citizen_soulja

I have been saying the same thing all the time!! -we need to support Sikh Channel -Sikh Channel needs to be accountable to the Sangat

Im not hiding im at home on holiday, pm me if you want my address.... i got my DD set up & pestered others, currently there are 1141 DD's set up Sikh Channel need 10,000 Im not a chump just because im highlighting the FACTS you think im attacking, its our duty to protect ourselves. i know of too many incidents where the love and appreciation of the Sangat has been abused (not saying thats what Sikh Channel are doing) have been supporting Singhs/Singnia in jail and Shaheed families for years and i am well aware of the resistance in Gurdwareh and events when you try to raise money for Shaheed families and Singhs/Singnia in Jail have called up Sikh Channel personally to give them ideas and offer support, read the whole post! before i raised issues i asked for evidence and gave suggestions, im questioning for the benefit of future generations and real Sikhi Parchaar, am very interested in the continuation of Sikh Channel, think it is EXCELLENT. Here are the suggestions i gave: 1 instead of focusing on Sangats donations focus on procuring 5% of donations made at all UK Gurdwareh 2 make appeal to Sangat to get them to take action at their local Gurdwara in convincing the committee to donate 5% of charavah (donations made to Gurdwareh) 3 instead of displaying Sangats names they should display the names of Gurdwareh that refuse to cooperate if anyone doubts this strategy well let me remind you the big Gurdwareh like B'ham and S'hall make like 60-80 thousand a month in donations just from the golakh. there are 200+ Gurwareh in UK alone. every year Sangat in the UK donates a collective 20million+ in golakhs. have expressly stated many times: Sikh channel needs to concentrate on unifying the message, history and philosophy of Sikhi in a way that is acceptable to all Sikhs, we don't really have a lot of unity at the moment maybe Sikh channel can change this. Instead of asking for a few donations and living month to month and always worrying about funds if the Sikh Channel worked to create UNITY and established a network of support from Gurdwareh they would run forever. Sikh Channel is an excellent platform we can: RAISE AWARENESS UNITE THE PANTH ORGANISE SIKHI PARCHAAR DEAL WITH ISSUES My point is that there are not very many transparent Sikh organisations so maybe Sikh Channel, the most visible and influential organisation, can lead by example and become a beacon for truth and Sikhi Parchaar in this darkness. we should all support Sikh Channel and we should also all ensure that they maintain the high standards expected of them. It is a very unfortunate trend that i have been noticing instead of being lions, leaders and sovereign guardians of the Khalsa Panth, we are becoming sheep, followers and entrusting all of our duties to organisations that abuse and mislead us, no one wants to take a stand but expects others to deal with issues that we should all be dealing with everyday. Sikhi has always stated that we should neither oppress or become oppressed, we should look after the week, all around us in the world people are suffering and being abused, where is the Khalsa? women get raped, children abused, people wronged, where is the Khalsa?? if our own house is not in order how can we exert influence in the world??? these are major issues that need to be addressed, but we shy away or say what are YOU doing!! we all meant to be KHALSA Guardians, Protectors, The Shield of the Oppressed in the 80s Singhs were asked when you get freedom here (Punjab) then what? and they replied ''our struggle will never finish, once we are done here we will go to Bosnia, Africa, anywhere there is oppression, it is the duty of the Khalsa'' How can we express the ideals and mission of the Khalsa Panth if we dont have any organisation or unity. Dont just sit in your house and think oh well at least we have Sikh Channel, WE ARE SIKH CHANNEL!! before the TV, internet, Sikhi was the voice the image the Way of the Khalsa now its such and such personality, such and such organisation, we have detached ourselves from The True Khalsa Way, the Distinct Path and have become nodes in the vast matrix that is ''the system'', we are becoming a generation of Sunday Sikhs and part time warriors.... We must support Sikh Channel, and Panthic organisations, but we need to think of the future, for too long we have gone without central leadership and a collective unity, WE have to change that and ensure Sikhi is preserved in its purest form for future generations. WE have to ensure that WE have the strength and determination to produce UNITY in the Panth and protect ourselves from attack. but we cant do that if X organisation say one thing and Y organisation say another and Z organisation takes advantage of the confusion then GOI comes in and creates N organisation then X fights N only to be made into a terrorist and BAM we're worse off than before!! there are so many basic issues that have not even been sorted out yet: Keski or Kesh as a kakkar Raagmala Meat Sikh History Political representation distortion of the Sikh image (trim Singhs, moneh, Bibiah eybrows, bollywood) Unity of the Gurdwareh Unity of Panthic organisations Unity of Jathe So called Sects of Sikhi (even though Sikhi HAS NO SECTS) False sants Punjab (Khalistan) BULH CHUK MAAF Sangat JI

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im not professing to be Einstein, and you may not be a fool but the mentality you display is foolish, the Khalsa have always fought defensive wars against oppressing forces that have the capability and have carried out such attacks that seek to undermine the movement in the view of the cultist media demon that has been fully utilised in blackening the name of the Khalsa Movement. To that end the effects of this propaganda have materialised in the voice of the Sikh Sangat, our own people fail to realise the extent of how the machinery of Indian government has attempted to silence the voice of minority protests and enforce the legitimization of particular stereotypes across the media. in this ''modern'' world business and government interests are inseparable the very nature of the predominately capitalist governments is to oppress, in their system for someone to be on top others have to be underneath, for some to profit others have to live a substandard life, for some to have power others must be powerless, for some to have wealth others must have none. the effects of this system are self explanatory: 90% of the wealth(of which only 5% exists in the form of ''money'') of the world is in the hands of 10%. 80% starve while 20% die of obesity. 20% are heard while 80% are silenced.

when have true Khalsa ever targeted civilians?? the only people that kill civilians are governments or muslim terrorists in regards to flight 182 u need to read Soft Target by Brian McAndrew, Papi you need to read the original post it clearly states that the accused we ACQUITTED, i would say the post by Papi is TYPICAL of the slave mentality ......''oh no not the government! how could they kill innocent people'' HA!! FOOL!!

lol Punjabees always waiting for sumthing or someone to tell them what to do........

Davy Bal Solicitors own Claim Today Solicitors source: http://www.claim-today.co.uk/ whatever ''Davy Bal'' owns is not really an issue.....(tax is) and according to companies house neither Davy Bal or CTS, or BritAsiaTV or Sikh Channel (which is a PLC NOT a Charity) pay taxes: if you go to companies house and do a search using their web check service: http://wck2.companie...cessCompanyInfo of the following company numbers you can see that they are either dormant, have no accounts filed or are exempt due to being to small or are dormant..... DAVY BAL SOLICITORS LIMITED (exempt to small, even thought the following are subsidiaries) 1ST FLOOR 3 BROADWAY BROAD STREET BIRMINGHAM WEST MIDLANDS B15 1BQ Company No. 04598943 CLAIM TODAY LIMITED (Dormant) 3 BROADWAY BROAD STREET BIRMINGHAM B15 1BQ Company No. 04103111 THE SIKH CHANNEL LIMITED (no accounts filed, PLC NOT Charity) 6 THE MOORINGS MIDDLEWICH UNITED KINGDOM CW10 9ER Company No. 06789223 BRIT ASIA TV LIMITED (dormant previous name?? The Sikh Channel Limited) 8TH FLOOR WARWICK CHAMBERS 14 CORPORATION STREET BIRMINGHAM WEST MIDLANDS B2 4RN Company No. 05293090 ONE PLYMOUTH TV LIMITED (dormant, overdue accounts) 90 GILLOTT ROAD BIRMINGHAM WEST MIDLANDS B16 0ES Company No. 05525668 The main issues with Sikh Channel are: Transparency of accounts (because money is coming from Sangat) Clear up the whole 'Who owns what' scenario (because it could create something know as a conflict of interests, also we dont want anti Panthic forces becoming the mouth piece of the Sikh community) Responsibility of Sikh Channel to portray PURE SIKHI (because ...well thats just obvious) Unity of the Panth (because its very important!! and Sikh Channel is the perfect platform) As i have said before Sikh Channel is in a very important position to help unify the Panth Sikh channel needs to concentrate on unifying the message, history and philosophy of Sikhi in a way that is acceptable to all Sikhs, we don't really have a lot of unity at the moment maybe Sikh channel can change this. Instead of asking for a few donations and living month to month and always worrying about funds if the Sikh Channel worked to create UNITY and established a network of support from Gurdwareh they would run forever. 1 instead of focusing on Sangats donations focus on procuring 5% of donations made at all UK Gurdwareh 2 make appeal to Sangat to get them to take action at their local Gurdwara in convincing the committee to donate 5% of charavah (donations made to Gurdwareh) 3 instead of displaying Sangats names they should display the names of Gurdwareh that refuse to cooperate

amazing, ur poem so clearly explains the inseparability of Sikhi and the Khalsa :lol: :lol: :lol:

or maybe we are trying to be alert and being cautious as nearly all of our so called Sikh institutions are infiltrated and are causing damage to Sikhi. some people need to take a step back and try to look at things objectively, when you are too close you cant think strait and you become biased while gurmat parchaar is necessary so is giving time to Panthic causes talking about Shaheeds and organisations that threaten our Sikhi, Singhs still in jail and the families of our Shaheeds. thats the problem with Sangat we give so much money to Gurdwareh with corrupt committees, spend millions to build schools spend millions on events but so many Singhs are still suffering in jail without trial, their families neglected and forgotten, we have no justice for Sikhs in india who suffered horrificly from 80s till now, we havent sorted out many issues with Sikhi and have little unity Sikh Channel is an excellent platform we can: RAISE AWARENESS UNITE THE PANTH ORGANISE SIKHI PARCHAAR DEAL WITH ISSUES

also Davy Bal Solicitors own Claim Today Solicitors source: http://www.claim-today.co.uk/ whatever ''Davy Bal'' owns is not really an issue.....(tax is) and according to companies house neither Davy Bal or CTS, or BritAsiaTV or Sikh Channel (which is a PLC NOT a Charity) pay taxes: if you go to companies house and do a search using their web check service: http://wck2.companie...cessCompanyInfo of the following company numbers you can see that they are either dormant, have no accounts filed or are exempt due to being to small or are dormant..... DAVY BAL SOLICITORS LIMITED (exempt to small, even thought the following are subsidiaries) 1ST FLOOR 3 BROADWAY BROAD STREET BIRMINGHAM WEST MIDLANDS B15 1BQ Company No. 04598943 CLAIM TODAY LIMITED (Dormant) 3 BROADWAY BROAD STREET BIRMINGHAM B15 1BQ Company No. 04103111 THE SIKH CHANNEL LIMITED (no accounts filed, PLC NOT Charity) 6 THE MOORINGS MIDDLEWICH UNITED KINGDOM CW10 9ER Company No. 06789223 BRIT ASIA TV LIMITED (dormant previous name?? The Sikh Channel Limited) 8TH FLOOR WARWICK CHAMBERS 14 CORPORATION STREET BIRMINGHAM WEST MIDLANDS B2 4RN Company No. 05293090 ONE PLYMOUTH TV LIMITED (dormant, overdue accounts) 90 GILLOTT ROAD BIRMINGHAM WEST MIDLANDS B16 0ES Company No. 05525668 The main issues with Sikh Channel are: Transparency of accounts (because money is coming from Sangat) Clear up the whole 'Who owns what' scenario (because it could create something know as a conflict of interests, also we dont want anti Panthic forces becoming the mouth piece of the Sikh community) Responsibility of Sikh Channel to portray PURE SIKHI (because ...well thats just obvious) Unity of the Panth (because its very important!! and Sikh Channel is the perfect platform) As i have said before Sikh Channel is in a very important position to help unify the Panth and Sikh channel needs to concentrate on unifying the message, history and philosophy of Sikhi in a way that is acceptable to all Sikhs, we don't really have a lot of unity at the moment maybe Sikh channel can change this. Instead of asking for a few donations and living month to month and always worrying about funds if the Sikh Channel worked to create UNITY and established a network of support from Gurdwareh they would run forever.

indian intelligence agencies were responsible for the bombing not Sikhs that is not how we operate

totally agree, also agree with S1ngh's post also BK are NOT a faction of AKJ

what about how in Gurbani there is mentioning of other dimensions/planes of existence and other planets with life??

sorry not wanting to argue....but so many Sikhs think that bk was just a bunch of terrorists due to massive media propaganda and blatant lies and low tactics used by GOI

Badal di vari kadho ohni?

dera nuts are the radical ones going around torching buses and the like. organised violence i say, encouraged and funded by the dera supported by the police, firing in the air if it was Singhs (not that they would be rioting and going on crazy) they would have been firing AT them!!

Claims?? like what?? bk supplied all of the LMGs RPGs and other heavy weapons, i never claimed they were the only Jathehbandi just the one who coordinated all the high level action and as a result were hevely targeted, no one in their families was spared nearly all of bk's leadership was wiped out by concentrated police action they went so far as to take over the house of one bk Singh it is still a police station. other infulential Jathe were formed by Singhs with ties to bk. the formation of Babbar Khalsa was a turning point in modern Sikh history.

thanks for the support brothers :lol: as for mani007 and kphull you guys are so deluded and misinformed your opinions board on deliberate misinformation and distortion!! crap from mani007: Sikhi IS NOT JUST A RELIGIOUS NAME TAG UMM clearly you dont know a shred of Sikh History! Guru Ji's refused many because of their DEEDS and THOUGHTS but always offered them a chance of repentance...what about the time Guru Ji allowed one bird to peck to death another??....you wanna say Guru ji never refused any1 well what about the complete refusal of the whole of the ruddy moghal empire, what about the refusal of centuries old Hindu religious customs, rituals and beliefs! (just remembered the story of Pandit Lal Ji getting refused by Guru Ji, realising his folly, repenting and getting accepted!!) UMM GURU JI, the Panj Piaryeeh, Gursikhs, Sants and Mahapursh, Rehatvan Khalsa and if ur still in doubt all of the mentioned in their purist form are a reflection of Guru Ji!! what your comment is doing is trying to besmear the purity of Sikhi and question Guru Ji, because Guru Ji themselves ordered the Khalsa to become like Guru Ji and be a reflection of Vaheguru in this Kalyug!! a Gursikh is not a ''normal'' person, Akal Thakhat is not a ''normal'' person May i remind you that this comment show you clearly do not know even basic Sikh History: Guru Ram Das, composed a four stanza hymn, Lavan(which was used at Guru Ji's wedding) The history of Anand marriage ceremony is traced back to the time of GURU Amar Das (1479-1574), who composed the long 40 stanza hymn Anandu, in the Ramkali measure, suitable to be sung or recited on all occasions of religious import. Anand Karaj Act 1909 is there to try and ensure that the Sikh marriage ceremony Anand Karaj is accepted by the Hindu Brahman priestly classes, which is anxious to prove that the Sikhs are but a sect of the Hindus and hence subject to Hindu Law. Guru Gobind Singh Ji's joyt is preserved in Guru Granth Sahib Ji and the Khalsa. Guru Sahibs introduced the ceremonies of Sikh marriage, death, birth and initiation, thus separating the Sikh Way of Life from that of the masses. maybe thats true in your local Gurdwara (cough**ravidasshindu**cough) but mine like the majority accepts the Hukam of Akal Thakat. DILUTION of Sikhi CAN NEVER BE A GOOD THING remember the Singh who got chastised by Guru Gobind Singh Ji for the mispronunciation of one letter of Bani one letter! crap from kphull im sorry but a person who cuts their hair is not a Sikh: 1609 Vaisakhi what did Guru Gobind Singh Ji say: ''come to me with unshorn hair'' every guru from 1st to 10th had uncut hair, 6.6billion+ people on the planet a lot of them are living in sin only a very small percentage walk the righteous path. Sikhi is all about quality not quantity. Whats happening in France???? u dont know jack there are Singhs on the front line challenging the French government in the Hague and they are winning!! so what if some weak Singhs sell out their Guru they have been since the time of Guru Ji (40 mukteh) other brave lions are fighting relentlessly for the benefit of all Sikhs while others take of their Dastaars QUALITY NOT QUANTITY a few brave Singhs PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF ALL THE SINGHS IN FRANCE QUALITY NOT QUANTITY i.e 1 Singhara Singh Mann not 5000 kphulls and 5000 mani007s You dont have enough knowledge of Gurbani is you did you would realise there are NO CONTRADICTIONS IN SIKHI but people like you have so many contradictions the fact that ur on a Sikhi forum is a contradiction, coming on here pretending to be a Sikh then contradicting yourself: a Sikh would have said: WE believe Guru Granth Sahib Ji is OUR Guru how many Christians in Punjab have Sikhi Saroop, i am reading that correctly.......Christians...... that have...... Sikhi Saroop ..... in Punjab....? ....ok..... thank you for the warning....... what about..... Afghans with beards and turbans..... hmmm....are we being infiltrated???...LOOK SHARP LADS!The difference between Muslims and Sikhs....i see how u get confused....what with all the Afgans and Christians befuddling u.......we'll start another topic to help you...launch an all out appeal....

''the life of man upon earth is warfare'' - Job 7:1 thats in the bible Sikhi teaches us that we are at war everyday with the 5 choors and also tyrants and oppressors, we may have forgotten the war but the war has not forgot us!! thats why everyday Sikhi is getting attacked, its the same continuous plot that has been there since the inception of Sikhi. There are forces at work that continually undermine our faith our Sikhi. They don't rest; their very way of life is an affront, injury and disrespect to Sikhi!! Sikhi teaches peace, love, humility, equality and respect but it also preaches about justice, courage, strength, valour and standing for truth on principle...Sirh Jaaveh Ta Jaaveh Meri Sikhi Sihdak Nah Jaaveh. Think about it like this: Sikhi is a collective of Sikhs which are people that are affected by the 5 choor and the whole world is affected by the 5 choor, thus our enemies also because they are people too just like us. what im trying to say is that as we battle internally with our 5 choor we are also battling with the whole world, once you have conquered the 5 in your mind thus the world is conquered....Man Jeeteh Jug Jeet...not only that but Gurbani tell us so many times that you have to conquer your inner self to attain oneness with Vaheguru, and you inner self is attacked by the 5 choor. Back to the original post and idea, what i believe the poster is trying to ask is that whether it is acceptable to fund and propagate the rebellion against an unjust fascist regime (GOI) by moving against those that would have us underfoot and their supporters. Every War of Rebellion in history has utilised the resources and opportunised on the weaknesses of the opposing and often vastly superior forces. This has meant deception, theft and commandeering of resources, strategic strikes and guerilla warfare. This leads to another issue: war is not a pleasant affair people get hurt and are very likely to be killed, but it's a choice one makes whether through free will or coercion. Sikhs are vicious fighters they have a long and illustrious history of brazen conflicts, small bands of Gursikhs challenging vast forces and winning the victory whether territorial, moral or political. Many of our strikes have involved the use of the aforementioned war strategies but the key difference between the Sikh War of Rebellion and others is that we are entrusted to attain and maintain the moral high ground and never act bellow our high Khalsa Standards. i.e don't harass women, children or the elderly, kill unnecessarily, target civilians all of which governments do massively during their Wars of Control, think, WW1, WW2, 1st Iraq war, 2nd Iraq war, Afghanistan, Israel vs Palestine, GOI, Raj,... the list is very long and stretches back centuries. in short we are duty bound to act but act a certain way...Sikhi is simple and practical.

regarding the financing issue: Sorry it has to be said Sikh Channel team are retarded in their approach and focus!!! called them so many times to give them strategy! they dont listen the formula is so easy that it is astounding that they haven't figured it out yet!!!!!!! 1 instead of focusing on Sangats donations focus on procuring 5% of donations made at all UK Gurdwareh 2 make appeal to Sangat to get them to take action at their local Gurdwara in convincing the committee to donate 5% of charavah (donations made to Gurdwareh) 3 instead of displaying Sangats names they should display the names of Gurdwareh that refuse to cooperate if anyone doubts this strategy well let me remind you the big Gurdwareh like B'ham and S'hall make like 60-80 thousand a month in donations just from the golakh. there are 200+ Gurwareh in UK alone. every year Sangat in the UK donates a collective 20million+ in golakhs.

EVIDENCE??

?????BK supported Sant Jarnail Singh Ji supplied all the weapons and it was BK that dealt with our enemies and coordinated all the action. why do you want to cause arguments by making statements like that.

thats quite a big accusation im gonna call sky 2mro to ask them how much it costs to run a channel...