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Nanaksar got three sub branches all after when Sant Isher Singh Ji Nanaksarwale went to Sachkhand I would call those branches as hostile faction as well because there was lot of conflict between usual over-zealous chelas of Sant, each were claiming their space reserved in Nanaksar Jagroan. However nanaksar sants ie- Sant kundan singh ji, Sant Gurdev Singh Ji, Sant Miaha Singh Ji were above from all these stupid fights that their over-zealous chelas were doing. They have tried to stop them, but things went out of hand. Few gun-shots were fired, few arrests were made. So intially after sant baba isher singh ji nanaksarwale, branches had to spread out because sant baba isher singh ji has three main successsors under his guidance. Those were once again- Sant Baba Gurdev Singh Ji, Sant baba Kundan Singh Ji and Sant baba Mihan Singh Ji. All of them were true gems. It's just sad and disappointed how chelas screw everything up and made those diverse branches into hostile fragements when Sant baba Kundan Singh Ji and Sant baba Mihan Singh Ji passed away. Sant Gurdev Singh Ji is still alive. You can see his picture when he was young doing panj pyara di seva with Sant Isher Singh Ji Nanaksarwale.

ok now i m confused. Who is right here? Singh 47, Niranajana, can you please both bring fwd your references for your claims? :lol:

not doubting 5k's or dasam patsah bachans at all but i m curious which ang in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji this is stated?

Good post Singh Santali Bhaaji, covered lot of points that I didn't know. But I think I will still stick around taksali side of story regarding Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji admitting his mistakes to Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji. Fateeh

koyee shak? r u implying that ne1 who wants to sort out khalistan dusnt do the above? 130946[/snapback] stop putting words in my mouth. I never said that. You must be Guru in twisting people words.

bhaji pela eh dasu, amrit vela nitneem da pat kardae tusi? simran kardai? gurbani weechar kardai tusi? seva karda tusi?

There has been hostility between Nihangs and AKJ like always. At first, when bhasuria pseudo scholar declined bhagat di bani along with ragmalla. Nihang Singhs of Budda dal were ready to sort out this malech masand along with whoever supporting him to disown bani of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ie- Bhagat bani, Ragmalla. It was Sant Giani Gurbachan singh Ji Bhindranwale who handle this suitation pretty well, sat and had talks with budda dal not to raise swords against ram raes of the panth and advised them- this can be solved without any violence. Then the troubling times of 84 came along where cross fired between nihangs and akj started. Nang phola who was excommuniciated from Shrimoni Budda dal. He killed lot of great innocent babar khalsa's. Babbar khalsa in revenge killed lot of innocent old school nihangs because they use to shak shaheedi degh(sukha) That was all their crime that they used to shak sukha. Few members of Babbar khalsa also started distorting Nihang sacred symbols ie- Farla tradition, Aad Chand. Actions of both sides were disguisting. There is still subtle tentions between Nihangs and Akjs even to this day. Now let's look at the suitations of nihangs in UK. Teja, Niddar VS Akj UK is a personal one. Teji and Niddar were both AKJ in some point in their life. They both became ex-akj when they adapted Nihang outlook. Teji was fanatic since day one because of ideology he grew up as insecure samagam boi. All teja/narsingha did was went from one extreme (khatar akj) to another extreme (khatar snatanist/nihang). Anyway going back to bhai randhir singh ji (ratan of the panth). Bhai randhir singh ji closed his ties with bhasuria and admitted to sant giani gurbachan singh Bhindranwale that he made a terrible mistake regarding ragmalla at end of his day. Reason bhai randhir singh ji didn't admit that mistake to his close associates because he didn't want his close associates to loose sharda in him and besides nobody will listen to him as things went far already. Gyani Thakur Singh Ji patiala wale who is a student of damdami taksal mentioned this in a room where akj singhs were present who wanted to know views of damdami taksal regarding bhai sahib bhai randhir singh ji. Gyani ji, have immense respect towards bhai sahib bhai randhir singh ji for admitting the truth. Anyone who has problem with above paragraph, take your concerns with damdami taksal old school singhs. They all have their firm beleif that bhai randhir singh ji did admitted his mistake. Bhai Sahib is no doubt is bhramdristi van, bhramgyani in my eyes. As gurbani says, no one is perfect. Mistakes do happen by hands of Gursikhs. It's great step to admit that mistake and move on.

People who are criticising them, you should look under your bed first. What have you done for the panth instead of being hypocrites.. have you perserve any sikh puratan gurmat sangit maryada or hertiage like these guys did?? If not then just zip your mouth because it stinks with full of erkha(jealousy) against someone who is doing panthik sewa.

This whole world started from ongkar dhuni. Gurbani says: Pirthame On(g)kar So Dhun Poran Jagat Mae Raha | First ongkar was spoken and then that resosance created world and give nourishment to this world. (Siri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Dasam Granth Sahib) Ongkar aad kathni anad, Khal Khand Khyal Gurbar Akaal || Ongkar Bhrama Utpat | Giani thakur singh ji damdami taksal talks about in the katha- bhrama(creator) came from ongkar resosance by giving above reference.. Ongkar Kiya Jin Chit | Ongkar Saiyel Jug Paie | Ongkar Vaid Nirvaie |

Sant Giani Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranwale also admits link with luv and kush. In your eyes, is he rss too? Panthic Thakedar Khalsa Faujia

I thought without body, one's soul cannot meditate. What you said, directly contradicts teaching of Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji which tell us- how precious gift is to born as a human because only human has wechar shakti on Waheguru, meditate on his name. You may think the idea of sri guru gobind singh ji meditating soo many thousand years to be little far fetched but with jog sadhna one can easily live for thousand years even in kalyug. Before some one gets angry of my mentioning jog sadhna and call it manmat or hindu mat. I wish to remind, there is nothing wrong with jog sadhna. Sadhna's are key to see how one's body itself is bhram mand. Besides there is a huge chapter in soraj parkash granth taken from sau sakhi sri guru gobind singh ji giving mata ajeeto kaur ji updesh of jog sadhna how to rise one birthi's up to dasam dawar.

Amazing post..about time. Keep em coming bro !

MKLQ How can you just become tyaar bar khalsa just by taking amrit. Taking amrit is being admitted to school of khalsa. It's like saying I admitted to university and I have bachelor degree without even going through learning proccess, tests, grade. I think having that kind of beleif is becoming more popular these days- oh he took amrit, so he must be khalsa. give me a break- do you know even defination of khalsa? Read the full pauri of- khalsa mera roop hai khaas and understand it. Guru Sahib gives no difference between himself and khalsa. That much of higher of status khalsa was given. Khalsa is gurmukh, sant, sipahi, shahed, mahatama. I found you more and your side kicks to be internet kharko's than even sikhs let alone khalsa. You better make sure when you take amrit, you let all your poisons/hatred in you out otherwise it be same like giving amrit to snake(malech). Amrit won't have much effect on you. I took amrit few months ago but i still wish i should have waited because i know my avguns. I admit it. "We sikhs need to stop living on glorifying deeds of puratan gurmukhs and warriors" What i meant by that statement was that sikhs these days living on glorifying deeds of puratan gurmukhs and warriors only instead of doing anything themselves. They all like to chit-chat aboug great gurmukhs like baba deep singh ji and baba jarnail singh ji shaheed yet they chicken out when they come to know how much bhagti, gyan, pyaar these gurmukhs had. They get their kachera in the twist and obviously they ignore it because they just want to be wanna be's kharako's on the internet and brainwash others on hating others. Last if not least, if i was nirankari or namdhari. I would have admitted it instead of being sheep about it. I am not scared of people like you or anyone else.

We sikhs need to stop living on glorifying deeds of puratan gurmukhs and warriors. Being sawa lakh means fearless, without bhagti one cannot be fearless.

I know sikh terrorist label is offensive. It's offensive to me as well but that does not change the fact that there aren't any. You want that label to be off right? I want the same. so lets together clean the dirt under our sikh religion first before labelling others as terrorist.

also sarbloh_geeza, I am no way saying advocating usage of visualizing guru's ji morat over shabad. All i m saying, it's ok for person to concentrate on guru's ji charan while reciting gurmantar at the first just to get concentration as birthi start becoming shakusham(subtle), dhyaan willl automatically will attune to shabad dhuni.

Gur Ki Morat Man Mein Dhyaan (first stage ) Gur Ka shabad mantar mann maan || (second stage) 129865[/snapback] Sakhi: Baba Budda Ji upon leaving his last breath he concentrated on Guru Ji's Charan and while reciting the shabad guru. He was bhramgyani, but his love towards Guru ji was soo immense that he concentrated on his charan at last breath of his life.

Gur Ki Morat Man Mein Dhyaan (first stage ) Gur Ka shabad mantar mann maan || (second stage)

That's a advance stage. Nobody is denying that. There are stages in meditation. I think people tend to jump right on dhuni's. Doesn't work like that, most people have very fragile mind so to mind to attune to then simran bringing up saroop techniques are used and encouraged by loads of Mahapursh. I find nothing wrong in that.

true but we do have good ones too....dal khalsa, akali dal amritsar. Also our people need to stop putting those "leaders" in power in the first place... 129622[/snapback] I am new to this forum but I wonder the issue of suicides has nothing to do with the so called Indian Democracy... there have been suicides in other states in India as well. The whole economic structure of the country needs revamping especially in agricultral sector. 129666[/snapback] i agree brother. Khalistanis on here just need to add fuel to push their soo called agendas. another khalistani tactic. I am not against khalistan but after sant jarnail singh you got either mayadharis chapli sikhs of GOI or cold-blooded sikh terrorist who killed soo many innocent hindus in buses and trains tried to justify their soo called urgue to get justice from India. They might have started with good spirit to get khalistan targeting whoever responsible for injustice against sikhs. However, when they start using unjustified hatred against innocent human beings who just happen to be hindus they blew idea of peace in course of making khalistan.they don't have any support now..atleast not from sikh masses. 129709[/snapback] Before making judgements about Khalistani's or "sikh terrorists" as you put it maybe you like to explain the role of Hindu terrorist paramiltary groups and congress in Punjab and other states of India. It's funny how people who claim to be sikhs use the term "sikh terrorists". Are you really Sikh? or yet another wonnabe. If you are a Sikh I suggest you read how Khalistan movement came about... then research the events that created militancy and then read the covert operations that Indian govt carried out against Sikhs. If you still continue to bash Sikhs with the same kind of BS arguments then you can go call urself whatever you want EXCEPT sikh. 129831[/snapback] I am a Sikh but seems like you are another wanna be internet kharkhoo. Why don't you join the khalistan movement in india instead of sitting on your <admin-profanity filter activated> on the computer poisoning young's people mind ??

129782[/snapback] I find it extremely offensive and disguisting how kulbir singh can call those 10 years a waste. Did he measure sharda of bhai ragbhir singh ji towards Guru Ji?? What position he is on to judge a naam abhyaasi individual who has slightly different technique than him?? Is this a gurmukh way of doing wichar or taliban way of pushing beleifs on others ? Yes few sikh groups go straight to Nirgun worship of Waheguru but few go through sargun form of God which is Guru Ji to merge with Nirgun form of Waheguru.Gyan Thakur Singh Ji Patiale wale(Damdami taksal) also talks about it in his japji sahib katha. I find nothing wrong with that. Bhai raghbir Singh Ji had a forna that he might have got salvation which stopped him to proceed further but if you ask me, if he didn't had a furna and if he would kept up his prem bhakti towards Guru Ji and kept doing simran on Guru Ji charan. One day Guru Ji would have taken him and merge him with Nirgun form of Waheguru.

I would matha takh to Nishan Sahib.

Thanks for admitting your mistake brother..doesn't happen this days. I am sorry if i was rude as well.

good post kurtas. It usually khalistani's here to wanted to push their agendas against GOI. These days either blame it all on GOI or RSS. @. Instead of doing seva for change.