.- Prabhjot Singh -.

:D May Waheguru give you all His blessings on your spiritual journey veer ji!

Waheguru!! :D Firstly, let me congratulate you for coming back to the Sikhi roots! you have managed to achieve a lot in such a small age, it is really incredible! About your family being non-supportive: according to my tuchh buddhi, I can understand it must be difficult for you to focus with all the anti-sikhi stuff going around at your place. As you said, it would be ideal if you were to live in an all gursikh environment but sadly it is not so in your case? So, the question is what to do? Veer ji, im just a nimaana banda, cant say much because I myself have a lot of learn but my heart says that with the path and Waheguru ji's grace, you can make a change in your home. It may not be instant, but stick to your beliefs and do ardaas to Waheguru ji to give your family members some sumatt. Waheguru ji has got immense treasure with him, who knows, one day they just might change their viewpoint and appreciate you for your love for sikhi jivan! Think of the bhagats: Bhagat Ravidaas for example, he was a chamaar, used to deal with leather still his heart was always with the Akal Purakh. I am not saying that we can be like him (or maybe we can, with Guru's grace), all I am saying is just keep yourself to bani and do as much path as possible. If they yell and shout, Id say just turn up the Gurbani in your room to a level where you dont get to hear the 'noises'. That way, you can listen to Gurbani better AND keep noises at bay about meat, dont worry veer ji, see if you can get your own cooking gear and keep it exclusive. Let them eat whatever they want, coz as you said they wouldnt listen, you can tell your mom politely if you can have a simple meal cooked seperately? If that is too much for her, maybe you can cook our own food? See if you can come up with some options? Veer ji, moving out MIGHT be the right answer, but they are your family after all. You need support, being still in your late teens and all. By the way, Maskeen Sahib once said 'A sant plays his ROLE in the family, but lives with Akal Purakh all the time'. So, just play your role as a son, brother, etc. but dont let these issues bother you, keep reciting manglacharan whenever they are around, see if that makes any difference! I dont know if I have given any proper advice but veer ji, dont worry, just do more abhayas and you will be fine

Wjkk Wjkf I give up singho. Do whatever you want, im not posting in this thread anymore.. Fateh

Wjkk Wjkf veer ji Nobody is sugar coating facts, in fact if you read my previous posts I suggested, according to my tuchh budd, that we need to start correcting ourselves and our girls and then when the khalsa is all united and in one tune, only then alien powers will subdue. Till then, no matter what we do, pick up knives and rifles and all, its just not going to happen. Remember what Sant Jarnail Singh did? He was a true Sant Sipahi! He was a sant first, in that he inspired people into shakkna amrit, and was getting so much success at it. The retaliation against Indira came later. I hope you are getting the drift! We, thats including myself, need to work on ourselves first. Pehla ta we need to be blessed with Gurus love and unite as KHALSA, then things will start to make sense! Bhull Chukk MAaf PS: food for thought - just how many amritdhari singhnia get lured by these muslims?

wjkk wjkf ji Thanks for the articles veer ji. I just want to clarify my point - I said why say bad against Mohammed. By that, I mean we should not criticise other world religions in retaliation. Maskeen Sahib used to say 'Mohammed Sahib'. All im saying is have respect for what other believe in, we dont have to agree or follow what they say! I never said we should REVER mohammed, all im saying is.. ahh never mind

Fateh There are always going to two viewpoints regarding this. All Im going to say is do whatever you want, but please for Waheguru ji's sake, do not bring shame to sikhi. Sorry but i just had to add this

Wjkk Wjkf I am double minded about this story. What they are doing in principle is right i.e standing up against hatred and prejudice. This is something Sikhs have been doing in the past, and will continue to do so in the future. However, the approach these guys are using isnt right in my opinion. The last thing we need is sikhs getting labelled as extremists by british government. And im afraid if such 'gangs' keep doing what they claim they are doing, it will surely create insecurities within the other communities. Just think of a non-muslim walking in the park and see if he actually will understand the REAL reason why they are there. It create bad image of the khalsa, even though the anger is absolutely justified. And also, i dont think creating up another 'hate' website is any step forward towards dealing with the issue/s. And why hate Mohammed? QUOTE: It is said that mohammed had sex with a 9 year old while he was 50 something years old, I don’t know how much truth is in this! But if it is, you idiots are following a paedophile. There is no way of justifying such an act, (would you let any man sleep with your 9 year old daughter?) That to me is not appropriate, insulting someones religion. If someone speakes ill of our gurus, why do we do? start speaking bad about their prophet? Guruji wouldnt agree with this, im sure. What we really should be doing instead is educating our girls. We should make them realise what beautiful gem sikhi is. And that is going to start at their homes. It is hard to break old habits, so ones that have strayed, we can only pray for them but the pre-teen generation needs to be educated by their parents and peers about the importance of sikhi, more importantly perhaps the concept of Khalsa. Sikhs have to do extra effort and should pray to Waheguru to give them more strength in dealing with this. This is one homework that, well, has to start from home, not from homepages. bhull chukk maaf!

YEAH LETS ALL GET REAL.....I understand the limits of faith or I should say for some people there is no limit for faith. The one who posted this nonsense I have a answer for him or her....When you have a wife and kids and top of that you have bills and expensives to pay, you are not gonna sit home and have faith so guru jee will throw food at you.....you would have to work hard to earn that money to feed your family and survive. what if the person only has one way to work his expensives out such as a convenient store? I know many amritdhari people in cali who own gas stations and they are responsible family men and also sikhs of guru jee. When you have a family, you will realize what these men have to go through not for their future but their families. Why dont you leave america/canada/uk/even india for another planet where women dont walk around half naked on streets....are u gonna stay inside your home forever?...guru jee would never walk streets where half naked women walked...?u see where I am getting at?? have faith but dont talk like 10 year olds in this crazy world, you wont survive buddy. Wow, seems like you have taken it all a bit personally. All we are saying is have faith in Waheguru ji. Ok, it might sound arrogant but the only way I can explain this is by my own story. I am a student here in the uk, came from india a few years back. I didnt want to depend on my family for support so started looking around for a job. I was offered a counter job at asda but realising ill have to sell cigs n all, my will just didnt agreee (and I used to cut hair at that time!!). Then, as Waheguru ji does his apar kirpa, i found a decent office job as a audio typist (waaay better than selling cigs!). plus money wasnt bad either. Waheguru Ji made the waseela hiimself! You understand what I am getting at?? If you are willing to give up your morals like that, then I dont know what to say! Khalsa ji, use some common sense, if someone is an amritdhari, it is but logical that you stay away and have nothing to do with all the crap that Guruji has forbidden us from. Plus, arent we, as sikhs, try and follow every word of the Guru? While doing sehaj paath, i had come across a tuk which was something about beerhi (tobacco), ill see if i can find it again. And sorry veer ji for being harsh but I didnt like your tone when you referred to Guruji's story as 'nonsense'. Please take care that you do not hurt any sentiments here. Bhull Chukk Maaf

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wjkk wjkf pehn ji, before you connect it to the laptop ull have to pop the installation cd in the drive, it should autostart. follow the instructions on screen to install active sync and outlook express 2002. its the activesync that will detect ur pda so after uve done the aboce step connect the phone and u should be able to connect. hope this helps

Thats one long read!! will read it later oh btw, how do i SUE the link?

If you have been given the gift of having knowledge of naam simran and bani's then you must do both. The are both interlinked, doing naam simran, aswell as praising God and letting God take care you, it also helps your mind to focus better on doing the your banis. It is good to do simran before reading your bani. Because in bani it says, your mind is washed by the naam, and if you don't your mind will stink. And the bani's ultimate message is, naam. Everywhere, do naam, morning, at work at night even in sleep, never forget the naam wherever you may be. In Bani it also says, in whatever state of mind thinking of God is practised, whether meditating, whilst your working just reciting the naam, his praises are sung. So both are to be done. That is true devotion, and this really proves you are longing to be with God, because you can't read banis all day, well most of us can't even if we could read for most of the day, then we'd still need a break, like to eat or go to the toilet, whilst doing this we can jap naam. So both are required. well said veer ji. I remember one katha where maskeen ji said when someone goes int sant avastha, naam simran happens automatically with every breath, they dont even have to make a conscious effort to do so. Such people must be truly blessed!! [

haha.. that reminds me on the first day i wore a dastaar to work...........hehehe...........for the story to make sense i work in a SEN school.......... Me: Hello [childs Name] how are you today? Child: Aaaaaaw Hello lovely [MyName] are you feeling poorly today? Me: :umm: noooo im fine my dear whats makes you say that...... Child: well Miss u had such a big bandage on your head..........ur head must be very poorly............. Me: :lol: i then proceeded to tellthe child about the turban and they seemed facinated.........but as they went to class the child shouted.........."Hope you feel better Miss" :lol: dont you just love kids? hehehe cute!!

mailed u as well fateh

Wjkk wjkf ji, I don't think you can install STTM on a symbian device because its architecture and runtime environment is different from windows or palm os. However, ias one of the members pointed out I also feel such applications should be open source so that developers can port them to other operating systems. Daas is a computer engineer so I'm sure with waheguru jis kirpa this can be achieved for s60v3 too. The main problem with symbian is it is difficult to render gurmukhi fonts but at least the romanised version can be ported fairly easily. Anyhow, at the mo its a no I'm afraid!

I absolutely agree with Harjeet.Singh ji, education is very important. Unless someone knows about what they are missing, they can never know. Having said that, kids should also be allowed to question, and they should be given pointers to the right answers (in accordance with gurbani). I think human being is like a spring, the more u press it down the more it will bounce back. I've seen some really bebaki sikhs do that to their kids, forcing them into dharam, that's where we have the revolt brewing. As much as we love sikhi, we should also realise that some people just done have in their karm to be gursikhss, old sins from previous life or present. Matt should be given, but if still nothing comes out of it, then it should be clear the persons karms are not right and that he is not worthy of wearing crown on his/her head. I kind of got carried away so forgive ne if I've said abything inapprpriate or have hurt anybodys feelings. Charhdi kala ch raho mere singh veero te pehno!

Wjkk Wjkf ji Sikh world is going through difficult times. On one hand, people in India are cutting their hair with the western influences sweeping the moralities under the carpet. On the other hand, we have sikh 'extermism', people who, maaf karna, seem to take great pride in playing the 'part' with bana/chola but i personally know some who dont follow gurbani properly. For them, its more about jathebandi and politics than the actual shuh karms. Im sorry, i might be totally wrong, and perhaps I am not the right person to comment on this anyway, but being a 'sikh' returning back to maryada, both opposite ends make me sad. As far as Kuri Maar is concerned, it is all down to education. Unless we dont educate the poorest of the poor, such things will happen, purely out of ignorance. Once those people realise that girls are equal to men, can take care of their families by earning and doing decent jobs, maybe point of views will change then. Also, maaf karna, i think we need to drop so called 'male ego', something which we see so much in sikh world. Once that augann is controlled, with Waheguru jis blessings, we will learn to deal with above situations in a much more rational way. And no, Khalsa will never die. Guru jis word is infintely more powerful than these little problems we brothers and sisters are facing these days, by Waheguru ji's grace, we will sail through this ocean too just as we have done in the past. Bhull chukk maaf ji

this thread is funny, yet thought provoking at the same time! First off, sorry if some of you might think I dont qualify as a sikh but i just had to share this. Since ive decided to not cut my hair/beard anymore, people who knew me as a 'mona' ask me why im wearing this 'Bandage' on my head i smile back and say 'yes, i was ill, for a long long time, now i am trying to recover' The other day, one friend at work jokingly commented 'you wearing the turban, u scared of ur father?' hehe, i said 'Yes, scared of my Father, absolutely true. And since I love his feelings, I am trying to respect his wishes' he did not understand the metaphor at first, but it clicked with him a bit later hehe anyway, thats my story! keep posting!

Dhan Dhan Guru Amr Daas Ji says: ਰਾਮੁ ਰਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਭੁ ਜਗੁ ਫਿਰੈ ਰਾਮੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਜਾਇ ॥ raam raam karathaa sabh jag firai raam n paaeiaa jaae || The entire world roams around, chanting, ""Raam, Raam, Lord, Lord"", but the Lord cannot be obtained like this. (Ang 555) i think what really matters is true devotion, that longing to be at the feet of Akal Purakh, then whatever praise comes out of the mouth is worthy enough as a prayer, be it naam simran or bani paath bhull chukk maaf ji

fateh veer ji just to add to Singhsons comment - see if you can keep your joora a bit loose when you tie it that way you can flatten it a little bit more. Some people seperate kesh in two parts and then tie a 'knot' in front then run rest of kes along sides of the head, dunno if its appropriate but it helps!

Wjkk Wjkf pehn ji, As the person above me said - please do not think negatively. Maybe Waheguru Ji has put you through this test, have faith in Him. You said your husband loves you a lot, why dont u test that then? Make him sit down and have a proper chat with him - explain to him the emotional turmoil you are going through, and that you wish your kids be raised as sikhs. If he really loves you for what you are, he will agree. Also, try explaining to him that as much as you respect his beliefs, you want to practice sikhi lifestyle, and that he shouldnt force him into doing pooja or whatever rituals his family (and your family now) follows. Along with that, do as much path as you can, I would suggest a sehaj path of Guru Granth Sahib ji, do ardaas regarding this and leave the rest to Akal Purakh. If He has decided you guys stay together, then you will surely find mutual understanding, if not, then accept his Hukam with a smiling face and ask Him what to do next, He WILL reply if you ask with true faith. All the best Bhull Chukk Maaf!

well said!

EDIT: will wait till I know I am, until then sikhs please feel free to do seva !

what if you could not find any more work..... would you just go on benefts then from the government......... Khalsa ji if non skilled work is what you are talking about (where you don't degrees etc) there's plenty around. Try looking for a job at security 3000 in birmingham trust me you won't have to go on dole. Veer ji, have some faith in akal purakh, He will take care of you if you be in his hukam. Sorry if I've said anything wrong..

I'm not amritdhari so forgive me for replying but id say try to avoid it. My dad was amritdhari whenever we would go shopping. He wouldn't touch any bags containing eggs etc even. I know you wouldn't be consuming them but see if you can avoid it. It would be weird to see a amritdhari singh selling cigs I think. Bhull chukk maaf