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Good post. Circle three times and sit with folded hands is a very clear instruction to have. I will try and remember to be seated with folded hands. I wonder if I will ever see anyone circle three times though! Many circle once, but I haven't seen 3 times, yet!

Oh that's a piece of cake. They fake Sikh sites will not specify very clearly that: Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji (which has the light/soul of the ten Gurus from Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji to Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji) is the only living Guru of the Sikhs from1708 to eternity. They will also try to say you do not need to take Amrit, or if you do, it's deosn't need to be taken from the Panj Piyare Amritdhari Sikhs. Anti-Sikh agencies have been trying to lead Sikhs away from the above two facts Since Guru Gobind Singh Ji returned to Sach Khand (the plain of truth)! If a Sikh sticks to the above two facts she/he will NEVER go wrong!!!

I think, you, or anyone else, who wears a Kara, and tells anybody that they are a Sikh, should fill in the Census form, as a Sikh. Otherwise, people will say, "you only call yourself a Sikh when it suits you i.e. to attach yourself to the great history of the Gurus and Gursikhs (like we all do), but then, on the one occasion when you needed to stand up and be counted you deliberately backed out just to despise your Guru's Amritdhari Sikhs. Another way of putting it, is, should you ever say, or give, the impression, to anyone, that your are a Sikh, if you didn't want to put it on the Census Form, when it was the real time for you to call yourself a Sikh? At the end of the day, it's up to you, do what you think would please Guru Ji, if, you want to please Guru Ji. The way I see it is, if we Sikhs DO tick the following boxes i.e....... Tick Q16E as other, and then write Sikh and at Q20 tick Sikh Then there is big difference to the rights we will receive, as Sikhs, if we do get ourselves recognised as an ethinic group. If there wasn't a difference, then there would not be an enthic group section on the form, there would only be a religious section!!! The definition I have seen for Ethnic is "cultural: denoting or deriving from or distinctive of the ways of living built up by a group of people" We are all constantly told that Sikhi is not just a religion but also a way of life - True? So if we did not mark ourselves as a separate Ethnic group on the Census Form, then wouldn't that make us liers??????? Because, as Sikhs, we are not supposed to tell lies!!! And that's why we have to state Sikh, and NOT indian!!!

The way I see it is if we Sikhs DO tick the following boxes...... Tick Q16E as other, and then write Sikh and at Q20 tick Sikh ..... then we've got more chance of getting the following issues, and many many others, resolved: Disrespect being shown towards our Turbans at airports and in life generally More chances of our children being allowed to wear their Turbans in schools (look what happened in France) They could even ban patker in future (some children in this country have experienced problems with Turbans and Patker already) More chance of us being able to wear Kirpans at airports and in life generally More chance of our children being able to wear Kirpans in schools now, and in the future! It is already being blocked in schools More chance of our children being able to wear a Kara in Schools in the future More chance of Sikhi being taught in schools, in RE, in future And ANY other 'political issues facing the Sikhs in Britain today The above issues, and many others, ONLY effect Sikhs, not indians!!! That's why we are listing ourselves as Sikhs, not to attack indian-ness but to gain our rights as Sikhs (we can't expect somebody else to gain our rights for us, can we? There is big difference to the rights we will receive, as Sikhs, if we do get ourselves recognised as an ethnic group. If there wasn't a difference, then there would not be an enthic group section on the form, there would only be a religious section!!! The definition I have seen for Ethnic is "cultural: denoting or deriving from or distinctive of the ways of living built up by a group of people" We are all constantly told that Sikhi is not just a religion but also a way of life - True? So if we did not mark ourselves as a separate Ethnic group on the Census Form, then wouldn't that make us liers??????? Because, as Sikhs, we are not supposed to tell lies!!! And that's why we have to state Sikh, and NOT indian!!!

Dear Singhs & Kaurs (well some Singhs and Kaurs who have gone off this topic, abit), Is there any chance we can just stick to the agenda and just get as many Sikhs to do the following when filling in their cencus form: Tick Q16E as other, and then write Sikh and at Q20 tick Sikh We only have to cover and publicise the two points in red, nothing else! If we don't do it, then we have no right to complain when the government does not take Sikhs into consideration on any matters whatsoever! The above points are at the corner of this webside too! This is Miri, definitions from Sikipedia below Let's just get the above printed on big signs in Gurdware, and Get the Gurdware to announce it, and assist people. If we want to get the Singhs and Kaurs in our Sikh Media to help us, then please contact them using any of the means below. Some have already done it, or already got it in the pipeline, so let's not make too many assumptions Sky 840 Sikh Channel Mob 07932 828 200 Tel 0121 380 1050 info@sikhchannel.tv Sky 847 Sangat TV email info@sangattrust.org Sky 848 Sikh TV Mob 07574 779935 Tel 0121 761 1313 email info@thesikhtv.com Sky 0150 Sukh Sagar Radio (tel 0208 571 7200 or 0208 813 900 info@sukhsagarradio.com Sky 0716 Amrit Bani Radio (tel 020 8606 9292/9595) info@amritbani.com I like conspiracy theories too, but on a separate topic! Miri The word miri has been derived from Persian word “miri”, which itself comes from the Arabic “amir” which literary means commander, governor, lord, prince, etc, and signifies temporal power, civil authority or material control. The word miri and piri are frequently used together. Piri The word piri has been derived from Persian “pir” literary meaning senior man, saint, holy man, spiritual guide, head of a religious order and stands for spiritual authority or non-material or non-worldly power; control over the soul of the person; pertaining to the non-material world. The word miri and piri are frequently used together. Miri Piri The words “miri and piri” in Sikh tradition are used in reference to the temporal and spiritual components of life. The term, Miri Piri represents, for Sikhs, the basic principle that has influenced their political thought and governed their social structure, political behaviour, organisation, leadership and politics since the origin of the concept by Guru Hargobind (1595 - 1644) who, unlike his five predecessors, adopted a princely style right from the time of his installation in 1606 as the sixth Guru or prophetmentor of the Sikhs, when as part of the investiture he wore on his person two swords, one representing Miri (political) command of the community and Piri with pin, spiritual leadership.

As long as you don't dishonour a religious symbol through your actions and wear it with the understanding of what the 'gifter' or 'giver' of that religious symbol expected you to believe in, or follow, before you wore it, then all is OK! For example, if I wore a Muslim Skullcap, or Nuns Outfit, or a Crucifix, or any such religious symbols, and then mugged an old lady, or walked around drunk out of my mind on Friday nights with them on, then I would only be disrespecting those religious symbols and the people of those religious faiths. It would be just as disrespectful if I wore them without having the decency to do the required amount of research to find out what those symbols stood for, or what the gifter/giver of those symbols expected me to believe in, or follow, before I wore those symbols. Again, if I wore a Muslim or Jewish Skullcap, and didn't even bother to find out that you could not ear pork if you wore those symbols, as directed by Mohammed, then I would be disrespecting both Mohammed and the Muslims, and Moses and the Jews, by wearing those Skullcaps. It would also be more than just 'not being perfect', and instead it would be an insult to Islam and the Jewish faith. Or, if I wore Hindu symbols and ate beef I would be disrespecting Hindus. Or, if I wore a crucifix but did not believe in Jesus then I would be disrespecting Christianity. A Christian can be perfect and eat Pork, but a Muslim is far from perfect who eats pork, A Muslim can be perfect and eat Beef, but a Hindu is far from perfect who eats beef. So what we wear does bring about some very specific instructions/codes. Otherwise, we are just making a game of it and making it up as we going along!!! So, in the same way, wearing a Kara, and carrying out actions which are not in accordance with Sikhi, is dispectful to Guru Ji and the Sikhs. You don't have to be perfect to wear a Kara, but you should do the relevant amount of research before wearing a Kara, otherwise, it's no different to eating pork whilst wearing a Muslim or Jewish Skullcap.

In a previous post in this topic I said that the Punjabi word 'Aadami' had a connection to Adam (as in Adam and Eve) I have been that Aadami referes to the fact that we only remain on this earth whilst we are breathing (Dam Dami) - Aadami.

Everytime bare faced liers like this, spout out evil lies like this, they lie against God himself! For if God records every FACT that has taken place, then in this particular instance (1984), they a contradicting the events God himself has already recorded. How can they call God himself a lier? For when you deny the truth you are calling God a lier, because God is Truth! I guess they'll have to explain it to God when then stand in front of the him. Oh, I forgot, these people obviously forget that they are going to die, and have to explain themselves to God, that's if they have any concept of God at all!! These people will generate more of these lies to carry out 'another 1984', they're probably thirsty for the blood of more innocent Sikh Children, Women, and Men! Dear Singhs and Kaurs, it looks like it's time for us to Join Amnesty International, and get Justice for 1984, once and for all! That's in addition to supporting our Sikh Media (the best form of defence against these people): It's survival of the fittest now, and the religions with the fittest media will survive!! Sky 840 Sikh Channel Mob 07932 828 200 Tel 0121 380 1050 info@sikhchannel.tv Sky 847 Sangat TV email info@sangattrust.org Sky 848 Sikh TV Mob 07574 779935 Tel 0121 761 1313 email info@thesikhtv.com Sky 0150 Sukh Sagar Radio (tel 0208 571 7200 or 0208 813 900 info@sukhsagarradio.com Sky 0716 Amrit Bani Radio (tel 020 8606 9292/9595) info@amritbani.com

:waheguru: :waheguru: :waheguru: Yes, people wouldn't think much of us as a Panth if we couldn't even remember those who served us!

BiggChan has hit the nail on the head!!!! It's the Media's rule today! Please contact the channels below and ask them to publicise this (and any other important Sikh issues) through news bulletins, shows with previews, phone ins etc etc. Please contact all your friends and family by txt, phone and emails to do the same: If you feel like following one of your golden rules (Vand Chakko) then this is the time set up a Direct Debit with them, or make a one off donation It's all about the survival of the fittest now, and only the religions with the 'fittest' media WILL survive!! Unless we get a voice (media) we Sikhs, and our Gurdwares, will always be trampled over!!!! Sky 840 Sikh Channel Mob 07932 828 200 Tel 0121 380 1050 info@sikhchannel.tv Sky 847 Sangat TV email info@sangattrust.org Sky 848 Sikh TV Mob 07574 779935 Tel 0121 761 1313 email info@thesikhtv.com :waheguru: :waheguru: :waheguru: :waheguru: :waheguru: :waheguru:

Matheen statement is back up by Japji Sahib Ji. kyqy pvx pwxI vYsMqr kyqy kwn mhys ] kaethae pavan paanee vaisa(n)thar kaethae kaan mehaes || So many winds, waters, and fires, so many Krishnas and Shivas kaethae pavan paanee vaisa(n)thar kaethae kaan mehaes || Guru Nanak Dev Ji told us that there were many Krishnas but told us to worship Akaal Purkh Vaheguru (the one and only true God) PS. Does anybody know how to make Gurmukhi Script appear on your posts?

Lavpal, I heard a good one recently, and that was, " a family that prays together, stays together". What about if you and your parents all sat in the same room and recited Japji Sahib da paath together, outloud? Or full nitnem, out loud? You could try it in the morning and may be all plan to be nice to each on that day, as a start. If they both have love for Guru Ji/Sikhi, then hopefully, that bond, will keep them together!:waheguru:

Kaljugi - the other theorist, who are of the same ilk as Icke, would never dare to venture too deep into Sikhi, as then all would be explained to them! Then they would have nothing to 'theorise' over!:BL:

Harjeet, time permitting I will watch the video. But in the meantime.... you're not a member of Ron L Hubbard's religion of Sciencetology are you? Only I hear that thay believe that the Martians (yes from Mars) started us, the human race. I have also read in a book that scientology is a sect of Christianity. Which kind of makes sense now as your video seems to be backing up Sciencetology via the Bible?? By the way, I don't really think you're a sciencetologist. However, have you ever been 'nearly collared' by them in the past?:umm:

Thanks! Will try that too! Will use sparringly as it's expensive!

In Punjabi one of the words we use for man is aadami, that's based on the concept of Adam. I have also heard that Aadami referes to the Dam (breath) we take as men. And to stress that we only remain on this earth whilst we are breathing! Like Kaljugi says, acknowledging the existance of a historical figure does not mean that that figure is meant to be worshiped. If Adam and Eve did start the human race, then from them came Abraham, who is known as the father of the 3 religions (Judhaism, Christianity, and Isalm). That is to say all Jews, Christains and Muslims are descendants of Abraham. So the connections already there for those relegions. However, they don't worship one anothers religions. One things for sure, we, every human on this planet, must be related to the first humans on this planet, who ever they were!

There are two types of people: Those who see the outside only, and those who look at what's inside the person too! You just need to find some Londoners who fit into the second catergory! :waheguru:

Thanks for that! Looks like the DS Lite will have to stay in the drawer then !

genie has seen through the so called 'kkaur' (I am not going mention the other part of 'kkaur's forum name for the very reasons genie has already mentioned)!! I think it's totally disrespectful for "kkaur" to post such remarks on the Topic discussing the death of Gagandeep Singh, a Gursikh! Admin should PM genie regularly to get genie's thoughts on the 'dodgy' members on this Forum. We should all be monitored. I didn't know Gagandeep Singh Ji, but have to say, I feel that we have lost a good one there!! Everyone wants a long life, but what we should all be praying for is to lead a good life, which is to serve others. From what I have heard Gagandeep Singh Ji served many people in his short life, which is what it's all about! We're all going to go one day! Let's hope we do some good for others before we go! Wishing Gagandeep Singh's Aatma has merged with Vaheguru Parmatma. Vaheguru Ji bless his family with peace in this difficult time!:waheguru:

Great help! Many thanks!

Thanks for confirming that! Seems you're right! Nobody has corrected you!

Good points! Anything that does not harm you, or anyone else, and helps you learn about other cultures and religion is a good thing. Especially, if it does not involve a Sikh giving up the beliefs and moral principles the Guru's gave us.:waheguru:

THanks for that Kaljugi, I haven't got a smartphone so will see if I can find a way to get Gurbani, in any format, onto the DS Lite. Thanks again!

Thank you, But as I say to anyone who listens to me. Please always get what I say checked out (or get a second opinion from a learned Sikh). I say this for your protection as my knowledge is limited. And you know what they say... a little bit of knowledge can be very dangerous. If you do speak to somebody and get a different answer please do let me know, that way we are all learing new things!

I am not joking, but, I don't even know what a R4 Card is. I really don't know how to get any Gurbani, in any format, on DS Lite. Any format will do, video, mp4, pdf, anything! By the was it's Brother.:waheguru: :waheguru: