Jujhar Singh

when satguru ji used to distribute langar there was no limit on space, whereas within buildings there are limited space. Use some common people!

when did Guru Gobind Singh say this?

how about when people who do kirtan use these bollywood tunes to do kirtan in, is that ok though?

it doesn't mean that they will become one with akaal purakh does it?

but the pressure is always on singhs to make peace and unite with moneh right? why can't moneh become singh's then? why do kesdharis have to change?

playing devils advocate, why don't all the people who cut their hair become singhs?

Theres not many sevadaars down at the Sikh Channel, Any one local go there, volunteer and help out! Please!

I say shoot them!

Just a small suggestion?

the pink dastaar singh had the most awesome moves!

have fun! they are!

I thought it was number 31 at your local chinese restraunt?

Sorry, but I just dont understand the concept? I'm not being ignorant, but no one has sat me down and explained it to me, would you care to?

But I thought Shabad was Guru and not Guru Nanak?

This is the same as the Rababis of Amritsar, they were viewed as 'anti sikh' and now look at the Kirtan that happens in Amritsar!

Thanks for clearing that up Bijla Singh, you've given me a perspective to think about.

Thanks alot Bijla, now I see it. the SHABAD is Guru, not Guru Granth Sahib or Guru Panth. Thanks!

Pakhandi Namdharis take birth and die... Guru Nanak Sahib was in human form and 'passed away' too, so did the next 10 Guru's... Where they pakhandi too?

Swordsedge, vah your post was full of lies, hate and incentive to prove your faith correct. Well Done, you have done well to prove the Namdhari's to be 'fake'. This will not stop them believing in what the believe, as they have Sharda in their Guru just like you have full Sharda in Guru Granth Sahib, Guru Panth Khalsa, Guru Panj Pyare, Guru Singh Sabha are all the 11th guru :S. Fair enough, you have more Gyan than me, I am not going to bother replying to the post, some may see this as a failure on my part, but I don't want to break the Sharda you have in your Guru. I am a gavacha at the moment and haven't seen peace anywhere yet, when I find that I will get off these forums and do something with my life. However, I do know one little thing. To call people fake and pakhandi is deeming very easy these days. I'll leave you with these shabads: ਸਲੋਕ ਮਃ ੪ ॥ salok ma 4 || Shalok, Fourth Mehl: ਮਲੁ ਜੂਈ ਭਰਿਆ ਨੀਲਾ ਕਾਲਾ ਖਿਧੋਲੜਾ ਤਿਨਿ ਵੇਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਮੁਖੈ ਨੋ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ mal jooee bhariaa neelaa kaalaa khidhholarraa thin vaemukh vaemukhai no paaeiaa || The faithless baymukh sent out his faithless servant, wearing a blue-black coat, filled with filth and vermin. ਪਾਸਿ ਨ ਦੇਈ ਕੋਈ ਬਹਣਿ ਜਗਤ ਮਹਿ ਗੂਹ ਪੜਿ ਸਗਵੀ ਮਲੁ ਲਾਇ ਮਨਮੁਖੁ ਆਇਆ ॥ paas n dhaeee koee behan jagath mehi gooh parr sagavee mal laae manamukh aaeiaa || No one in the world will sit near him; the self-willed manmukh fell into manure, and returned with even more filth covering him. ਪਰਾਈ ਜੋ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਚੁਗਲੀ ਨੋ ਵੇਮੁਖੁ ਕਰਿ ਕੈ ਭੇਜਿਆ ਓਥੈ ਭੀ ਮੁਹੁ ਕਾਲਾ ਦੁਹਾ ਵੇਮੁਖਾ ਦਾ ਕਰਾਇਆ ॥ paraaee jo nindhaa chugalee no vaemukh kar kai bhaejiaa outhhai bhee muhu kaalaa dhuhaa vaemukhaa dhaa karaaeiaa || The faithless baymukh was sent to slander and back-bite others, but when he went there, the faces of both he and his faithless master were blackened instead. ਤੜ ਸੁਣਿਆ ਸਭਤੁ ਜਗਤ ਵਿਚਿ ਭਾਈ ਵੇਮੁਖੁ ਸਣੈ ਨਫਰੈ ਪਉਲੀ ਪਉਦੀ ਫਾਵਾ ਹੋਇ ਕੈ ਉਠਿ ਘਰਿ ਆਇਆ ॥ tharr suniaa sabhath jagath vich bhaaee vaemukh sanai nafarai poulee poudhee faavaa hoe kai outh ghar aaeiaa || It was immediately heard throughout the whole world, O Siblings of Destiny, that this faithless man, along with his servant, was kicked and beaten with shoes; in humiliation, they got up and returned to their homes. ਅਗੈ ਸੰਗਤੀ ਕੁੜਮੀ ਵੇਮੁਖੁ ਰਲਣਾ ਨ ਮਿਲੈ ਤਾ ਵਹੁਟੀ ਭਤੀਜਂ​ੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਆਣਿ ਘਰਿ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ agai sangathee kurramee vaemukh ralanaa n milai thaa vahuttee bhatheejanaee fir aan ghar paaeiaa || The faithless baymukh was not allowed to mingle with others; his wife and niece then brought him home to lie down. ਹਲਤੁ ਪਲਤੁ ਦੋਵੈ ਗਏ ਨਿਤ ਭੁਖਾ ਕੂਕੇ ਤਿਹਾਇਆ ॥ halath palath dhovai geae nith bhukhaa kookae thihaaeiaa || He has lost both this world and the next; he cries out continually, in hunger and thirst. ਧਨੁ ਧਨੁ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਹੈ ਜਿਨਿ ਨਿਆਉ ਸਚੁ ਬਹਿ ਆਪਿ ਕਰਾਇਆ ॥ dhhan dhhan suaamee karathaa purakh hai jin niaao sach behi aap karaaeiaa || Blessed, blessed is the Creator, the Primal Being, our Lord and Master; He Himself sits and dispenses true justice. ਜੋ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਕੀ ਸੋ ਸਾਚੈ ਮਾਰਿ ਪਚਾਇਆ ॥ jo nindhaa karae sathigur poorae kee so saachai maar pachaaeiaa || One who slanders the Perfect True Guru is punished and destroyed by the True Lord. ਏਹੁ ਅਖਰੁ ਤਿਨਿ ਆਖਿਆ ਜਿਨਿ ਜਗਤੁ ਸਭੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ eaehu akhar thin aakhiaa jin jagath sabh oupaaeiaa ||1|| This Word is spoken by the One who created the whole universe. ||1|| And ਮੈ ਜੇਹਾ ਬੇਮੁਖੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਤੇ ਬੇਮੁਖ ਹਤਿਆਰਾ । mai jayhaa baymukhu n koi satiguru tay baymukh hatiaaraa| No one is a savage apostate like me turning away from the Guru. From Bhai Gurdas ji dhe vaaran K singhni, no I am not that Jujhar Singh, Sorry

the debate is not about kookay, plus i don't understand your theory... run it by me again. Thanks

you are reading the bani in the wrong context. Plus I mentioned NOTHING about kookay. the line I'm trying to make you understand is: ਜਬ ਜਬ ਹੋਤ ਅਰਿਸਟ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥ Whenever numerous tyrants take birth, ਤਬ ਤਬ ਦੇਹ ਧਰਤ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥ Then the Lord manifests himself in physical form;

ਅਥ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਉਤਾਰ ਕਥਨੰ॥ VISNU`S TWENTY-FOUR INCARNATIONS. ੴ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹ ॥ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ ੧੦॥ਤ੍ਵਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ॥ The Lord One and the Victory is of the Lord. By the Tenth King (Guru). ਚੌਪਈ ॥ CHAUPAI ਅਬ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਉਚਰੋਂ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥ Now I describe the wonderful performance of twenty-four incarnations. ਜਿਹ ਬਿਧ ਤਿਨ ਕਾ ਲਖਾ ਅਖਾਰਾ ॥ In the way I visualized the same; ਸੁਨੀਅਹੁ ਸੰਤ ਸਭੈ ਚਿਤ ਲਾਈ ॥ O saints; listen to it attentively. ਬਰਨਤ ਸਯਾਮ ਜਥਾ ਮਤ ਭਾਈ ॥੧॥ The poet Shyam is narrating it according or his own under-standing.1. ਚੌਪਈ ॥ CHAUPAI ਜਬ ਜਬ ਹੋਤ ਅਰਿਸਟ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥ Whenever numerous tyrants take birth, ਤਬ ਤਬ ਦੇਹ ਧਰਤ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥ Then the Lord manifests himself in physical form; ਕਾਲ ਸਭਨ ਕੋ ਪੇਖ ਤਮਾਸਾ ॥ The KAL (Destroyer Lord) scans the play of all, ਅੰਤਹ ਕਾਲ ਕਰਤ ਹੈ ਨਾਸਾ ॥੨॥ And ultimately destroys all.2. Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji, Guru Gobind Singh ji, Chaubis Avtaar Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji Link to this shabad

This can work both ways, where have you seen it been written that there is another Guru after Guru Granth Sahib Ji? One of the other posters have already said that from the time of Guru Amardas Ji all the Guru sahibs have been in the same bloodline, this was due to the request of Bibi Bhani. Why would they Guru sahibs break that promise? I have said it before through the life of all Das Guru Sahibs, all their works and bachan were compiled as well as other holy men and Gur Granth Sahib Ji was created. As Guru Granth Sahib Ji has been COMPLETED why is there a need for baba x to come in and steer his oar? This is going to seem a bit 'taboo' but was there a need for Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale? Because I'm sure he has Sant and Baba in front of his name?

Im not the one calling RSS 'babe'