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Its indeed position of indic spirituality that world is indeed leela - drama or illusion including our own sikh spirituality. This is not mere conceptual statement but rather meditative experience of one consciousness are transcending worldly attachment, sense perceptions, mind- maya, thoughts. However i agree, i don't agree with people abusing the term leela due to their lack of thinking outside the box, cognitive approach, lack of free will. It's another way of ego coping out and follow shep herd mentality. We have direct deep profound questions/riddle asked by sri guru gobind singh ji in akal ustat which supposed to be deeply contemplated/meditated upon: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/76477-akaal-ustat-beautiful-questions-riddles/

Khalsa is pure sovereign independent body from all these committees conflict. So quite bluntly and with all due respect, where are actual singhs who do honorable panj pyares di seva? Sangat should demand answers from them, what is actually their role when it comes to solving this kinda of conflict? or their overall role and responsibility? Let them define it, ask them for framework. They should following foot steps of orginal panj pyares not take their roles lightly or part time position. Again, Are they only there for part time symbolic gestures in nagar kirtan and amrit sanchar? If thats case, its quite contrary to historical duties of original panj pyares. I strongly believe - most of issues will get resolved if singhs who do panj pyares di seva actual maintain full time seva/leadership role for their local communities not just go back to their normal duties as soon as they are done becoming symbolic gestures.

Interesting topic, AI is still part of maya-relative reality as it falls under dualistic perceptions, mind-maya - five sense perceptions. Gurbani mentions surat- pure intuitive consciousness many times, only surat in mind can transcendent this jeev with help of shabad, shabad gian (pure knowledge awareness) and gurparsad - grace of outer/ inner guru (intuitive divine guidance within all of us). In other words, AL is still an experience/comes under manifestation- form in subtle sense - part of five sense perceptions. However close, changeless background (pure awareness jot) under which all of relative reality drama is being played is the substram of all reality. ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿਮਾਨ ਸਭੁ ਬਿਨਸੀਐ ਕਿਆ ਲਗਹਿ ਗਵਾਰ ॥੨॥ द्रिसटिमान सभु बिनसीऐ किआ लगहि गवार ॥२॥ Ḏaristimān sabẖ binsī▫ai ki▫ā lagėh gavār. ||2|| All that is seen shall perish. Why are you attached to it, you fool? ||2|| http://www.srigranth...id=31585#l31585 ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ ੴ सतिगुर प्रसादि ॥ Ik▫oaʼnkār saṯgur parsāḏ. One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਬਾਜੀਗਰਿ ਜੈਸੇ ਬਾਜੀ ਪਾਈ ॥ बाजीगरि जैसे बाजी पाई ॥ Bājīgar jaise bājī pā▫ī. The actor stages the play, ਨਾਨਾ ਰੂਪ ਭੇਖ ਦਿਖਲਾਈ ॥ नाना रूप भेख दिखलाई ॥ Nānā rūp bẖekẖ ḏikẖlā▫ī. playing the many characters in different costumes; ਸਾਂਗੁ ਉਤਾਰਿ ਥੰਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਿਓ ਪਾਸਾਰਾ ॥ सांगु उतारि थम्हिओ पासारा ॥ Sāʼng uṯār thamiĥa▫o pāsārā. but when the play ends, he takes off the costumes, ਤਬ ਏਕੋ ਏਕੰਕਾਰਾ ॥੧॥ तब एको एकंकारा ॥१॥ Ŧab eko ekankārā. ||1|| and then he is one, and only one. ||1|| ਕਵਨ ਰੂਪ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿਓ ਬਿਨਸਾਇਓ ॥ कवन रूप द्रिसटिओ बिनसाइओ ॥ Kavan rūp ḏaristi▫o binsā▫i▫o. How many forms and images appeared and disappeared? ਕਤਹਿ ਗਇਓ ਉਹੁ ਕਤ ਤੇ ਆਇਓ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ कतहि गइओ उहु कत ते आइओ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Kaṯėh ga▫i▫o uho kaṯ ṯe ā▫i▫o. ||1|| rahā▫o. Where have they gone? Where did they come from? ||1||Pause|| ਜਲ ਤੇ ਊਠਹਿ ਅਨਿਕ ਤਰੰਗਾ ॥ जल ते ऊठहि अनिक तरंगा ॥ Jal ṯe ūṯẖėh anik ṯarangā. Countless waves rise up from the water. ਕਨਿਕ ਭੂਖਨ ਕੀਨੇ ਬਹੁ ਰੰਗਾ ॥ कनिक भूखन कीने बहु रंगा ॥ Kanik bẖūkẖan kīne baho rangā. Jewels and ornaments of many different forms are fashioned from gold. ਬੀਜੁ ਬੀਜਿ ਦੇਖਿਓ ਬਹੁ ਪਰਕਾਰਾ ॥ बीजु बीजि देखिओ बहु परकारा ॥ Bīj bīj ḏekẖi▫o baho parkārā. I have seen seeds of all kinds being planted - ਫਲ ਪਾਕੇ ਤੇ ਏਕੰਕਾਰਾ ॥੨॥ फल पाके ते एकंकारा ॥२॥ Fal pāke ṯe ekankārā. ||2|| when the fruit ripens, the seeds appear in the same form as the original. ||2|| ਸਹਸ ਘਟਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਆਕਾਸੁ ॥ सहस घटा महि एकु आकासु ॥ Sahas gẖatā mėh ek ākās. The one sky is reflected in thousands of water jugs, ਘਟ ਫੂਟੇ ਤੇ ਓਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਗਾਸੁ ॥ घट फूटे ते ओही प्रगासु ॥ Gẖat fūte ṯe ohī pargās. but when the jugs are broken, only the sky remains. ਭਰਮ ਲੋਭ ਮੋਹ ਮਾਇਆ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥ भरम लोभ मोह माइआ विकार ॥ Bẖaram lobẖ moh mā▫i▫ā vikār. Doubt comes from greed, emotional attachment and the corruption of Maya. ਭ੍ਰਮ ਛੂਟੇ ਤੇ ਏਕੰਕਾਰ ॥੩॥ भ्रम छूटे ते एकंकार ॥३॥ Bẖaram cẖẖūte ṯe ekankār. ||3|| Freed from doubt, one realizes the One Lord alone. ||3||

Evil term itself , has lot of abhramic / protestant connotations which implies meta reality such as evil vs good or evil/satan vs good/angel. I think correct term would be maya or illusion as pointed out in gurbani.

Parents should impart the values of singh / khalsa in the children once children identifies with attributes of singh and khalsa, they would automatically naturally seamlessly effortlessly adapt the name. Raising children is quite hard work, as it requires quite bit of self reflection / self improvement on parent part as children are not interested in lectures. In order for children to deeply resonate the stuff parents are preaching, they need to see stuff being practiced- especially kids raised in this part of the world. They will not hesitate to call you out on things which they find it hypocritical..good on them, thats the way it should be. Absolute clear cut, direct perception of things.

We had a huge discussion on this topic here: http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/16772-why-sikhi-failed-to-spread/?page=1

bhai jarnail singh khalsa (aam admi party) Or someone equivalent. You do realize the root problem is badal right? not these mere pawn jathedars? Good point but what happened now? You think he will let that happen that easily..all these new jathedars are behind the bar, what people going to do now? you going to fight for their release with your banana republic dharnas. Grow up and smell the coffee.

Yeah keep dividing the panth by throwing divisive titles and labels. There are many who think of punjab situation lot more deeply than just replacing jathedars who unfortunately has no real powers in after monarchy period - gov't governance era, its totally dependent on punjab cm authority rule- infrastructure, enforcement, funding, police, miltary call etc etc: I posted this on a other thread: I won't totally discount sarbat khalsa gathering. In my view, only real benefit came from it was sense of unity sikhs from all walks of life coming together against badal. Sarbat khalsa proof to be positive overall, which sway wind direction against badal - massive negative public opnion against badal on mass scale. If we keep with up this momentum until next punjab election it would be quite useful. As far as new jathedars coming from sarbat khalsa. Beside symbolic gesture it has no real significance in real punjab situation. Before dusk next day, everyone is arrested after a month or two people will forget them. You cannot fight badal with token appointments/mere symbolism. In other words, replacing jathedars right left and center is not the root solution and has no real impact in punjab because root is replacing badal. Unfortunately, it would have adverse affect as its distraction from real goal as sikhs again be attached with jathedars rather than looking at the bigger picture, looking at the root again there will divisive politics at all fronts. Those new jathedars are not badal bought quite the contrary but like it or not , these new jathedars are definitely pawn in badal/rss bigger chess game. Thats the whole point of chess game, pawns usually don't realize they are being played in the hands of master. If they realize they are not the pawns then Sarbat khalsa would be more useful if they would have announced/endorsed bhai jarnail singh (aam admi) or someone equilavent to stand up against badal in next election and build up monumentum from there as it would be perfect time to start campaign. This gathering was big missed opportunity hopefully in april we smarten up by then. Main thing is keeping up the momentum we should not loose the momentum (now those jathedars are arrested we are again forced to loose the momentum ). However, with registered - campaign for next election they cannot really arrest someone , we should really think in terms of endorsement of aam admi party or someone equivalent for next sarbat khalsa.

I won't totally discount sarbat khalsa gathering. In my view, only real benefit came from it was sense of unity sikhs from all walks of life coming together against badal. Sarbat khalsa proof to be positive overall, which sway wind direction against badal - massive negative public opnion against badal on mass scale. If we keep with up this momentum until next punjab election it would be quite useful. As far as new jathedars coming from sarbat khalsa. Beside symbolic gesture it has no real significance in real punjab situation. Before dusk next day, everyone is arrested after a month or two people will forget them. You cannot fight badal with token appointments/mere symbolism. In other words, replacing jathedars right left and center is not the root solution and has no real impact in punjab because root is replacing badal. Unfortunately, it would have adverse affect as its distraction from real goal as sikhs again be attached with jathedars rather than looking at the bigger picture, looking at the root again there will divisive politics at all fronts. Those new jathedars are not badal bought quite the contrary but like it or not , these new jathedars are definitely pawn in badal/rss bigger chess game. Thats the whole point of chess game, pawns usually don't realize they are being played in the hands of master. If they realize they are not the pawns then Sarbat khalsa would be more useful if they would have announced/endorsed bhai jarnail singh (aam admi) or someone equilavent to stand up against badal in next election and build up monumentum from there as it would be perfect time to start campaign. This gathering was big missed opportunity hopefully in april we smarten up by then. Main thing is keeping up the momentum we should not loose the momentum (now those jathedars are arrested we are again forced to loose the momentum ). However, with registered - campaign for next election they cannot really arrest someone , we should really think in terms of endorsement of aam admi party or someone equivalent for next sarbat khalsa.

Looks like a reverse psychology played by RSS hoping to spread paranoia, fear so it invokes reverse reaction, also to hampers the sarbat khalsa effort. Ignore them, sarbat khalsa should happen. Last time, i checked looks like everyone is united on sarbat khalsa action plan.

Great point. I have bought up this before. There is no excuse to live in a ghetto segregated way by using a argument- they don't like us. This is proud moment for all Canadians and Canadian Sikhs especially on harjit singh sajjan new position minister of national defense, this is no doubt very high position which i have no doubts harjit singh sajjan will ace it with his background in army. This actually sets a bar for all the countries to follow as Europe seems to now mesmerized on the fact how multiculturalism (integrate but not annihilate) actually works in Canada. Also, this breaks wide range of stereotypes that non white cannot be in high position even with qualifications or exceed qualifications both that how white colonist is ought to get us (minorities) somehow (on some minority level that might be true but overall majority this paranoia seems to be proven wrong by mainstream Canadians and mass public opinion) sometimes we get too paranoia on these things as it turns out its not true. In Canada, everything is possible as majority of Canadians support charter rights and freedoms of all. It's founded on charter rights and freedoms.

Eternal Satguru Maharaj is giving his sargun saroop shaheedi to wake up sikhs again. I sense big great revolution coming up in punjab due to this. While we all do protest (rightly so) to find modern day massar ranghars mughals who did this and be steady fast to set precedence , our parcharikhs should also use this opportunity to start amrit sanchar on a larger scale. Our chardi-kalah spirit should not give up , we must turn tragedy into chardi-kala. Enemy is trying to kill Sikhi spirit by attacking our ishat guru most central theme in sikhs life. It be tragedy only if sikhs allow it to happen. We must show them, spirit is non destructible just like Guru spirit is eternal so as sikh spirit is also eternal. They may kill our body and physiologic mindset but they cannot touch our spirit (jot).

From psychology/spiritual point of view, its generally accepted as cause why human who is deeply rooted influenced in five vices and easily influenced by events by stories/events without any filters/preachers, dangerous worldly corrupt politics mixed with religion-is dangerous mix, would ask for unjustified blood for blood, would do communal violence, riots, kill innocents (easy target to spread fear / cause mayhem in public safety/opinion) to accomplish wider goals such as teaching a lesson to enemy, crave separate state, revenge of oppression on a wider scale, This is no surprise as many who are deep rooted in anger, fear, feel extreme threat, widely influenced by violent nationalist obsession would do anything to accomplish their goals, they would hide behind a religion, movement hijack it and killing of innocent is child play to them. It's actually a joke, they are very candid about it. There is video about it on youtube about their candidness as i qoute they say- " At this stage of revolution, we actually not concerned many lives are actually lost even if its sikhs as its price of revolution". See how aim of revolution blinds them from basic sikhi values. But whats really surprising? It's people or sometimes collective community who live in denial and apologist who instead of looking at past mistakes, acknowledging them, providing recommendation for future they live in denial, play victim, blame it someone else outside influence (which i agree were partly responsible for infiltration) rather than doing unbiased frank assessment. These gullible people are so in denial even if there are video evidences, they would look else where and comes up with all kind of excuses. I say to them sometimes it best just give up and acknowledge the shortcoming of previous people and learn from it that's all. Look its not embarrassing to acknowledge previous shortcoming, its courageous to admit mistakes of community and learn to improve or raise collective consciousness of small aliened splinter groups of past who gave up to anger, hate unjustified violence causing immense amount of collateral damage. It's not embarrassing to admit and be frank and say - Look, fanaticism is global problem/phenomena every religion or ideology is affected by it, even so called peaceful Buddhist are affected by it. Unfortunately, Sikhism is also affected by it as it has crept into it too its a human conditioning. I would guarantee if during interfaith session, if all religious leaders starts talking about real issues, raising collective consciousness of their religious communities in hopes to follow (actually walking the talk) their own essence of their religion it won't be old same boring trumpet they play how they are all peaceful, loving, loving their neighbors. Thats not to say how liberal atheist are perfect, they are equally flawed as well. No human or human man made political systems are perfect.

Show practically how seva is done, give example of darbar sahib how many thousands of people partake in langar (free kitchen and food) and get fed everyday without any expectations in return. Also meditation/naam simran is a topic which is often missed as sikhs get more carried away on accomplishments, soldier aspect. Provide verses on akaal ustat on non duality essence of our dharam how in sikhism god is not someone who is up in the sky somewhere but rather one in all, all in one - divine pure consciousness JOT(light/divine knowledge) in all, merciful , graceful can be directly realized by meditation on naam (pure consciousness within all). Tell them Sikhi is less about conceptualization or philosophy more about actual practicality of seva (manual selfless service) and naam simran direct remembrance of truth/ experience/realization of Ikoankar/Vahiguru JOT saroop (fundamental universal changeless underlining truth/reality). I know some of terms may be too complex too use but do mentioned this - how in sikhism god is not someone who is up in the sky somewhere but rather one in all, all in one - divine pure consciousness JOT(light/divine knowledge) in all, merciful , graceful can be directly realized by meditation on naam (pure consciousness within all).

This is proud moment for all Canadians and Canadian Sikhs especially on harjit singh sajjan new position minister of national defense, this is no doubt very high position which i have no doubts harjit singh sajjan will ace it with his background in army. This actually sets a bar for all the countries to follow as Europe seems to now mesmerized on the fact how multiculturalism (integrate but not annihilate) actually works in Canada. Also, this breaks wide range of stereotypes that non white cannot be in high position even with qualifications or exceed qualitifications both that how white colonist is ought to get us (minorities) somehow (on some minority level that might be true but overall majority this paranoia seems to be proven wrong by mainstream Canadians and mass public opinion) sometimes we get too paranoia on these things as it turns out its not true. In Canada, everything is possible as majority of Canadians support charter rights and freedoms of all. It's founded on charter rights and freedoms.

Anyway let bygones be bygones, as long as great gnosis exegesis gurbani deep profounding interpretation and direct experience of gurbani is still there, our dharam is secure. I mentioned this in a past - Whole singh sabha thing is over-rated, whole samparda is over rated, whole jathas are over ratated and whole sanatan thing is also over-rated. Regular sikhs who are initiated into khalsa, just need to be shown deep layers of gurmat thats all in direct experience which is profoundly liberating, resonating with all and thats all there is to it, all these sticking conceptual ism / labelling/beleif/concepts would fall away automatically. That's' the power of Jot all in one, one in all-naam its consumes everything. Caution needs to be paid, as one can fall into same pitfall one is trying to avoid when it comes traditional thought vs reformist thought..it all comes down to direct self discovery, self awareness and self realization.

It's little bit deeper than that, how about changing gnosis interpretations of Vahiguru/ Mool mantar/five khands into confined separate very organized realm-separate reality up in the sky somewhere (every abhramic christian like) than all pervading non dual reality- advai gurmat which is one non dual absolute reality all pervading common matrix of all experiences and perceptions further expressed in various aspects of divine (Sargun-bhagti/shakti/shabad surat).

My assessment of singh sabha based on my own research in short is sweet and bitter. -Sweet because obviously they did great seva such as remove all curropt mahants, removed moortis, remove caste system distinction against mahzbhi, stream lined lot of parchar, refocus on outer rehit, rejuvenate spirit of sikh indentity and nationalism,and made dharam very straight fwd by removing sant personality worship from mainstream. Hence, many genuine sants also endorsed them including nirmale. In fact it may surprise some, it was nirmale who also helped also bring reform movements -Bitter because once hostile factions within singh sabha start taking over- instead of filtering bad fishes in the pond they destroyed the whole pond by acid by becoming extremely parnioa, bringin lot of knee jrek reactions approaches, were extremely hindu or even indic-phobic, insecure, bringing one dimensional translations of gurbani-jseduo victorian influence, removing adhyatam aspect of sikhi- various gnosis interpertation of gurbani- uthanka/sargun-bhakti/nirgun-gyan antriv arths of gurbani, removing indic references in gurbani by confining its interpretation to very literal, killed lot of its surrounding- old interpretation of gurbani*/ removed guru sahib frescos, puratan raag vidya, traditions or maryada of nihangs, nirmale, udasi, sants start marginalize them taking over the traditions and properties. Hence why, re-effort was made in anandpur sahib resolution to re-integrate old orders of sikhism back in mainstream. 8. Taking appropriate measures for the enactment of an All India Gurdwaras Act with a view to improving the administration of the gurdwaras throughout the country and to reintegrate the traditional preaching sects of Sikhism like Udasis and Nirmalas, without in any way encroaching upon the properties of their maths. * http://dailysikhupdates.com/giani-gurbachan-singh-prakash-of-dasam-granth-was-done-at-sri-harmandar-sahib/ If puratan orders have residue of santanism , then reformist singh sabha also have residue of bhausariasm. There is no question about that.

Our revolution (our version of arab spring) should be at two folds: One fold: Bring sangat picked jathedar at akaal takth who has confidence of sangat. Second fold which is even more important that first one is to have strong panthic leader stand up as nominee in next punjab cm election at 2017. Unfortunately, leadership in punjab gov't matters a great deal as unfortunately monarchy system has long gone. We should spent more energies looking to replace cm in next election to our panthic minded sikh than just limited ourselves to just replacing jathedars. Even if we get right leader at akaal takth sahib. If he does not do compromises ,hold talks with punjab cm, they be always on dead lock without wider progress in punjab. Punjab cm - badal as we have seen have caused major problems has divided punjab, bought sectarian division in punjab. Regardless whoever you replace, he has to comply with cm request/demands as they are the ones governing, cm can make it very difficult for everyone its like in western countries without mayor/provincial leaders funding- cops have no power to enforce. CM has full control over funding, taxes, infrastructure, jobs, economy in punjab.

Just giving an update, since we started this project it's been huge success on youtube especially videos below. The whole reason for doing this, is to increase presence of sikh meditations on youtube in comparison with other dharam meditations which is widely available online and also giving sangat a chance to relax and enjoy these light meditations which can be done anytime. We be updating the list with more meditations videos..i am doing lot of mixes with native american flute, shamanic flute etc with mool mantar or maha mantar as back drop- true underlying reality. Enjoy

Well historically, sri dasam granth sahib parkash was removed from darbar sahib and that's confirmed but more research is needed how, when and who removed it?

I don't think rajoana is good choice as akaal takth jathedar as it will be media pr suicide. No doubt he should be awarded for his seva, give all the financial help, seva at sgpc but not as a media pr or head of akaal takth. We atleast i am not ready for more unnecessary negative press / giving people chance to reinforce their own narratives on us or reinforce their own broader stereotypes as it will turn out - oh look whos next sikh vatican leader? back up bomber. Unfortunately, thats how we/he be seen. We need to be smart, since we are all abroad has made forgein countries our home, we can no longer can walk with "dont care attitude', must care about how we as community projecting or coming across to others. Remember we are NOT the only one exist in this globe, globe is shared among 7 billion people across and most of them are not sikhs, public opnion is important and winning hearts via parchar via essence teaching of gurmat is even more important.

Correct me if i am wrong but what a silly offensive comparison you are actually comparing removing sri dasam granth sahib with all of these things above just because other incl me mentioned sri dasam granth sahib was removed you are actually asking do you object to prostitutes being removed, idols, smoking mahants? Please explain correlation between sri dasam granth sahib removal with all you have mentioned above?

You are right johnny veer, sant ji didn't relate them at all. But i am pointing out its not a stretch to beleive they thrown out sri dasam granth sahib either before or after systematically cutting chaupi sahib/rehras sahib after as kansia wale was head granthi. In this historical event dates are relevant but more relevant is Kartar Singh Kalaswalia along with his band if they had any influence removing sri dasam granth sahib and that has to be properly research and explored. In any case, it be nice to have chronology events of this two events so its easier to understand or probe further. I am more inclined to beleive sri dasam granth sahib parkash was removed by sgpc/singha sabha as it was but how ? I am not sure..I am neutral on the story of spear. It might be correct or it might be mirch masala from nihangs to make it more dramatic..either way thats hardly any relevance as beadhi was already done when they removed it.

It be interesting to research and study various historical accounts how sri dasam granth was removed so that sangat can make up their own minds Historical account that we hear (Nihang version)- Sri dasam granth sahib was speared and removed by sgpc/singh sabha So those who don't beleive in nihang story, please provide historical account- - Who removed sri dasam granth sahib parkash and sri dasam granth from darbar sahib ? - When it was removed from darbar sahib? - How it was removed? I mean there gotta be some historical account be it oral or documented, how it was removed? who removed it and when? For me personally, its not a stretch to believe that they in fact did removed sri dasam granth parkash as sant gyani gurbachan singh writes: https://soundcloud.com/gurmat-parchar/changesinrehrasnitnem 3:00 minute onwards.