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Well if donation money was not accounted for and went missing no wonder they got kicked out. All gurdwara commitee's are corrupt, we should take that as a rule of thumb, some more so than others and these people were legally found out to be corrupt by not being able to explain where the missing money went they do not deserve to run a gurdwara. Btw I want to understand why these idiots globally fight to be members of gurdwara commitee's? What grand prize is there draws such dodgy and incompetents to those positions? Is it fame and prestige in the community? Financial rewards of an easy coushy job and good salary with little stress? The power? The easy way to push money into their own pockets by begging donations from the sangat?

Non story really the indian media are hyping it up to cause tensions un-necessary its an issue between the woman and the relevant family members and authorities. sikh channel doing a stupid breaking news thing on it lol saying she was born from hindu family who converted to sikh to marry a sikh guy then her husband died and she was looking for another guy and developed online relationship with pakistani musim guy over social media and used the baiksahi celebrations excuse to cross border and meet her new husband. btw they saying shes a mum of 3 sad for the kids to have a mum like that but either way it goes to show genuine sikh indian women should not be allowed to go on pilgrimage jatha's to islamic countries especially pakistan because of intense conversion grooming or intelligence agency paid for drama's like this.

Has anyone got a chance to see this film?

yup a very fishy and dubious story. The alleged womans father got a first and last name is hindu and she has another surname. Also we need to remember that Indian media in general is the information propaganda weapon of the tyrannical Indian establishment they want to cause division and conflict between pakistani muslims and Sikhs because of the politically sensitive and closeness of the Khalistan issue so they pushing this story out when in fact it is a non-story. If she is real person then its probably another case of honeytrap Indian Hindu R&AW agent posing as a sikh woman probably sent on a mission to scout on pakistan's infrastructure. Often Hindu Indian spies do this covert war by deception we seen this in the 1970s/80s both indian R&Aw and pakistani ISI spies were caught and killed or jailed for very long time in their enemies respective countries.

All false flag staged events for the benefit of Israel since its creation and most large islamic terrorist attacks can be traced back to abrahamic saudi-israel nexus. waaahaabi Saudi and jewish israelis are abrahamic cousins they want to work together overtly to fight their common enemies more than ever now (shia yeman huthi's, shia hezbollah lebanon, shia syria and shia iran). By using the western powers to carry out attacks at the behest of their national interests. UK, USA, France,etc are puppets in the pay of neo-con zionists banksters. If the western governments didnt do what the banksters wanted they would crash their economies and get the other members of the NATO gang to bully them by force into submission. It's all a drama about so called chemical attacks and a show at the UN the real agenda is oil pipe lines and geo-political control and influence of that area. Putin's Russia is a wimp and crap ally in the face of western hostility, it allowed attacks by israel and the west to go unanswered, its not really defending its ally syria. It's letting it get attacked and bullied for its own economic self interest probably waiting for the syrian government to buy its weapon products and services out of desperation rather offering it for free as a true friend. There is very little chance of a world war unless the west or israel does something stupid and attacks russian military warships or bases. Then the public in Russia will probably call for revenge which could escalate into a deadlier and wider global conflict https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPNWEY44NY&bpctr=1523827155 The 2nd youtube link is particularly interesting (it has embedded and certain features disabled by youtube so you need to click on it) Of all the videos I had watched of 9/11 and research I had done, I never knew there was 5 dancing celebrating israeli's caught by fbi in new york on 9/11 cheering on the attacks. They had rented a truck with mural of twin towers getting attacked by a plane. This is highly suspicious and seems to suggest israeli mossad agents either carried out 9/11 or had prior knowledge and wanted the event to happen and make it ever worse.

You think huge numbers of arms just happened to be there at darbar sahib prior op blue star? You think the Indian state did not monitor punjab heavily especially activity around darbar sahib during early 80s? You think the Indian state didnt want to give the public and the world an image that there are heavily armed "anti-nationalists" that only the might of the Indian army can take care of them and not the punjab police? I personally saw video reports of coverage days prior operation blue star by ITN journalist showing truck load of Singhs and weapons heading towards darbar sahib and a police and army roadblock not stopping them. Why do you think that was? Surely if you want to prevent so called anti-nationalist/armed extremists/terrrorists you would stop and search for any arms coming into an area but they didnt stop nothing. Go figure Go read some books, articles do some research then reply to very important topics like this.

Your not understanding my points to lept to the defence of the in-defensive thus showing your hand in being part of the problem. A proper racist doesn't have friends of other races, a proper racist does not associate or indulge in stuff by the race they hate. A racist thinks their race is superior and the other race is inferiour. I maybe a Sikh supremist as Sikhi is the best and I hope every Sikh on here is a Sikh supremacist because if they arent they might aswell not be a Sikh if they think other faiths are equal to the Sikh ideology. I dunno how you come to the conclusion that anyone who talks about a huge problem of drug fuelled gun and knife crime in the black communist is racist. I would call people out for racism against the black community for allowing excuses made for evil filthy lyrics druggie music fulled gun knife crime to get out of hand. You dont even realise the link between social media, filthy degenerate music, glorification of rape murder drug dealing in this material. Its a way of life its an ideology much like islam is if you tap into its violent tendencies you will become a muslim extremist/terrrrorist. At the moment there is a huge problem western afro-carribean culture black ideology, and no not all blacks are this way. Only a m0ron would think its ALL blacks into this degenerate way of life just as it would be stupid to think ALL muslims are pedo sex groomers or terroorists. I have many black mates, my neighbors are blacks from africa whose parents brought their kids up the right way they are good people decent hard working and we regular discuss these topics how the youth are into this filthy culture. Maybe the politician/bankster elites are allowing to be fostered and go ahead maybe to allow blacks/minorities kill each other while they laugh in their gated secure white ruling class/middle class communities. This roadman violence culture has been fostered from the black community and no other communities are not immune to it the working class asian youths have started to hang around in gangs to drug dealing wearing hoodies masking up and getting stabbed and acid attacked. Same with the working class white youth they too are now groomed into the same culture because the dominant violent afro-carribean culture has poisoned and infected their fragile minds.

Off course white european ruling classes are the most violent immoral corrupt of all in recent human history you just need to see their track record of foreign invasion wars aboard, slavery, exploitation of resources, etc however....we are not talking about that in this thread are we! You seem to have some kinda weird politically correct chip on your shoulder. Even black friends I have admit that it is a mostly black knife and gun problem right now because they competing against each other over drugs, filthy evil music and rep. And creating unsafe streets meaning others get drawn in and start carrying weapons too for safety because the police are no where to be seen because of rich white politicians in power cutting back resources . What is your assessment its a Sikh violence problem? Its a white old little ladies problem? The thread is addressing the state of the UK particular the amount of violent crime going on at the moment and here you are defending the black community that is at the heart of its huge rise violent street criminality due to their culture they have fostered over the years that gives acceptance and rise to this toxic environment. Sikhs or asians/desi's for that matter are not going around attacking innocent shop keepers thieving their takings, sikhs are not robbing or stabbing/murdering innocent people in the streets. Sikh culture is not glamouring dashing and dealing in drugs. I'm assuming by your logic you would be up there defending the muslim community from blame when their pedo sex raping grooming gangs are targeting sikh and white girls or when they are causing terrror attacks. Come on time to grown up be a man, call out the evil...call a spade a space stop fannying about with political correctness.

Here's a good article from the dailymail of all papers giving the assessment of whats going on mostly due to mostly black youths and their filthy evil culture of promoting drugs and violence. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5587735/Young-British-gang-members-boast-Twitter-YouTube-stabbing-beating-rivals.html

Offcourse thats my point the UK had always had violence in its society. Before the Afro-carribean culture came into the mainstream to brainwash and poison the minds of the UK youth it was the english culture of football tribal violence and the white music genre that produced heavy metal, the mods and rockers, etc. However the white english music genres tame compared to what black music has produced and the impact it is having on the youth. The lesson we can learn here is if something evil and bad is glamourised and tolerated in a culture without it being stamped out before it grows into a huge cancer infecting society then eventually it will make its way into the mainstream culture. E.g in our own punjabi community when we had the likes of honey singh try to normalise dirty filthy lyrics in bhangra and punjjabi music there was an outcry from alot of punjabi society and traditional folk singers even religious groups got involved telling people to boycott his type of music. Chamkilla the famous punjabi singer wrote risky songs and he got shot down (probably by Sikh militants for promoting filth and vice in minds of the youth). We do not see that within the black community instead they glorify the evil filthy genres of their music.

Its always been a violent society it wasn't much difference i the 80s and 90s and 2000-2010. I remember there was just as many stabbings, murders and rapes. But it was alot more contained back then nowadays it seems every other youth is wearing a hoodie like a criminal and has to carry a knife because of the fear. As the police is not doing their job of protecting community and running the streets as they are paid to do so. The only difference is that the mainstream popular culture is now heavily promoted by the druggie mentally ill black evil criminal elements of Afro-Caribbean society. There are no manors because kids are learning from popular culture and social media how to disrespect their elders. The evil deranged black music genres of rap/grime/drill music in large is to blame glamouring violence, drug dealing,etc along with social media. The more communities tolerate it and don't speak out against it the worse it will get. Lack of firm belief in a religion, economic poverty, rise of gay rights, feminism, defranishing men rights and parental upbringing is also adding to the dangerous mix. How do you solve the supposed crisis? Zero tolerance no politically correct nonsense no child protection nonsense. Crack heads old skool style with starting in the home give power to fathers to kick <banned word filter activated> and lay down ground rules. What is needed is traditional family setup without the hindrance of the state. As the saying goes you get the politicians you elect and you get the government you vote for. The more people who elect loonie politically correct capitalist pro war, pro-bankster bail outs. pro-gay pro-feminist politicians the more strife there will be in society.

Probably some dodgy politician or newspaper editor or right wing hindu extremists groups (e.g. ayra samajists/shiv sena punjab/hindu sanskriti,etc) and "sant nirankaris". There was plenty of opportunity to do so as they were accusing him of all sorts yet under indian legislation of that time he had committed no crime. So question is how could the hindu extremist and the secular indian establishment then proceed to paint him as an anti-national khalistani terrorist. A murderer / a rapist / a destroyer of india and the worlds. But there was not a single charge sheet against him. Any objective and fair minded Indian would and should have questioned why are they targeting him and what was the real game plan? But no, it seems he was used as an excuse to set a trap for Sikhs to get genocided in in their own holiest shrine. Arms were shipped in by the R&AW into darbar sahib. armed Indian state agents were infiltrating darbar sahib and vast numbers of the army deployed in Sikh majority state of punjab.

Very strange that they would target and attack darbar sahib because of Sant Bhindranwale yet there was no crime at the time according to punjabi police he had alleged to have committed. A First Information Report (FIR) is a written document prepared by police organizations in countries like Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan when they receive information about the commission of a cognisable offence, or in Singapore when the police receives information about any criminal offence.

Not exactly headline news is it? the article also mentions hindu punjabis. The problem is a punjabi culture problem of drinking introduced on a wider scale largely by the racist white british colonialists during their invasion and imperial rule of india they distributed many intoxicants to control the native populations. Export of alcohol and tobacco trade and potential stopping of it was also one of the reasons the british establishment lent support to attack Sikhs including sant bhindranwale (who was anti-intoxicants) in amritsar darbar sahib in 1984 operation blue. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40613289 Heres another article they did last year this time targeting the so called taboo of "sikh women" and the drink problem. I dont know any hindu punjabi or hindu woman that is sober most do indulge in drinking yet no articles about them, strange. Either way there is a problem with alcoholism with the punjabi community and the main reason is depression. Men tend to turn to the drink when they are having employment or financial troubles. Women turn to the drink due to emotional or relationship issues. Prevention is better than cure so its important for punjabi people not to fall into the trap of drinking alcohol especially if they have addictive personalities or no self control. However its so glamourised in mainstream black music and our bhangra music and by the culture of going out and having a drinking to have a good time that it is creating problems for future generations who are impacted and influenced to repeat the problem.

What area is this? If you slow down the video and look at the guys face you can tell he is a probably non-sikh as he is wearing a woolie style hat, sikh men even if they shaved/monay wear only bandana's when entering gurdwaray not hats. Also has a suspiciously muslim style beard (shaved moustash and a groomed beard). Maybe he is a mentally ill muslim or deliberately causing a hate crime. Either way he needs to be caught and these gurdwaray need to be boycotted until the commitee's (who will be named and shamed) can provide proper security for all things in gurdwara's.

Just do what makes you happy and makes your mental health get back to a good place only then you will be able to find any kinda work. If your mind isn't well your body will not be motivated or function to work or think properly Also dont worry about not having a job alot of people are out of work in this day and age. The 9-5 work secure permanent employment model is out of date these days work is alot less secure more temporary more day to day or monthly contractual work. Alot of jobs currently done by humans are gonna go soon when A.I machine learning robots take over so alot of people will be out of work than in work in a decade or so. Eventually you will find your own path in life in finding work or starting your own self employment doing something you enjoy.Just keep doing your nitnem and be grateful to waheguru for the positive things in life and benefits you do have compared to alot of other people in the world.

Seeing the current Palestinian and israeli conflict with heavily armed border guards shooting dead over 15 civilian protestors and injuring more than 1500 using disproportionate use of deadly force. The heavily armed british imperialists in india cane/baton charge injuring or shooting dead or executing Indian (often sikh) dissidents who wanted to free India from foreign rule. Seeing how our own Sikh peaceful protests in punjab were met with deadly force by the heavily armed Indian authorities from 1950s-Present day. The south african white apartheid regime that had ruled south africa treating blacks with similar status and similar use of force How do you fight a state power enemy or opposition group that is armed to the teeth, with huge resources with numerous regional and world power allies yet you have very little to counter that in this day and age? Is it better just to not bother and let your peoples lives, land and rights be trampled over or do you fight back with violence no matter how high the cost? When two tribes go to war the one with greater numbers or firepower usually wins that battle at that moment but not always the war if its pro-longed over decades. The battles of forceful people over peaceful people as history of human civilization itself

Something strange is afoot. They all ganging up on nuclear superpower Russia because its the only one that can actually stand up to NATO white neo-imperialist global hegomany funded by the elites (banksters ie rothschild zionist + european royal families). It's basically all in the interests of Israel as Russia is backing up syria its vital stragetic middle east ally, and is also an ally of Iran both enemies of Israel and the west. Russia is surrounded by America's/Nato defence shield missles which has been deployed since 2001 against Russian concerns and opposition. So Russia built up other assets as nuclear missle carrying drone subs. Supersonic ICBM's which cant be stopped/countered and will hit their enemy targets if Russia is nuked. Putin also recently said any nuclear attack on its allies would be as if russia is nuked so a nuclear response would be deployed against those countries. Basically an indirect threat to Israel because israel is thinking of waging war against Iran soon which could go nuclear. As for sailsbury I personally dont think russians would be daught enough to kill their own ex-kgb spies especially as they hold no strategic or military intelligence value no more. Also the spy who got posioned was in talks with putin's circle to be allowed to return back to his home in russia. Why would putin risk it all to get an ex-spy thats worth nothing? And also fifa world cup is held in russia this year why would he risk that being a failure and his rep in tatters? Personally I dont see what they have to gain from it but negative consequences and the Western state terrorist conspirators have everything to gain from this. Russia is not an innocent angel that is getting picked on for no reason they too have their nasty ways and state terrorist operations against other countries and communities in the past and present. However in this instance I think its a setup to increase tension with russia and to blame russia should any incident happen in eastern europe (Ukraine mainly) or syria.

Saw this disgusting cowardly violent attack online thought I'd share so these robber scumbags can be caught, exposed and sorted out.

Bet of a silly argument really but... Ideally religiously speaking she should have married a Sikh if she hasn't already .....and if she really hasn't she should make efforts for her husband convert to Sikh who knows he maybe hindu by name but Sikh by heart. Theres plenty of fake Sikhs out there who are Sikh by name but non-sikh by heart and couldn't give a cr*p about Sikhi and Sikhs. Either way the fact that she is a strong pro-Sikh rights candidate even before she got elected as Member of parliament proves her love and pride for her Sikh faith. I'm sure her husband supports her on her campaigns for Sikhs....if he didn't she wouldn't have married him.

Good posts and assessment of the situation so far! And totally agree with what the enemies of Sikhs want Sikhs to do. I wouldnt go as far as get with the 3HO nutters but I would suggest a different Sikhi version of yoga is created to bring more non-sikhs into sikhi and not into the 3HO cult because it is not a Sikh organization as their non-sikh leaders stated in court few years back. Jagmeet singh has so far done great. Few months ago when that far right wing canadian jewish exremist woman jumped on stage to abuse him call him a muslim and sharia law he calmed her down and projected the image of love and peace and co-existance which is exactly what Sikhs want for everyone. Punjabi Sikhs by nature are hot heads it is in the blood so it is very difficult for them to not react violently or aggressively against those who attack us because its a defence mechnism that has kept our community alive and survived from all those centuries of persecution. But yes our people do need to learn not to react but to analyse why are people trying to make us react violently for them only to set a trap for us to give negative perceptions of Sikhs. The unreasonable violent or those who persist in causing trouble within sikh circles the so called Sikhs are probably in the pay of intelligence agencies and they need to be called out. Many times these people have caused violent fights in gurdwaray in various countries. The person who reacts violently and attacks a speaker no matter how bad his speech is the person who is either a paid agent of some intelligence agency or a useful patsy puppet that was worked up by other agents to cause a ruckus for their own ends.

A 48-year-old man who died after a knife attack in Southall has been named as Balbir Johal. At about 5.20pm on Monday (March 19), Metropolitan Police received reports of a man being admitted to a west London hospital suffering from a stab wound. The victim, named by police as Balbir Johal, from Slough, died a short time later in hospital. His next of kin have been informed and a post-mortem examination will take place in due course. It is believed the 48-year-old suffered his injuries in an incident which happened in Marlborough Road, near the junction with Brent Road. Two men were charged the murder of Mr Johal in the early hours of Thursday (March 22). Hassan Mohammed, 23, of Clarence Street, Southall, and Yassin Yussuf, 21, of no fixed abode, will both appear at Ealing Magistrates' Court on Thursday. The man was stabbed in Marlborough Road, but attended hospital, where he later died (Image: Google) An investigation by detectives from the Homicide and Major Crime Command is ongoing. A 32-year-old man who was arrested on Tuesday (March 20) has been released under investigation. https://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-news/southall-stabbing-two-charged-murder-14442898

well well well i knew there was something fishy about this so called "sikh extremist" mr athwal. Guys from now on question every Sikh leader, every Sikh activist and question their activities and motives if they deliberately harm Sikhs, Khalistan movement and our good honorable reputation. We know who the true Sikh leaders are and now is the time to expose the rats .....those extremist agents of terrorist R&AW and other intelligence agencies because these rats have been damaging our community's interests and reputation for their anti-sikh paymasters for a long time now and its paying dividends for Indian establishment and others who want people to hate or have negative perception of our community. We also need to question the so called indo-canadian gangs....who been killing and corrupting canadian Sikh youths since 80s...How do they get their drugs? Is it CSIS supplying them to them? or is R&AW involved? We need to question everything..

Your right. From memory in book I had read they had stated nehru, sardar patel and lal bahadur shastri were influential in forming the R&AW but it was actually under Indira gandhi's watch during the late 1960s that it was actually created and acknowledged to exist.

On March 20, 2000, in the backdrop of the then President of the United States, Bill Clinton’s visit to India, 35 members of the Minority Sikh community in Jammu and Kashmir were gunned down in the Chittisinghpura village of Anantnag district of Kashmir. The army claimed that it was the handiwork of the “Pakistan-backed terrorists of the Islamic Fundamentalist group Lashkar-e-Taiba”. A report titled ‘Terrorists execute first Sikh massacre in Kashmir Valley, signal fresh ethnic cleansing’ by New Delhi based India Today, claimed that “the foreigner members of the Lashkar-e-Toiba who executed the massacre came dressed as Indian soldiers, complete with fake or stolen uniforms”. The Army’s Rashtiya Rifles later claimed to kill five “foreign terrorists” which turned out to be locals, in what is called the Pathribal Fake Encounter Case. The economic times reported that “The CBI had in 2006 indicted five men of the Rastriya Rifles for allegedly killing five civilians, of whom three were dubbed as Pakistani terrorists responsible for the massacre of 36 Sikhs at Chittisinghpura area of Anantnag district. Two other civilians were allegedly claimed to be unknown terrorists.” In 2017, Retd Lt Gen KS Gill, who was part of the investigation, in an interview to Sikh News Express, told Journalist Jasneet Singh that the Indian Army was involved in the massacre and the report had been submitted to L.K.Advani who was the Home Minister in the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government then. Read the excerpt of the interview here: When in 2000 the massacre of 35 Sikhs happened in ChittiSinghpura, what really happened there? It was the mischief of the surrendered militants. The army was using the surrendered militants that time to fight, to sacrifice these surrendered militants instead of themselves. In that area (of ChittiSinghpura), where Maharaja Ranjit Singh had settled Sikhs, and given them lands, and orchards, these surrendered militants hatched a plot and the army soldiers helped them… The army was guilty, not the commanders, but till the Captain level. What they did was to take the men out in the middle of the night. Before they did that, they gained the confidence of the Sikhs there. Then one night they finally gunned them down. If the army was involved, was there any action? The full report was prepared. We said the army was involved. We asked for a judge of the Supreme Court to look at it. Nothing happened, Farooq Abdullah’s government was there which also formed an organization to investigate. There was chaos… Police had to shoot at people. Then the government decided not to investigate That time the NDA was in government? Yes. Advani was the Home Minister. We gave the first report to him… Clinton (who was on a visit to India) kicked up a row, saying that ‘due to me a lot of lives have been lost. I want to know exactly what happened.’ Then Human Rights organisation of the United Nations was sent a report of what happened, and the Americans too. Were there any political reasons behind the killings? Only this that the BJP government wanted to tell Clinton that in Jammu and Kashmir Pakistan is killing people. Propaganda against Pakistan. That Pakistan killed Sikhs. So BJP planted this to impress Clinton? Yes, to help India against Pakistan. That time America was providing arms to Pakistan. India was not getting any aid. Why Sikhs? Sikhs became the victims. See when the order is passed, Home Minster tells the Chief Minster (Farooq Abdullah), he tells the Director General of Police, he tells the SP, by that time it’s mishandled. On the lower level, old enmities play a role. When things got out of control, Advani pressurised for something to be shown, to pin it on Pakistan. Then the army killed five innocent Kashmiris on a mountain to show that we killed those who attacked the Sikhs. But they killed innocent boys. https://freepresskashmir.com/2018/03/20/watch-retired-lt-gen-says-indian-army-was-involved-in-sikh-massacre-of-chittisinghpura/