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Bro he didnt actually say kill anyone, just say we should have!! Remeber you can disable someone attacking you with shots to the legs, they dnt die, jst get put in hosp for a while!!! n if they cant walk to get you!! then they aint gona b shooting u to well either!! if they still shoot, then shoot the buggers in the arms and let them suffer their own faith! Kalay seem to like guns, let em learn what the rest of the people in the world have to put up with when the fire em randomly! Gurfateh!! The West Midlands Police force are probably the most non racist force iv come across, dnt forget their importance isnt going to be to protect Gurudwareh but to protect the community which is everyone, they probably have all the man power they have in the Aston and Handsworth Wards just think if another person was killed while police are 'protecting' Gurdwareh i would be ashamed. Theres enough of us to keep out any malicious acts upon all the Gurdwareh in Bham, plus which Maharaaj Jis kirpa and simran Akaaaal will do most the protecting. At soho rd the youth are there all night ready if anything does kick off, this can be at all Gurdwareh, they are our forts they all have vantage points or should do. With regards to Fire Arms????? What, do u jus wana kill some one???? get rid of that Krodh. If everyone in the Uk had a gun and claimed it for self defence we'd all be screwed!!! Khalsa is there to protect NOT kill!!!! Bhul chuk maaf!! Gurfateh!! 128293[/snapback]

Come on people!! Has NO1 in leicester had any type of martial arts training when they were little? Seriously! Sikhs are meant to be warriors!! Therefore somone must have learned how to box! How to grapple? U telling me there isnt anyone who isnt able to teach kickboxing? When i was little, every sikh was in the gym learnin!!! I went for kung fu mind but there must be someone in leicester?? Failing that! Come to cov! We got gatkha on tuesdays - if you from cov and wona join pm me like now!! as spaces going for this yrs intake! and we have boxing/grappling on thursdays, again pm for details as spaces are limited due to the size of the room we train in.. But Please sangat ji! IF ANYONE has had self defense lessons then please take this calling and do the seva! just an 2hour a week if you can and help someone learn to defend themselves. Someone must be getting bullied in their younger ages for having kesh or something, give them the ability to defend themselves!

Athiest if your only on the forum to wind people up then i suggest you just leave. Admin, Do something about this as u seem good to block of my posts which are relevant! And not argumentative but you allow people to ask stupid questions and in time cause a heated discussion. View to free speach, if you are able to search for documents which occured coming up to a yr ago, then maybe if you go to google and search; Guru Arjan Dev Ji Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji Guru Teghbahadur Ji Guru Gobind Singh Ji Baba Zorawar Singh & Baba Fateh Singh (10th Gurus 2 youngest sons) You will get your answer of freedom of speach. But seeing as u are in capable, Guru Arjan Dev Ji, Gave shaheedi because he refused to edit Gurbani. Guru Hargobind Sahib, Refused to bow down to Mughal ruling, freed the Hindu Rajas from prison by stating he would not leave unless they could come with him! Guru Teghbahadur Ji, Gave Shaheedi so that the Hindus could practice their faith! He accepted death by stating if you can convert me everyone will convert but they could not convert him. - was beheaded for standing his ground and believed in freedom of expression. Guru Gobind Singh Ji created an army to fight for FREEDOM against tyranny The 2 younger sons of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Gave shaheedi as they refused to give up their faith to embrace islam. At a tender age of 6 and 9, they are still today remembered by all for their kurbani! Suggest you buy the sahibzadey dvd and watch it. you might LEARN something. Do not bother with brining up stupid plays, if the woman had sense in the first place or any respect for the religion she claims to be part of then why didnt she stand and show her self instead of hiding and geting others to fight her battle. if she received threats (your next statement) then again, she needs to review her history before hiding. A sikh does not hide, thats why we are known as WARRIORS who fight for freedom! WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

exactly, instead of making a fuss after, wouldnt it make more sense to speak to him directly expressing your concerns? That way HE wont make the mistake again? Which keertani was it? unfortuntalty i missed most of the keertan...

Maybe because Guru Gobind Singh Ji created the Khalsa we are entitled! Maybe it was because the British banned Kirpan when they came to india and it took a little boy! Not sure of the age, think he was under 10 tho!! stood in the court and refused to remove!! Because of this courage shown by him, the council agreed sikhs can wear a kirpan irespective of Size. Only difference is now, we are required to wear a smaller kirpan as we do not live in our surrounding, we are in theirs but if you have to wear a smaller size, add another shastar to you, ie a kara, maybe a nakha (one u can put in ur dhumala need be to u know, show its only for decoration if u get me...) Some people will never understand the right to the kirpan as they never take the time to appreciate why its there. They fail to remember its the sword of justice, itss given to he army of akaal purakh! the ones who keep justice and protect ALL who are in danger. The body guards of society!

Anyone got any news from the results of the meeting? I found out too late about it so was not able to make it and have not heard anything else since. With regards to the rape, lookin at the posts, the history of the area suggest the kalay are up for a fight and thats all they wanted to do. Therefore made up a story and done it. Logically, someone got raped so they caused a riot. No1 seems to be doing much about it - ie media coverage and the law, but whena couple of windows get smashed outside the rep, we got HELL for it!!! Shows the priorities of the police.... The chances are the rape allegation is false, theres to many variables, i have heard myself 3 different stories therefore it may b a rumour spread around for a riot to take place!!! Isnt this the same area that the 2 black girls got shot in at xmas time? so effectivly its just a gang war turned into a racial clash probably over drugs or something stupid! Looks like the black guys cnt seem to u know, keep a lid on their anger!! I keep hearing they know the diference, well it dnt make a difference as Sikhs are gona get caught up in it!! The monay for instance, say the kalay know a dastar vale is a sikh, ok kool! job done! he is safe, but he cnt tell if your monay therefore the innocent will still be attacked!!! Keep on guard, if you in the uk then be ready to protect Guru Ji! Do ardas and chaupi sahib and let maharaj guide us. Be prepared for the worst but follow his orders. WJKK WJKF

Dnt suppose u got the article?? I wont get a chance to get of Gursharon as he doesnt seem to have any left when im free! Wjkk Wjkf I for one can say that Ranz paji, gursharan paji and all of the other leicester lot are doing GREAT seva with the Sikh Society and hope they keep it up. Trust me these lot work so hard, even my sister whos not really into Sikhi but says "im a Sikh" read the letter from God which they handed out at DMU Sikh Soc and she goes "omg it made me say Waheguru three times, its wicked" Trust me people before you point fingers make sure ur handz are clean Fateh 127463[/snapback]

Coventry Uni was informed. Only one person was interested.

The 12 yr old knows the answer. but his point is valid. i made a reply earlier but seems to have goin!! So in effect, if they didnt live under ruling before, they are now? It doesnt support anything unles u make it seem so. Its a personal perception. Just one question of the homeland you talk of. Where do you want it? Who is gona run it? Please do not judge my not answering the 12yr old, as i did with sufficient response. Im not hooked on 84 as much as most people hence i dont fight for it as much as others as i still see it in the Hukham of Vaheguru. And see beyond it further into History where Harmander Sahib was attacked before. yes its an important time to remember but Sikhi is beyond it! Not based on it which is unfortunate so many people forget!!

Fateh SIngh i dont wona put a downer on ur pst or anything, but whats your point? This topic has been discussed COUNTLESS times!! if someone knows how to use the search thing on here then they might b able to pull out a few links... Which college have you started, might know some of the singhs who flyer the literature in your area. Might b worth hooking up with them if you want to help...

vaheguroo jeee ka khalsa vaheguroo jee ke fateh yess true point we will get raaj karega khalsa worldwide but in oreder to get it we will have to START small with our own land KHALISTAN the nishan sahib is flying the highest no doubt but still sikhs are slaves and you van never forget 84 bhul chuk maaf vaheguroo jeee ka khalsa vaheguroo jee ke fateh 127376[/snapback] A question from a 12yr old to me, "Why is it never forget 1984, when it started in 1978?" Also, forget the fact of 84 is Khalistan coz its not! Sikhi existed from GURU NANAK DEV JI! HE STARTED SIKHI! Thats where Sikhi starts from. Alot of people forget this and only look as far as 84. Yeh never forget it, but what about the injustice of ALL the Singhs and Singhnis before them? Are we to forget they laid down their lives to? SIKHS ARE NOT SLAVES! The moment you think that, then your a slave. Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave us a dastar and told us to KEEP KESH, where is it manditory to cut your hair? In the armies, in the prisons, why? because your a slave to them. IF your a SIKH, you are only a slave to AKAAL PURKH! NOBODY else!! You bow to no other then True Guru! Guru Granth Sahib Ji! IF we were slaves, would Khalsa Stand out so much? nope. We make ourselves the slaves, if we stop looking at it this way, we will get somewhere!!! Those sikhs in 84 didnt give Kurbani for us to think we are just slaves in this world, we not!! They gave Kurbani to keep Sikhi alive! The babbar movement after 84 was one of the most organised freedom movements, not slaves!! We are only slaves to fear. Nothing else. Over come fear! You over come EVERYTHING! The worst thing that can happen, you die, ah well, you gona die some time!! Might aswell do it for Sikhi!! Sorry if i went over the top in the post.. didnt mean to!! Just droping some points which i been thinking of since hearing someone talk about 84 yesterday at sikh soc. He was 3 when it happened and remembers it clearly. WJKK WJKF

Firstly, Where do you want it Secondly, Who can go, reside there Thirdly, The only Flag which flys higher then the Country's flag in which it is placed is.... NISHAN SAHIB. You already have your Khalistan, just open you eyes and see it! Fourthly, For what reason are you wanting Khalistan? For the sake of a piece of land or for Khalsa, Land of th Pure. I tell you how u can get khalistan. Take Amrit, Become Khalsa (for those who arnt already) Where your BANA ALl the TIME! not just when you go to the Gurdwara but ALL the time! Like GurSikhi!! Not just pretend! Actually LIVE it! Like the Singhs and Singhnis of the old days! The SIKHS today who still fight for Sikhi. WHen you have this in place, people will see Sikhi, they will be inspired by SIkhi, u will get khalistan. Just makesure when you fight for Khalistan, your actually fighting for KHALSA not just a piece of land. Apologies if i offend anyone. PLEASE dnt think i dont want khalistan, i do. I want to see the place where Sikhs live! In peace, keertan, Bana! But u know what? The city in which i live, the place i was physically born, HAS this! It has keertan, it HAS Singhs in Bana! It sits in chardi kala as so many people come here to take laha of the keertan! Making the sangat stronger!! That what khalistan is, not a piece of land, its Sikhi where you dont have restrictions to practice your faith fully. I have my Khalistan and the way we achieved it? SImply, the above WJKK WJKF

ms514, bro u mis understand what im saying. If you go to every Gurdwara in the UK u will deg is different at each, When made in Sarbloh, tastes the best! But not everywhere uses sarbloh either. Therefore the suggestion. If everyone obeyed maryada then we wouldnt be having this discussion yeh? Yeh its parents responsibility but then at the same time isnt it OURS to educate the kids? I cant speak for everyone but when i was little, we didnt understand what was going on, our parents didnt know either because they probably wernt told. They only know so much, but then even if they do, how many kids listen to their parents? its easy to shift the blame to the parents and dismiss the issue, the bit where it gets difficult is when you, the youth do it. as we just think, chal its ok, let the parents deal with it. IF WE the YOUTH, make a stand and actually chat to the kids, on THEIR level, u will see a BIG change. Kids will listen to you more then parents as they see you as older bros and sisters, not just some elder giving em a lecture. Try it, if it dont work, then maybe your right for your youngsters but from experience i speak, make friends with the kids, tell em what its for, make it fun for them and they will learn to love it as much as we do. Not everything is a parents duty! Yeh in a way it is but its ours too. Iv been to leicester, theres alot of youth, just they dont interact. Why? Maybe a bit of more smiling when your in the Gurdwara and kids will find it more appealing! WJKK WJKF

U Said it now bro!! you gota keep it!! lol Weekly simran night again in cov!! Today! Everyone welcome!! Coventry St Gurdwara from 6.30-9ish with some WICKED langar and even better keertan!!! Opportunity for the Navreet Singh Jatha fans to get to listen to his keertan live!! Ranz came last week, he knows it was sick!! :TH: And same goes for the other DMU sikh soc memebers who came!! :doh: DEFO bro. We Are humble servents of the Lord. Will make full effort to come down to many events as possible, paji. Lets make our Sikhi weeks (in Every Region) a Success, knowing all Sikhs CAN work together) Waheguroo 127266[/snapback]

or make em take a small amount? ie tell the persons giving to giv small kids a small amount so they can quick time jst put it in the mouth and eat it!! Maybe (this is gona sound really weird) make the deg in a differnt way? Like that appeals to kids? Less butter, or something? In our local Gurdwara, we got like various differnt types.. One in particular, seriously, u get calestrol problems with the amount of butter Giani Ji puts in!!!! lol thats enough to put the kids of!! Also maybe let them do the seva of distributing to?

True say, Maharaj blessess the seva But heres one thing i was talking to someone about last night, as i missed a claas this week, he said that Maharaj gives you the opportunity to do seva, and we should take it up!! If we dont we lose out. The person whos class i missed, i apologised to. He then said its ok, as i had a valid reason for missing. He then said, someone said he will come to class, but never came, he had football instead. That day, he went football. But never played, why? The flood lights would not turn on!!! No matter what they tried, they couldnt get the lights to switch on!! Another tale, some singhs came on the last protest, they said they didnt want to stay for all of it as they wanted to go home. So they left to go home, BUT since the driver was the one who didnt want to stay, the rest of the car did! Maharaj belated that car by 4 hours!!! If they stayed and protested, they would have been home say by 6pm, maharaj planned otherwise for them, they got home at around 10pm!!!! thats along time to get home!! simply becuase u turned down maharajs seva for nothing more then, "going home to sleep". My posts are not out to offend anyone, but how people interpret them or take them to their personal ways, i can not be held responsible. Each person is entitled to an opinion, thats how forums work. If you take things personal then maybe its a sign? no1 is meant to feel small, if they do, then obviously its a sign from Guru Ji. Im not the one making you feel that way, you feel that way from what you have read. I cant change that, only the person feeling that way can. Say for example, your parents say to you your a failiure coz u got a B and not an A. Most kids would try to do better and get an A* just prove a point. The same thing applies to seva aswel. Yes maharaj blesses us with seva individually, but then he blesses everyone with the opportunity! If we dont take it then that our fault. The campaign, the singhs saw the opportunity and acted upon it! It was a test. Now their test is done, i think maharaj then decided all those who talk about it on forums should be tested. Therefore when the sangat got involved by contacting the halls, the change was made. Therefore maharaj blessed you with the seva and it was done! The result was positive. - Test passed. WJKK WJKF

Their are probably more mona sikhs out there than amritdhari or even keshdhari True, because a Sikh according to Gurbani and Rehit is one who follows rehit? I dnt have that much a problem with monay acting as presidents, but when i used to trim and run mine, i was told by a mona!! That if im gona be teaching Sikhi, i should be living it! Made me think. Its a true statement, if you are going to be spreading the word of sikhi, shouldnt you first be living that life? Whats the purpose of sikh socs now? In the last 2yrs, i havent seen much actual Sikhi being taught other then maybe a few unis i have been to!! Why is this? because unfortunatly its run as a society, where by everything is a social event. - Dinner and Dance - why? Why not do a nice Kirtan Darbar instead such as DMU has done many a time and other london unis. Get the Uni kids involved in the local city events - this is the aim for coventry this yr, if weare having socs to teach people sikhi, then it really should be done where resources are available!! Especially with the youth as they can speak on the level of the students. All up for monay doin socs, but if they not living Gursikhi, how can they teach it?

Two Words Sant Siphai Saint SOLDIER Wear a Bana, then you a warrior, ie u fight, Wear a Chand, then you wearing a Nishani of Justice and freedom. Sikhs fight for justice. The Khalsa is an army of god, here to FIGHT for him and insjustice in the world. if shaheeds of back in the day took the approach of the amry you speak of, man, we wouldnt be here today. That once again is not aimed at you, its just a mere explanation of my thoughts of what Saint Solider is... I dont know much, i havent been into sikhi as long as others on here, but thats the one thing i learned from our History. The great Keertanis, the great Scholars Of Bani, they all fought, hence giving SIKHI its one extra breath. WJKK WJKF

Both i think?? I didnt think there were any sly implications? Ah well, i guess there must b then. "n yep, i wish i cud do something for my Guru and Sikhi, but i admit too, i am just a moorakh." No offence with this line, but seriously, this is the most pointless line> This is not aimed at u nama singh, but just about everyone who uses it as an excuse. If youve taken amrit and still use this then seriously, its pure pakhand. PURE PAKHAND simply as if you took the steps to take amrit, give YOUR HEAD to Guru Ji, then obviously you must have some quality in you! i think it goes with the name... Amrit? That above line is widely used as just a coverup statement, offering Nimerta by many, i hear it alot and its crap. No offence as stated but if you see a problem then isnt about time a change was implemented? Apologies if my post offends anyone, its not intentional, im just tired of the, "i cant do it" card! Gets anoying, if your amritdhari, then the protection of Sikhi comes first. Without offending anyone, but if we are quick to rush to a protest of 84, then we shud be kicking ourselves for not geting to maharaj faster. WJKK WJKF Is that aimed at myself, or all-info?? 126931[/snapback]

All-Info is the name on this account therefore please use it Amanpreet. Also, i respect you are busy, but thats not really relevant. There are some who work full time, study full time, continue there weekly seva of events and run sikh societies but still find the time to u know, do some seva. I did not make it personal, you yourself have made so and i did not imply u were the one with the talents you have listed on yourself!! I simply stated that you said in your post, as Nama Singh, that you make it your duty to protect Maharaj, which going by the cases so far, you have not been present. Sorry if offended you!! WJKK WJKF

:doh: :doh: WELL SAID!!

Is coventry still not confirmed? I shall be letting the students at cov uni know 2moro so if they want to go they need to know where to meet and go from...

It is clear enough what H4Rpal has said!! If outsiders come in on a regular basis to tackle the issues which by now, locals are more then capable of doing, and espcially those who are Amritdhari!! (who have a DUTY to protect Maharaj!) . Problems have been highlighted, now isnt about time locals stoop up and did something? Why is there a need for outsiders to always come and solve the problems if you know about them yourself? With some singhs from your local area? Peacefully approach and take the required steps in an ordely fashion harming no one. If violence is provoked (walk away - not because you are being scared, because you have a back up plan, record your evidence and then produce it when the police turn up so your back is covered, then do as you please after). The campaign should and will be getting involved but i would like to point out, Nama Singh, you mentioned its not just a locals problem and yuo see it your duty to protect maharaj where there is beadbi. No offence, but in the 2yrs the Campaign has been active, where have you been? You were also not present on the day Ik Nivaas was approached on the federation event. Therefore are you SURE your statement is correct? This isnt a knock at anyone, just its a point to be made. Please dont say its your duty if the bottom line is, you never there when the action is happening because then it comes to the bottom line, hiding behind a pc making comments as we hear so often. If there isnt a well established sikh base then isnt it about time u changed that? u need 5 SINGHS thats it, to walk in there and discuss the problem. Surely in the whole of WOlverhampton you must have just 5 SINGHS? I know loads of sikhs in wolves, theres probably a load on here!! If you live in wolves contact each other and sort out some kind of communication link so you can work together activley. A quick point - outsiders will not refuse to help on the issue, nor will the campaign but shouldnt someone atleast contact them to find out whats goign on instead of talking about it on a forum? that would be prehaps the most pro active thing!! Considering the campaign spke to iknivaas on the day of the convention and discovered Gurdwaras in Wolves had permitted the Saroop to be kept there. The Moorti was removed and it is true, they did have maharaj on a higher level. THe place is RSS, u can tell! There is no Quran there, therefore just Hindu and Sikh religious happenings. Maybe it might be an idea for a local, with the gutts to do so!! TO maybe go in on a regular basis, become familiar with the people, and the place! And document the happenings to Maharaj on a daily basis then you know exactly whats going on and what isnt as opposed to jumping to loads of conclusions. Personally i want Maharaj out, i wanted him to leave that day. The problem is, lack of evidence, as the place is declared a religious institue of all religions, its gona be a bit hard to walk in there, take a saroop and not expect the police to be knocking on your door - thats not me chickening out!! im up for it! BUT that is a BIG loop hole in the law! needs to be investigated and needs to have evidence. Im sure, THAT MUCH!! someone in wolves can do! Especially one with such a talented ability to take pictures and audio recordings!! WJKK WJKF

Just tell him Mohammed was a kiddy fidler, married a 6yr old and conducted intercourse at 12 - thats erm.. Kiddy Fidling?

i get the feeling te response u made is in relation to ur screen name? did u read the post before?? no shouldnt wear a kalgi. If he is amritdhari then whats wrong with wearing a Chand Tora? And dhumala shastar? Why the need to wear the plume only Guru Gobind Singh ji has the right to wear? He should himself know that...