult by shallow thinking of calling Gubani anything other than Guru then you can never be called a Sikh. That I know of Sikhis masses have grown since Guru Gobind Singhs time even after facing slaughtering tyrants. Perish????? ravidasia hindus lie just about everyother word and thats a fact. Fact : ravidasia are hindus claiming to be Sikhs, if this was not so they wouldnt call themselves ravidasia.

No you do have a choice, its called sit your but on the floor. In Lodi when they first got a new Gurdwara they had a langar with only tables and chairs, and I said where do I eat then??? They said oh its only temporary (and it wasnt they still have majority tables and chairs) I asked then make a place for people that want to sit on the floor(pangat) they made an area about 5foot by 10foot and people really liked it (we all had to share the limited space so when you were dont eating you got up because someone else was waiting for your spot on the floor) Now they made it a little bigger so its 30feet by 20feet but to throw off the space they added these lame backrest things (which nobody uses cause youre leaning forward to eat not lounging back c ause your eating on the floor) the back rest things just make it so there isnt as much space for the people that eat on the floor, and what else did they do??? they build a platform making it like 3inches off the ground instead of just letting us sit on the floor they wasted money to build an un-needed platform then wasted even more money to build lame backrests etc. Moral of the story is I will never in my life eat langar on a table and chair setup. Once they tried to force us to do the lame langar setup and me and my wife just sat on the floor in the kitchen and ate while everyone else sat on chairs or milk crates. Dont sit on a chair in langar is as easy as not sitting on a chair to eat Guru-Ka-Langar. I never will ever ever. Lame excuses are "its only temporary until we blah blah lie this or blah blah lie about that etc" "its a cold climate etc blah blah" "I cant sit on the floor it hurts etc blah blah" etc blah blah "Im lame and pretend Im handicapped etc blah blah" "I have an antiSikh agenda and want everyone to follow the bad examples of how I want to change langar by adding chairs, next its the darbar Sahib etc blah blah" My opinion maybe them being so lazy and sitting on chairs makes them "feel addicted to chairs", so much that they do major beeaadbi to Guru Sahibs simple langar. Do everyone a favor and sit on the floor to eat and others will take notice and start to sit too on the floor, remember the world is not flat etc. Langar is not mandatory to sit on a chair so dont let the mislead community trap you to think youre bad for sitting on the floor. If you are handicapped to need to sit on a chair then I never condemn the handicapped but when you lie to yourself and sit on chairs then that is a lame lie you construct so you can be lazy. Langar is to eat not to chit-chat. Whoever reads this lets see if they ignore the humbleness of langar and ignore the need to sit on the floor. I will never sit on a chair for langar, if they try to make me I will figureout a way to not sit in a chair, last resort Ill stand up and eat even without a table. Ive seen at one Gurdwara they think they are clever and stand up but eat at a table still thinking they arent doing beadbi to Langar Sahib. VAHEGURU (edited to add the last sentence)

Thats their lame excuse to sit on tables and chairs???????? :rolleyes: Langar needs humbleness, you can eat at a table/chairs at home, at the Guru-ka-langar you need to sit on the floor in a row(pangat). The excuse of "its cold here" is a lame lame very lame excuss, cause the real reason is "I think Im too rich to sit on the floor while I eat, I own a liqour store or/doctor or/dentist or/insurance agent and make 1 million dollars a year, I have a $7000 dinner table at home on my marble flooring next to my grand staircase and I cant sit in pangat on the floor with people who are poor Sikhs" I think people that fight for langar with tables and chairs have no shame. Why do they not feel ashamed for changing Guru Sahibs simple Langar??????????? Vaheguru

yes pesh, as you went away from Guru Sahib (even if it was for one second you still did)

VeerJi kindly ask the admin to adjust your account name to be correct(with a"B") main panjabi bahuta aandha hai

The british are straight up lying and cheating administraotrs of fake Sikh history and hiring "puppet Sikhs" to try to instill half practiced Sikhi. They did a good job but were unable to hide this fact from us today. We need to go back to Gurmat and not Panjabi-mat which is different from Sikhi. You can be a Sikh from any country and follow GURMAT, but panjabis try to implement panjabi-mat into Sikhi. Now I now Im going to be called a "panjabi hater" which is not true, but panjabi cultural practices and Sikh practices differ in many ways, shapes and forms. The british tricked all the spiritually blind and ignorant people to fight against the people that follow Gurmat because the british knew they could not win by mere trickery but dividing the community in civil war was the only way for them to "try' to disrupt Sikhi, so far its workded for 100 years but when you see women returning to the truth of Sikhi and wearing turbans then you now that God gave them the understanding to not take the panjabi culture of "Its ok to just wear a chunni/dupatta, because men are only required to wear a turban etc". We need to start asking the Gurdwara to do a true Anand Sahib when finishing a program or anything of the sort, i.e. ALL 40 PAURIS not the cut down first 5 and then last pauri, which is the equivalent to reading the fisrt five pauris of JapJi and then reading the salok and then calling that a legit "JapJi recital" etc. If we allow the british lies and trickery to go further then we also have succombed to having our leg cut off and "claiming to be the fastest sprinter in the world". All the mix-up in Sikhi is due to the british "hiring" idiots that were in Sikh roop and having them run the Gurus Institutions. And when saying all this you got people trying to pull the "taliban Sikh" card, because they have fallen into the british trap of moorukhs that claim to be Sikhs. I also want to publicly retract a sakhi that I posted on another thread about the correct pronounciation of Gurbani and the Sakhi goes as "A Sikh said some Gurbani wrong" and instead of teaching the Sikh that he actually messed up big time and changed the meaning, he supposedly got the Sikh caned/beaten. After talking about it last night with a veer Sahib I can now stand by the fact that "somehow" these stories have emerged to make Guru Gobind Singh sound like a mean Guru so that people are discouraged from being blessed with Amrit. They (the moorukhs) want Guru Gobind SIngh to appear mean and strict beyond compassion, which I feel is a twisted Sakhi to detour Sikhs to be against Guru Gobind Singhs trust and rehat. A Sikh is Sikhi and Gurubani is Gurbani, and it wont contradict! Those that try to make it contradict are fools that try to justify there insecurity of following Sikhi, or are antiSikhs that want Sikhs to fall as a Panth. There are the emerging moorukh jathas of Anti Dasam Granth/Anti Guru Gobind Singh Sahib and they are noticing the emergence of true Sikhi even after 1984 and have to take their stance now or they might never get to win with public misleading and utter lies. If they dont act fast they might never have the chance to try to trick more people into foolishness and they will be the guy preaching to a wall with no following and no backing by who they are desperate for having a kachi sangat. Foolish people succumb to the "If you cant beat em join em" mentality. So keep your hair (all of it) and tie your turban and hold on tight you might fall to have the next wave of Sikh soldiers fight for advancement. Be to human shield for your brother/sister behind you in the ranks of this war front that all us GurSikhs are in. If a baba contradicts Sikhi then dont listen to them, if a sakhi contradicts Sikhi then dont listen to it, if a supposed history contradicts Sikhi then dont learn it. Gurmat is Sikhi. Guru Sahib doesnt contradict, only the fools will lie to make it. We must understand that there is Guru Sahibs way or no way. [edited due to grammatical/spelling errors]

This is a well needed post for the Panjabi community that goes to the Gurdwara

Just to make a quick comment. Last night we all got together to do reharaas Paath (I drove 1 hour to family sangat) GrandpaJi was the wisest one that was doing the correcting. If we messed up he surelt corrected us and we quickly made the correction and continued on. We did not question him and complain that we were messing up a few times on Guru Gobind Singhs bani, we just knew that he could not allow us to say the Bani wrong (which is a blessing to have someone know everything of the bani, Im talking slightly wrong is wrong and correcting us is good for everyone) With the ego thing, they ordered pizza and half the family is kewl with eating from nonAmritdharis and other half has discrimination from eating foods etc. When the arguement came down to "you guys think you are better" all we could do is say "you eat what you want and we eat what we want" and we have already argued this out and it will never end, so sometimes people use an ego card and its not ego, we simply are following Gurbani. SO Im glad we all came to an understanding and can step away from this thread as a finished conversation, with all our personal points established If anyone wants to talk about Micheal Jackson then go for it but the side subject has been spoken , kewl????

osho was very strange (Ill just leave my comment at that :

VeerJi where can I get these books???? I have one book called "spirit born people" but from a different author.......

Really good video..... I ask myself and picture what happened in Sikh history all the time. I have even imagined what went on in the video as a way for me to not overlook the kurbani of true Sikhs in Sikh History and thats what keeps me in the narrow marg of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Are you able to sacrifice yourself and not give up your faith????? Some give up their faith just to "apeear kewl" in todays society and could never give kurbani the light of day.......... Are you a Sikh of Guru Gobind Singh???? I ask my wife when she has a hard time, "can you wear our daughter on a necklace" and that gets her into the correct mindset really quick, its a reminder of how foolish we are to think we got a difficult task of being a strong Sikh in todays society. What is the movie called??? and also I would like to know where I can buy it?

people please dont pull out the ego and anger card please. It is not ego to correct someone, it is not an anger issue with teaching someone not to say incorrect pronunciations. I will use this example, lets say some guy walked into the Darbar Sahib with shoes on and no turban or at least rumala k? is it ego to tell the guy to get out of here with shoes on???? is it ego to tell the person to cover their head before coming into Darbar Sahib???????? Are you angry if someone did that??????? is it anger that starts a debate???? (maybe sometimes) but in this case I am correcting a completely wrong statement by my brother. Im sure he knows the correct way to say what he needed to correct (for his own good of doing Ardas correct) Did I gain anything from correcting him????(NO) Did he gain something for correcting his Ardas???(YES) Please dont use the "holier than thou" card as this is saying any teacher whether teaching Kirtan/Panjabi/Santhiya/Gurmat is teaching out of ego and angry if they get students that continue to struggle with a subject, this is saying the teacher is helping the students they are not flunking a student out of lifes journey. If a teacher gives a test and a student fails the test with a "F" grade does the teacher give that grade out of ego as in the teacher knows how to pass the test but the student needs to sharpen up their learning on the particular subject???? Does the teacher get full of anger just because someone might not have passed the class??? Now if someone is saying something relevant and true in a subject and someone is ignorant to the truth just because of who said it then which one is falling to ego???? what makes ignorance??? [two factors one or both 1. false information or 2. ego] If someone dont want to listen out of ego then it creates ignorance, but in a case where the information is false then it is a good thing to be ignorant, am I saying false information??? if so let me know where I am posting false information and I will be gladly looking forward into how I can change that. Please dont use cards that are incorrect. Seriously I deal with a surrounding amount of people who always critisise me and try to run me off because they must feel insecure with their Sikhi. I deal with people being racist(which is against Sikhi) I have people try to test me all the time. I had a babaJi from India come to my house just to test me and after 45mins of being grilled they said he was quite impressed of my knowledge of Sikhi from such a short time of being a Sikh and putting up with the bad half of the punjabi community. His jatha all left my house pretty happy with themselves, did I gain anything??? (no other than knowing people try to test me all the time) Perserverance is the key to understanding Sikhi not intellect, intellect has flaws while perserverance shapes your bad into good while there are scholars out there who "think they know it all" ie. a scholar mcleod (who just died either last month or two months ago) was not educated with santhiya in Gurmukhi and was a bias christian missionary trying to "debunk Sikhi" with saying what-did and what didnt happen in Sikh Sakhis. His information was strictly from "translations" and on one issue regarding the Kartarpur Bir he never actually studied or read or seen it and only got his information from another source (which was incorrect) and based his whole studies off of false scholars. SO... if you go back to his scholarly information (which because he recieved a phd in Sikh history was considered true because he went to a certain school etc) Everything was wrong in his academic studies and he still recieved a phd.... now if he perservered through finding his faults and correcting them then he might have figured he has a long way to go in order to recieve this suppoed "phd in SIkh History". Two reasons why he didnt care for false info 1. he was a christian and needs to make Sikhs not a credible religion for the world masses, and 2. he needed to be a scholar to have others that read his writings to not step into the classroom and just take his supposedly "scholar information" and ridicule Sikhs with it for the christian worlds benefit by using his false information that has been dressed up as true by his "phd'. again please dont pull out the ego card from me trying to help my brother out with stressing the need to know the Gurbani you are posting on a world known forum, false information is absorbed quickly by many while the deep truth is only wanted by a few people. This goes into the same subject of those that are Amritdhari supposedly "think they are better than everyone" which is a cheap excuse for those who dont follow Guru Gobind Singhs Marg of Gurmat Sikhi. Vaheguru Vaheguru Vaheguru Vaheguru Vaheguru

Yes I am emphasising the correctness of speaking Gurbani correct. Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj also was very strict in santhiya so dont think Im the only Sikh that stresses the need to not say "vekh ke andit kerna" when in fact is "DEKH ke andit KEETA". holier than thou nah, correcting someone that is completely incorrect YES So was it a weakness of Guru Sahib to get the Sikh caned for saying Gurbani wrong???????? hmmmmm????????? Im not interupting your sentence as this is a forum, in person yes it also sometimes is needed to correct someone while they are talking.... (cant wait to see your answer ) Sure so why not start right here correcting your statement of "vekh ke andit kerna" Why? because there is an increasing need to ensure that Gurbani is being accuratly transliterarted and translated wow contradictions contradictions, so If you are the ustad Ji then are you "holier than thou" or if I correct completely wrong statements then I am supposedly "holier than thou"??????????? If I teach someone something then I "think Im so wise and awesome " but when you always say "read my post" "read my post slowly' etc that is saying that you have the right of way by teaching people what you need to say but when I do I have to back down??? :lol: So yeliding the floor to someone that says "vekh ke andit kerna" is a huge blunder if I dont correct you Ji If you want to ignore my posts thats fine with me but brushing off my advice of needing to "maybe proof read your posts" is a sort of ignorance Ji As conversations morph so does a thread in a forum. While your at it go to every thread and make sure they are strictly about the title of the topic and complain to all those who get a subject "related" to the thread subject :lol: :D Vaheguru Vaheguru Vaheguru Vaheguru Vaheguru

ohhhh you mean "candy-coat" yeah I dont do that . hahahaha Like what "vekh ke andit kerna' htas not correct at all, not a mere "slipping on a letter' but totally changing the word. I am in super depth study of santhiya and do strict study of pronounciation so people that have been Sikhs for like 10 times longer than me should know how to speak or read correctly. I simply speak my mind, if someone has completely changed a word then I will red flag it, cuase as you say kids comeone here and might continue your vocabulary of "vekh ke kerna" or "sarbat da pala" or 'pul chuk maaf" All of which are as backwards as like saying we live on planet Girf. "vekh ke andit kerna" "pul chuk maaf" "sarbat da pala" are not translated at all it is transliterated and not just poorly but incorrectly, Guru Gobind Singh himself would have told you off for that, he also would tell me off when I do and I always keep that in the front of my mind. So watch what you are reciting/reading, and you think Im harsh about mispronouncing, if someone misleading people with wayyyyy incorrect Ardas then its best for me or anyone else that notices to correct the person so they dont continue the beeaadbi further.

Saturday August 22nd, 2009 1pm--5pm Bradshaw Gurdwara- Sacramento, CA All Ages

Sikhi is based on anything/anyone religious. If youre religious and have any of the five vices then you cant truly be religious, simple as that. Sikhi refers to hindus, muslims, christians, jews, buddists, Jains etc etc to help them out in their own religions also. As a Sikh we worship Ik Oankar and anyone that believes in Allah/Ram/Yahwey/Vaheguru is speaking of the same "one God" no matter what name you call Vaheguru. Its appaling to hear a Christian say Sikhs go and worship "your God" or Muslims trying to monopolize and saying Allah is "their God" (like God is "theirs" and not everyones) We are the manifestation of God. God is us and God is God Hinduism allows you to make your own way, whether being a yogi or a follower of a certain diety etc..... SO if you are a Sikh and try to attempt to make your own version of Sikhi is like being a hindu, matha teking to pictures is hinduish, performing arti with candles etc is straight up hindu, matha teking to Guru Sahib and not following the teachings is hinduish, having a weird way of matha tek and then walk three steps backwards and blindly doing this shows the person does matha tek as a "clever" way to not follow Sikhi and thinking merely matha tek is good enough devotional worship. Devoting your life to Gurmat Sikhi is devotional worship, Doing Kirtan is devotional worship, but matha teking/getting prashad/then eating langar and going home is not devotional worship and ends up being a pointless ritual if you do not gradually develop Sikh tenents in your mind as well as your life. SO when people do this and never develop a Sikh way of waking at Amritvela Naam Jap/minimum Sat Bania/Sunmukhi to Gurmukh then Im not suprized when other religions or other cultures say those people act like hindus. sad but true

I dont say "vekh" as this totally completely changes the meaning of the true words as "DEKH ke anditt kitta" say it correctly as in read the Panjabi it does not contain the letter "V" because if it was a "V" it wouldnt have the letter "D" "pull" chuk maaf????????? The word in panjabi starts with a "B" switching the letter B with a P just screws up what the word means. People you need to start reading the panjabi letters, it is not "sarbat da "pala"" It is a "B" as in bumble bee not pumple pee. If you cant even pronounce the prayer correctly then what value can it hold, you can really mess up the meaning of the words by replacing the correct letter with an incorrect one. Basically its like saying "Beace pe abon you" or saying we are "Zikhs" or Waheguru Ji Ki Vateh"(excuse my delibrate misspelling of the holy GurFateh Guru Sahib, just trying to prove a point) Say the correct words and letters, learn that ph or B or bh sound is different than the F sound, learn that the P sound is not the b sound etc etc etc..... --------------------------------- Now as to my comment about MJackson not Micheal Jordan He could help all the people in the world with money but helping his spiritual life and actions is the only thing that matters. Doing seva is supposed to help your spiritual life but isnt your spiritual life, he can buy evey kids clothes in the world but what is the use if doing evil actions?????????????? Being clever by being the stupidest of fools and doing fruitless seva is just a waste of money and effort. ਸਹਸ ਸਿਆਣਪਾ ਲਖ ਹੋਹਿ ਤ ਇਕ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਨਾਲਿ ॥ sehas siaanapaa lakh hohi th eik n chalai naal || Hundreds of thousands of clever tricks, but not even one of them will go along with you in the end. --------------- ਮਨਮੁਖ ਮੁਗਧ ਕਰਹਿ ਚਤੁਰਾਈ ॥ manamukh mugadhh karehi chathuraaee || The idiotic self-willed manmukhs try to be clever, ਨਾਤਾ ਧੋਤਾ ਥਾਇ ਨ ਪਾਈ ॥ naathaa dhhothaa thhaae n paaee || but in spite of their bathing and washing, they shall not be acceptable. ਜੇਹਾ ਆਇਆ ਤੇਹਾ ਜਾਸੀ ਕਰਿ ਅਵਗਣ ਪਛੋਤਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੨॥ jaehaa aaeiaa thaehaa jaasee kar avagan pashhothaavaniaa ||2|| As they came, so shall they go, regretting the mistakes they made. ||2|| ਮਨਮੁਖ ਅੰਧੇ ਕਿਛੂ ਨ ਸੂਝੈ ॥ manamukh andhhae kishhoo n soojhai || The blind, self-willed manmukhs do not understand anything; ਮਰਣੁ ਲਿਖਾਇ ਆਏ ਨਹੀ ਬੂਝੈ ॥ maran likhaae aaeae nehee boojhai || death was pre-ordained for them when they came into the world, but they do not understand. ਮਨਮੁਖ ਕਰਮ ਕਰੇ ਨਹੀ ਪਾਏ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਜਨਮੁ ਗਵਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੩॥ manamukh karam karae nehee paaeae bin naavai janam gavaavaniaa ||3|| The self-willed manmukhs may practice religious rituals, but they do not obtain the Name; without the Name, they lose this life in vain. ----------------- ਲਖ ਸਿਆਣਪ ਜੇ ਕਰੀ ਲਖ ਸਿਉ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਮਿਲਾਪੁ ॥ lakh siaanap jae karee lakh sio preeth milaap || Even if someone has hundreds of thousands of clever mental tricks, and the love and company of hundreds of thousands of people ਬਿਨੁ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਸਾਧ ਨ ਧ੍ਰਾਪੀਆ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਦੂਖ ਸੰਤਾਪੁ ॥ bin sangath saadhh n dhhraapeeaa bin naavai dhookh santhaap || still, without the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, he will not feel satisfied. Without the Name, all suffer in sorrow. ਹਰਿ ਜਪਿ ਜੀਅਰੇ ਛੁਟੀਐ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਚੀਨੈ ਆਪੁ ॥੩॥ har jap jeearae shhutteeai guramukh cheenai aap ||3|| Chanting the Name of the Lord, O my soul, you shall be emancipated; as Gurmukh, you shall come to understand your own self.-----------------------------------

getting leftover or donated material to make Kurtas/choley/kashera, engraved karas(with Gurbani) And selling at a reasonable price so they will make a paycheck just not a million bucks that the people that order from india for 10 cents and sell for five bucks. Come up with a website to order from that has reasonable prices that is direct with Punjabi Sikhs that are practicing Sikhs(dont drink/drugs) and need jobs. Having someone build the websites for these companies and giving them user friendly tools. BASICALLY calling it a "discount online store" and the more they get news out that they have good prices then people from all over will buy from them, also (having a shipper/warehouser and India delivery service etc Im about ready to start making afordable palki sahibs for people that have Guru Sahib at home and want to buy an affordable Palki for at home with out trading an arm and a leg with the bag full of money others charge for simple products. Vaheguru

Very kewl pics, and yes we all need to learn to read Gurmukhi to do Paat (not from transliteration)

Peopoe that dont believe Sikhi listen to manmukhs and/or fake Sants etc. If you feel happy not doing paat then you will definitely feel the worst of the worst when the time comes and can only regret that you screwed up your life by trying to plant a toasted cumin seed and trying to get a plant out of it. (or in my opinion you could be someone posting a bunk/fake story to try to discourage others to be as foolish as you are) (edited*****by me)

Vaheguru (there also is a fan page on Facebook for her)

Rag Asa is under the first pehar of the day from 3am to 6am Why dont the world do Asa Raag within the correct time??????????????? or when people do reharaas after lunch (sarcastic) Its weird when people start Asa di Vaar at 9am :rolleyes:

I feel having no Damadami Taksal Jathedar is a blessing for the panth to unite as one and not have all these different distinction within Jatha, people can follow the Akal Takhat Jathedar when a True Panthic Gursikh not bribed by politics is Jathedar and once then the Panth will grow to its upmost glory with more Amritdhari GuruSikhs than even in Guru Gobind Singhs time/era etc. Having a division of "oh Im akj, I have an ego towards you taksalis, or you being Nanaksar means ...... so I have a grudge against you etc" is why the Panth is in its current state, and having us all under the title of Guru Panth/Sikhi Panth Jatha then people will not try to disrespect Sikhi thru corrupt means (cause they would be thrown out for being corrupt from "Sangat not bribed by politics" etc) We need ekta and not just thru Jatha but for the entire Panth. Fighting over what "jatha" is better is where we can agrue till blue in the face with eachother and it doesnt get us anywhere. One question to everyone :Why would Baba Jarnail Singh Bindranwala hide to then appear "when the Panth is blessed"???? Wouldnt he stand toe to toe with the opposing forces and call them out if they were threatening Sikhs??????? When you Amrit Chauk you are blessed with Amrit from Panj Pyare and not a Jatha. Guru Sahib isnt Taksali or AKJ or Nanaksari etc etc... Guru Sahib is the Panth not a jatha. Why are some people trying to enforce their jatha as the best or the most strict etc?????? Once people understand Raj Karega Khalsa and not Raj Karega Jatha then Sikhi will blossom, until then its in neutral, and only induviduals can understand in any jatha. Panthic ekta is needed to be stressed and not worry about the tiny speculations that flow around wasting our time. Go learn Kirtan, Go learn Gatka, Go learn Paath, Go learn Ekta in its true form. Unite with Guru Granth Sahib personally and follow Sikh tenants whether or not everyone else is off track. I feel some are off track because the majority is off track and once we have a standard of Sikhi again then they will return to the arms of Guru Sahib Ji Maharaj. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh Sahib Jio

Younglady Ji PAPI was not saying its ok, he was saying if you are going to do it then go do it but "dont justify that it is ok in Sikhi to do such things". What the video does say is to use that energy for something positive instead of falling for the low practice of worldly pleasure (in which right after you dint accomplish anything) If you are trying to have a child with it then its not merely having intercourse, but if doing it for pleasure then you are wrecking yourself and stooping to maya and kaam etc. If ya notice I play lots and lots and lots and again lots of music and if bored of playing music I try to learn something new, and I can surely say it works for me and I stick to the adjustment of doing something else to stay in chardikala. Stooping to sex before marraige is a very good way of screwing your life up and adding a mood or aspect of the mind that is "almost" impossible to detour, especially if you are young. Dropping this aspect in life lets you understand the bigger picture of life, and being attached to the thought of sex is downgrading the mind in everyway shape and form. Yes the Gurus had kids but didnt dwell in the fact of pleasure but procreation etc. My wife and I thought it was gross and totally disgusting the way Guruka SIngh talks in the way he does i.e at 7min 17 seconds to 7mins 46 seconds [we see his idea but his reference is gross] "she is a juicy pretty little thing, what a sext little girl" (eeewww he is an old man saying this stuff) now him saying this to us was totally disgusting even as a metaphoric refrence. Basically he told us the depth of his thinking upon seeing young women, my wife doesnt like his speaking anymore as he also cusses alot and in my opinion he could watch his mouth when making these videos. If he speaks like that in person i guess he can (its still not ok) but better than speaking on a documented circulating video etc. Sikhi says those who speak filth have filth in the mind. or also ਚਿਟੇ ਜਿਨ ਕੇ ਕਪੜੇ ਮੈਲੇ ਚਿਤ ਕਠੋਰ ਜੀਉ ॥ chittae jin kae kaparrae mailae chith kathor jeeo || Those who wear white clothes, but have filthy and stone-hearted minds, ਤਿਨ ਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਊਪਜੈ ਦੂਜੈ ਵਿਆਪੇ ਚੋਰ ਜੀਉ ॥ thin mukh naam n oopajai dhoojai viaapae chor jeeo || may chant the Lord's Name with their mouths, but they are engrossed in duality; they are thieves.