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"Remember Shaheed singhs parwara (Families) are still out there, most of them begging and even selling there bodies to survive. Outside Harmandhar sahib you will get bibia begging, and guess what most of them are from a shaheed singh family. What a Sharam di gal, if we cant show our support in these smagams then sorry to say we will never get raaj, nor Khalistan. " i seen a email on the akj egroup about 6 top kirtani being called ?? how much they costing ??? why not give their ticket money to the shaeedi parvars ??? a smagam like this could be arranged with local kirtani... singing kirtan together and remembering them is one thing (a great thing) but to waste money where it is needed is another.... a lot of smagams nowadays are truly forgetting the reality of what smagams are about, including sanjah smagama, akj smagams, etc... to much emphasis on top kirtanee and not enough emphasis on Gurbani kirtan....

looks like a bit of a pisstake really, not sure what the point is, you seem them laughing a lot, maybe it's some stupid project they doing, though they seem to have got the wrong end of the stick on many things about sikhs...

come on guys getting flaggin, i see there's many copies on there, start flagging them all, I have... how many flags before they will take something off ???

I like your comments, you sound like a true politician :D , but my personal view is most kids nowadays need the old khalsa way of upbringing, you do some putea kam you get some shittar, i'm sure it never hurt you and I know it made me a better person for it, if a child has no fear of consequences you reckon they will turn out in to be a upstanding member of the community, I have to disagree, if you are a rebel in your youth unless the hand of some form of discipline is there it is a 99% gurantee you will not obey the laws of society as you grow older.

Personally it would have been better the cop's just clipped round his ear hole, like in the olden days, the youth of today hand around in gangs, really get up residence noses, baiscally are just a nuisance, cop's can't do anything without getting done by the PC brigrade, schools hands are ties, teachers can't do anything, parents have lost total control of these brats, so who suffers, the community as a whole, there's no discipline left, no wonder youth crime is on the rise, and stats that came out from schools was shocking, 4 year olds are suspended, expelled, young children involved in what can only be termed as a sXX crime, what can you say ??? society need's the law to enforce harshly, in order to bring back law and order....also reports were that they were throwing conkers are car's driving by, imagine what the real conequences could have been, an accident ??, a disgruntled driver stopping and giving them a beating ?? the problem is only half the story ever come's out, I don't think many of us would be happy if the conker smashed our windscreen or something worse !!!

though the intent is nice i have to agree to do ustat of those who are living and are young is dangerous, we know nothing of tomorrow and we should admire from withing and do ardaas that maharj looks after those that we feel are role models, but to create a site and write tributes, is a dangerous way of feeding sukham houmai, the one we cannot see.....

didn't think you pronounce siharrees ??? how do you pronounce sihaarees ??? satguru would be come sateguru, gaal & naal, would be come galea nalea ??? confused at how you would do this ???

yeh i've had as well, probably the servers the site's hosted on....

fair point, though i remember coming there and listening to someone lecture on stage how the bhangra groups kept sikhi going LOL, though if they youth can get progs like this going and more awareness about sikhi, idiots like him might change as well !!!!

Guru ji's undoubtedly portrayed love, peace and equality but Maharaj (not your fake sadhu but dhan dhan guru granth sahib Ji) clearly also tell's us what happen's to pakahandis who are taags and con people into believing in them when they have zero kamai, don't kid yourself the damage this man and his father did and are doing is prevalent in poster's like yourself, they talk about a religion or way of life and select only what they wish to quote, as most of it will talk abou truth and justice this does not appeal to them, they will deny that Mahraj condemns the those who brain wash innocent people with fake gyaan, I am sorry but the reality is the panth has decided that this man and his father are not sikhs and have themselves brought upon them the justice they were given for disrespecting Guru Granth Sahib ji, then to quote it to preach is pure hyporicsy, if you feel that such a man is your maharaj then good luck to you, we should all do ardaasas that Guru ji blesses you with the samatth to see through such a person !!!!!

is the g'wara that is building the new cultural centre (party sharty hall) and was anti the school???

is this is a kirtan smagam or katha smagam ??? 100,000 that does seem a lot but hey you never know....

From akj.org.... Vaaheguroo Jee Kaa Khalsaa Vaaheguroo Jee Kee Fateh Gurmukh Lahaa Lai Gaye... Our beloved Gursikh Bhai Saheb Bhai Giani Nahar Singh Jee completed his Sansaar Yatraa at 10.15 am in Ludhiana. He touched numerous lives and was always advocating Amrit Vela, Shudh Ucharan of Baani, discipline in life, time management, and reading Sikh literature. He was a Gurmukh in the true sense and all of us will miss his sangat. Let's all get together and do Ardaas for the departed Gursikh soul. If you need more information, you may call his son, Tejwant Singh Ji, in Toronto. His phone numbers are: 905 455 4064 416 278 7455 905 790 8773 Sifatee Gand Pavey Darbaar... (one of my favorite shabads that he did!) waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroooooooooo Das Gurdeep Singh

the problem is the Ubhi did spearhead a lot of campaigns, fair enough he may not be involved with this current one but mud unfortunately does stick, i'm not sure what else he could do in respect to distancing himself from this. I am surprised though that punjabi families are suddenly finding that it is okay to do these marriages in the g'ware, time gone by people would have been embrassed that their children were marrying out of colour so to speak, for me the issue is deeper we have lost a generation ! let this generation of gursikhs work hard to educate and bring back lost one's who are trying to find the way and focus on future generations through camps and parchar....

dalsingh101 has hit the nail on the head, khalsa isn't about external appearances, as when the shittar come the will disappear as there is nothing inside to keep it, aap savaarehi mai milehi mai miliaa sukh hoe || God says, ""If you reform yourself, you shall meet me, and meeting me, you shall be at peace. maharaj is beant and can show the world in an instant the pakhansi and the bhagats, let not get caught up in the whole bana = khalsa, bana is good but has it's place, the sikhi within has to be there to be a khalsa.

This is the problem that many of us hide behind, we can go to the wedding of a relative or mate who is "indian" and basically agree with all their manmat through who our bounded silence of friendship and then on the other hand when there is a white person we are ready to kill everyone !!!!! you tell me how stupid that sounds, as for petrol bombing cars, well what can you say to that, that goes beyone stupidity, the car's are insured so what you are actually achieving ??? other than showing the sikh youth of today have fallen foul of the same mistakes the so called elders made, instead of showing our intellect and understanding of sikhi we have adopted the stupidity they have, fight in the gurudwarea, petrol bomb cars, follow so called leaders who are totally hypocritical, I could go on but it just make's you feel sad at the fact this generation will probably end up like the old one, fighting for choudur of gurudwarea. Sikhoo wake up and follow your Guru and not individuals with dodgy agendas.

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Thanks for the explaination, but is this replacing the sanjah smagam that was going to be taking place in October ??? mods - you seem to jump in quick with the red ink, they were only questions and sikhroots have explained them adequately.

though it's nice to see the enthuasiasm for keertan, let's not forget the reason why we go to programs, to focus on Gurbani and try to make those moments as valuable as possible, whoever come's comes, just try to be there in mind and spirit and not in just in body !!!!

Mod Edit : If you wish to discuss the admin and organisation of the program, you have been given the telephone numbers to contact on the poster.

i hate to say this but the recent no one is talking about what they learn't is cus of the "akjers" treat the camp as get together, be honest guys, u lot have a good doss and attend the odd lecture, the camp organisers need to reduce the number of akjers there and allow more of the one's who want to come and learn !!!

Veer Namstang ji you claim to read and respect only guru ji but yet you have claimed something which is questionable, do you honestly believe that the bhagats mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib never met Guru Nanak Dev Ji ??? how do you explain the below pangatee ??? naamaa jaidhaeo ka(n)beer thrilochan aoujaath ravidhaas chamiaar chameeaa || Naam Dayv, Jai Dayv, Kabeer, Trilochan and Ravi Daas the low-caste leather-worker, jo jo milai saadhhoo jan sa(n)gath dhhan dhha(n)naa jatt sain miliaa har dheeaa ||7|| blessed Dhanna and Sain; all those who joined the humble Saadh Sangat, met the Merciful Lord. ||7|| it is evident that the bhagats met the same lord that guru nanak dev ji was immersed within, i've heard the argument that the bhagats weren't even in the same lifetime etc, but guru ji wasn't limited to time, vaheguru isn't something which we can confine into records and history, the bhagats renounced much of what they were taught and truly rejoiced in the greatness of god and his naam. Coming back to whether or not she is a sikh or not and should be allowed to do parchar on radio stations as such, I would say if you believ it is acceptable why not have a sikh scholar do parchar of other religions on the radio stations as well, we would get more listeners from their communities and every religion talks about god in one way or another, though the concept of sukh sagar would be diluted though, I have heard this argument time and time again but the reality is we as people look to something different, why ?? i don't know, you say we should read and learn all the above gurbani you have mentioned, the next question is if we did this what would be the need for parcharaks, this is something I do agree with you on, we really need to understand and learn ourselves, only then will we able to know if someone is conning us or speaking the truth. Vaheguru ji ka khalsa, Vaheguru ji ki fateh...

actually after reading all the comments I have to admit I kind of agree with cyber babbar on this one, why ??? well sukh sagar don't do themselves any favoure (the uk one), they seem to think they can do what they want and associate with who they want too, wheteher or not they fit the definition of sikhi, she isn't saying anything that hasn't been written by the great gursikhs of the past, the real problem is people don't want to educate themeselves or read, rather just listen to mp3s or audio tapes, we should all be khojis of gurbani and not rely on anyone, the problem is that what she might say seem's right, where is it really coming from ??? i don't know but if she truly love's gurbani and sikh why not adopt her real name and accept Gurubani as her Guru ??? people stop being so naive when it come's to these issues, there are plenty of Sikhi related material that sukh sagar could use but no they always like to adopt the new FAD or cool thing....

wheres all the kirtani that were advertised, i though bhai amolak singh was here has he gone ??? isn't dulla ji coming at all ??? i'm so disappointed, was looking forward to the rainsbhai...