NamoSarab

I wish they had closed BBC Asian Network down. It's so c**p!

It's ridiculous what Sangat TV get away with. No one will stop them. People on this forum talk about it, agree it's wrong, but when the question is asked about what to do, you could hear a pin drop.

Actually, this type of racism spans the world mate. I have been to the US lots of time, and sure there are regions in America which are less educated than others, but are you telling me such regions don't exist in UK? If you think they don't, you're deluded. In addition, I don't think it's fair to blame the people as much. If they had the right kind of education in their curriculums raising awareness on religions like you have in the UK, then things might be better. But even those that have the education in the UK and everything, you can't stop a racist being a racist.

This is start of much more to come. Sikh on Sikh violence is increasing as time goes by. It's not only individuals fighting amongst themselves, but organizations and jathas as well. Not just bickering, but full on gang violence.

I don't know about Delhi, but there's always Barking Gurdwara in London... :blink2:

Satinder Sartaj rocks. It's probably a good thing he isn't classed as a Sikh by some of you lots' standards. I have listened to his albums, heard his lyrics, and although I don't understand every lyric of his being born and bred in england, I understand enough to know that his lyrics speak so much truth and his popularity and fame is much needed in Punjab and around the world to raise awareness of key issues. Also, those that know him well, know he is a very very good guy and genuinely cares about people. Doesn't matter what some of you jokers think anyway. Sikhi is more than just a label. It's more than just black and white writings. Guru Sahib has many rang, many roops - not just in the form of Sikhs and our Guru Sahibs. But in each He resides... irrespective of gender, colour and caste. I don't think Sartaj ever classed himself or is classed as a religious man, which I think is awesome coz I would hate to be classed as religious if some of you are fall under that category. He's spiritual, not religious. There's a difference.

... and never under estimate the power of Ardas. ਬਿਰਥੀ ਕਦੇ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਜਨ ਕੀ ਅਰਦਾਸਿ ॥ (The ardaas of a true servant never fails) There is no doubt that there is unlimited power in Ardaas, provided that we do ardaas according to the correct methodology. We should have full faith in Vaheguru, in front of whom the ardaas is done. We should have faith that Vaheguru has the capability to fulfil our ardaas. We must do some personal effort to achieve that wish for which we do ardaas, and our wish must be according to Gurmat. http://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,550,574

http://www.gurmukhyoga.com/forum/index.php?id=469sikhnet%3F You may think Gurumustuk Singh or Guruka Singh contols SikhNet but this is not the case. In a recent court battle in Oregon, stimulated by the infighting over Yogi Bhajan's business empire, evidence has surfaced showing the true corporate structure of SikhNet. SikhNet is controlled by the Sikh Dharma Unto Infinity Board which also controls all other Yogi Bhajan businesses. Kartar Khalsa is the board's chairman and he is not even a Sikh! Now these executives have filed for bankruptcy! http://www.registerguard.com/web/newslocalnews/27659795-41/golden-temple-bankruptcy-management-khalsa.html.csp

Not really. Maybe maya is the root of all problem, but maya does not refer directly to money though it falls under the same category.

Jeez, some people need to calm down. This is a discussion topic... and this is a discussion forum. If you don't like it, don't read it. If anything, the news websites have attacked him - I don't hear you complaining to or about them.

I personally, don't believe that. Not being funny, but I can't imagine Gagan would have pestered her so much for cash that she owed him. And besides, what do people do when they owe you cash? They just avoid you to the max, don't answer calls, messages etc. I can understand why the family would want to counteract her claims, but the rest of the evidence, including the nature of the SMS messages, suggest that this definitely was not about money. Again, that's just my opinion, no disrespect to the family.

I partly agree with what someone said about him not being the "great Gursikh" he, and other people, made him out to be. Rumors were rife about Gagan WAY before his murder. But that doesn't mean he was necessarily a bad Sikh or a bad person. He just made some errors in judgement... who hasn't made errors in judgement in their own lives? He tried to apologize and make up for his mistake with the person that was directly involved, bombarding her with apologetic phone calls and SMS messages. His biggest mistake was trusting her. But pre-planned murder? That, to me, does not constitute as an "error in judgement". That is just pure evil.

If she was truly sorry for her actions, she would accept ANY punishment for commiting such a crime. She'd be lucky she'd be able to keep 90% of her fingers! KopSingh is being compassionate here I feel! But seriously, divorce, even in Sikhi, exists as a "back door". As someone mentioned earlier, if a wife has been raped by her husband or abused in other ways, then as far as I know, there is no Maryadha that prohibits divorce. This is a bit different in the sense that no ones life or safety is in danger (theoretically) so it's debatable. HOWEVER people, abortion in this case is not debatable. Don't even think about it. This girls life, nor the life of her child, is not in danger. There is no exceptional circumstance in the case of abortion. The husband has a case for divorce, he is the innocent party in this. But the cheating kanjaree and the guy she slept with have no case for abortion. To the original poster : I applaud you for doing the right thing. You told your parents. Now FIGHT to keep that child. It's easy for you to sit back and do nothing if she wants an abortion. But if you don't try to save that child, then you will regret it in the future, one way or the other. Karma will bite you and bite you hard. One thing about karma is that it is NOT a religious thing - it's a natural thing. The world seems to have this natural energy which gives people their dues eventually.

Also, i believe firefox have an android browser now too...

If your telling me that you would not divorce your wife after she cheats on you in such a way, then you must be some sant or something coz i certainly wudnt stick around after that - n if you're telling me God would punish me for it, then I don't think I would want to "merge with Sachkhand" anyway. No offense.

Ok you have heard the harsh but true responses above but I can kinda see your issue... No Gursikh is perfect - whether you have been amrit dhaari for 1 year or 10 years, it doesn't mean you are strong minded enough to be able to detach from maya. The perfect solution is to abandon being hooked up on looks and concentrate on the beauty within... but as I said, we are not perfect and we MUST be realistic about things if we are to keep a healthy mind. Physical attraction to a partner IS an important thing, because if it isn't there and you have desires in your mind, then you will mess up. You will look elsewhere when chances present themselves. In simple terms, you will eventually cheat on her in one way or the other - and that is unacceptable not only on a spiritual level, but on a humane level too. However, you have "made your bed". You have a wife, you have responsibilities. You need to begin coming to terms with it... but trust me, it won't take you long if you meditate on His name. It will bring you humility and peace to your life; it will diminish worldly hopes and desires and bring you closer to Him. That sounds like "bible-talk" sure, but it works veer jee. As time goes by, when you get into your 30's and so forth, the lustful thoughts and desires diminish anyway. Why get hooked up on looks etc, when it all fades away with age anyway? Does a 20-year-old girl still keep the same looks when she's 30? or 40? or 50? The majority of your life with your partner will be in your elder years. I believe we all have one major "test" in life... maybe yours is to overcome this. I think if you do, you will be the happiest guy alive. Happiest out of all your brothers and friends that you know. Question is - are you up for challenging yourself?

You would like to think so but I have heard many worse stories than this so I think it's genuine enough...

Well, let's state some obvious points. Firstly, you shouldn't have been having a physical relationship before marriage anyway... and even if you did, you should have used protection. It sounds like because you slept together, it was that what led to the eventual end of the relationship. You didn't know about her being already married, although I find that hard to believe. I mean before you go out with someone, don't you check them out or have mutual friends in common to go to and find out?! It might be easy to say it's her fault for not telling you... but it's also your fault for not finding out yourself. You go to the same Gurdwara, how could you not find out things?! I don't know what advice you are looking for here. The right thing to do, you know yourself. Keep the child, face the music, go pesh (if you have taken Amrit) and accept whatever comes at you now. But beware:- it might not only be her life that's destroyed, it will be her entire family's, her husband, his family, any current children they might have and also yours. Expect disaster! But time is a healer and you will only have peace again when Maharaj decides to give it to you. If I was in your position... I would tell my parents first with the utmost humility. Don't answer back. Just take their harsh tongue and juthiyaa. Then, when they eventually have calmed down, get their advice. You also need to convince the girl, if she isn't already, that abortion is NOT an option. Can you live the rest of your life with death of a baby on your conscience? You might think you can... but we don't control our minds or our conscience as well as we like to think we do. The girl needs to tell her husband before she tells anyone else. She should not disclose your ID until a few days down the line after he has slept on it else he most likely will backlash and you could be in danger if he reacts as badly as I would in these situations. What happens from then on will be down to the couple. You made a HUGE mistake... but the bigger mistake is hers. She cheated on her husband and led you on thinking that something could come of your relationship. You will have to face the music... but she will go through MUCH worse and rightly so. Whatever you do... be practical and clever about it now. Don't let your emotions control and guide you else she will get to you and manipulate the situation to her advantage. She deserves what's coming to her. She cheated on her husband but she also cheated you. There's names women for like that that I don't want to use on this forum. Good luck

I think people are too quick to judge others as being enticed by lust as the reason for marrying out of religion and race. I think most people are a bit more genuine with their intent but are fooled by emotions. People don't think practically about marriage. It's all "but oh, i FEEL this, and I FEEL that" and you just feel like grabbing them, shaking them and telling them to wake up! People blame media for a lot of issues, and although I agree with those people, I think it all begins at home. Not everyone has good parents.

If there's all this overwhelming evidence, how come they came to no decision? What was discussed and what was the defense of the accused? Can I ask, is the evidence ONLY testimonials from people or do you have recordings? E-mails? Videos? Anything other than testimonials? Not saying testimonials are invalid, but they aren't as solid as recordings and so forth. Maybe you can try getting some recordings from the camps where they do wrong parchaar? Or even get some of the commitee members from Gurdwaras they go to, to support this "campaign" if it is justified?

Believe me, ID#IOT was the politest word I could use to describe the *******. Anyway, if someones a dog, I shall call him a dog rather than lie and call him a cat.

Website SikhChic does it again. Man, why does no one hack this crappy site?! And idiots like GuruKa Singh condone the article... http://www.sikhchic.com/article-detail.php?cat=12&id=3050 I think Sikhs should have reacted more in 2007 when this fool called us "Diaper Heads"... there is no doubt that that comment was offensive. There would have been NO ROOM for argument. But this Harmandir Sahib joke has divided opinion.

I have seen, heard and read a lot about Sangat TV and their anti-panthic programming which has been going on for a while. We should get together as a panth and do something about it before they do more damage. I know that we should not be calling them a Sikh channel, but they are seen as such and will continue to promote themselves as such. Would be interested to hear what others think? On a side note, well done to Sikh Channel for actually improving the output in recent months. Not perfect but still lots better. You should move on to Virgin media now!!! Annoys me how Sangat TV keep coming out with the same old c*** everytime like "we don't beg for money" trying to hint at Sikh Channel for their constant donation requests. But I would rather put up with constant requests for donations than dissin the Khalsa panth coz that's exactly what they do.

Yes I found out who this was about and found out some stuff. I did join this forum after this thread was created so yes, I too could be one of the ten! :stupidme:

This thread worries me a little in the sense that it seems to be mainly new members who are the ones that are really going at it. Not saying it's not genuine, of course not... but it does raise questions in my mind. I could go get 10 different user names, 10 different PC's, 10 different locations and spark a war against someone to defame them. I am not saying it's happening here, but I would like to know how SikhSangat admin confirm the validity and credibility of these sources. Again I am not saying anyone is lying here before the hate messages begin!!! Infact... I agree with the gurbar post above in many ways - particularly in regards to the bibi. I wish the Singh would realize that because of this bibi, he ended up losing his friends, his family, his sangat, he has no job, career aspirations never blossomed... and now he is losing what little support and respect he had left just by sticking up for her. Does he stop and look around him to see what he has? He has 2 or 3 young daughters at a young age living isolated in a house which was once the home to much happiness and good times... including the home of his great late father. Where did they all go? What is left? Sure, Guru Maharaj is always there for us and He should be our companion for better or for worse, but all the events leading up until this time (and you should sit and reflect up on all the events... do you not think Guru Maharaj is trying to tell you something? Like maybe you need to wake up and be honest to yourself and not be taken for a ride by such people? I really do hope he wakes up and realizes. It's not too late. Not yet.