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firstly did this mahapursh tell you the sant marg as described per gurbani, and did he tell u the rasta to vaheguru as per bani: poocho santo mera thakur caasa, secondly the 'fit' as you describe it can easily be controlled, you just have to knw the jugti, and as i stated b4 u get even more anand. Since ive been attending the sangat never has an incident occured where the sangat or bhai ajit singh ever made others feel over numbered, this isnt some dera where some 'mahapursh' sits in a seperate room and ppl touch his feet, this is sach the parachaar every1 is welcome and any1 can openly ask any question as long as its naam and gurbani related only. you are talking of other gursikhs leaving there bodies, but what about your self? Are you drinking amrit, hearing anhad shabads, doing darshan of saach. I don't believe myself to be higher then any1 else, infact im still at early 'stages' of abhyaas hence the shaking. I would like to know where you are getting this information from about the shaking being a stage of naam. ^ if you use your logic, we were all japping gurmanter yes? not some other manter but 'vaheguru' gurmanter yes? then how can you disagree that the shaking didnt occur from the abhyaas done? did you see any other method to allow this shaking to occur?

gurfateh, lets address the issues presented here: Ok, so today I went to Swindon and saw with my own eyes that all rumours I have heard are 100% true. This place has mahraj's parkash but does not feel like a gurdwara but more like a cult. ^^why did it feel like a cult? because the sangat have been together for 3+ years and we all know each other and treat other each as family? In the sangat there are many people some lying down on the floor with their feet facing towards mahraj making groaning sounds and crying etc. The prgrammes basically consists of katha and saas girass simran. At first everything seems fine (although I did think it was a bit strange for ppl to be lying down in the gurdwara) ^^ ppl lying down on the floor have gone into sehaj/sunn there bodies are dead but there minds are awake. bhai ajit singh did explain this openly but you failed to include this in your analysis. Then some ppl start going crazy and I don't mean like in josh or anand, they literally look like they are having a epileptic fit. ^^ No, we aren't going crazy we are passing through the tats (elements) of the body causing shaking, we do not feel any pain infact we feel anand but when we are being broken it causes us to cry as the shabad is taking us home but we are being stopped. I am stressing the 'we' because i speak from practical experience. oh and believe me it can take alot more then 3 singhs to break the shabad. After the simran the katha began this basically consisted of Ajit Singh saying that to open ur dasam duaar is very easy and all you need is the right jugti. ^^ jugtis are only given to those who do the practical. Basically these ppl are brainwashed by him. Although he cunningly doesn't call himself a baba, he is as bad as the worst pakhandis out there. He makes the sangat believe that brahmgian is just around the corner and the way to reach it is by coming to the programmes and getting the jugti from him. I can totally understand why sangat are so hooked they go there with the hope of getting naam. ^^ naam is only given by the satguru not by bhai ajit singh, this was explained in the diwan 'bin nami mukt na bhavi koi bin satgur ko naam na pai' I fail to see how he is a pakandi or baba? did he ask for money? were ppl touching his feet?? Please explain the baba aspect. they totally ignore the fits, they ignore the ppl that are lying on the floor with their feet facing towards maharaj v.disrespectful imho (I think these ppl are suppossed to have reached some high avastha and are in total anand hence the lying down in bliss LOL.gif ) Also they leave these ppl lying down through the ardas?! If they can't even get this sort of basic maryada right how can they even dream of brahmgian? ^^ again, those that have died through the shabad and gone to the dasam dwaar or at least the 5th taat are trying to smaah, this was explained in the akath katha on how to pass the 5 tats, this stops after a short while, shame, and you get even more anand as you start to leave this body - again from practical no just hear say. Why didnt you confront bhai ajit singh of these issues like you said you would? He openly said has anyone got any questions. I can tell you from practical experience that me and my friends have been going for nearly 2 years...and since we have been going we have started drinking amrit, passed thru the 5 tats, my granddad has been going to 6months and he has shabads and amrit rass...i could go on but ive addressed every point here, this singh doesn't know what is happening, he doesnt knw the anand we experience when we experiencing the shaking/fits. Why don't you come again and address your questions to bhai ajit singh and he will be happy to answer them openly in the sangat. you claim to be part of the khalsa panth yet you havent even gone into his desh.

vjkk vjkf just take a look at www.simran.info and download the katha by bhai sewa singh.

vjkk vjkf. veer ji who posted this mail me @ and ill explain it.

[/sarcasm] great sewa pritam 'singh' 'khalsa' its nice to see you attacking other religions and exploiting there beliefs! keep it up [/sarcasm]

i think most of us need to become khalsa (pure) before getting others to become khalsa

but you are never anything inyour own eyes but a GurSikh until you die and you have met with Dharam Raj ^^ challo thats ur view on it What is a Brahm Giani? How to achieve Jeevan Mukti while living? Can anyone elaborate with us this meaning. ^^ gotta die through the shabad. The shabad is the only way to achieve these spiritual stages :TH:

In Sikhi we have a word that describes what happens to us if we live a real true Khlasa{GurSikh} life.It is called Muksha or Moksha. Now what does this mean? First what is the name of it and how to achieve it? ^^ eh? Slight contridiction there...a gursikh is already 'mukshad' ...well from my understanding muksha is the hindu term for mukti (liberation) ? The only way one can attain 'mokhsha' is by japping naam; the shabad guru...go up to the dasam dwaar ..there are 4 types of mukti and the final is where u merge with vaheguru ji..forgive me if this is not what muksha or moksha means in gurmukhi lippi.

tell ur dad to jaap naam; its cure for all diseases!!!!

hmm what about the previous programmes? there was someone stating that they were uploading them... but never showed up..also are the amrit bani recordings gonna be available?

what...wutgwan what kind of manmat is this...clearly states that all sikhs shud show there support to brazil..sheesh...im gonna tell the jathader of your manmatness!!!

veer ji from my limited understanding sargun is that what we can see, what passes through maya and is now visible to the eye...nirgun is that we cannot see. This is Vaheguru jees to roops; sargun roop is dhan dhan sri guru granth sahib ji, then again everything is his sargun roop (of that we can see) nirgun is where there is nothing; n roop n rekh n rang etc etc

Two points of clarification - 3HO do not believe in Keski as Kakkar. And 3HO do not give Naam DriRh to Abhilakees. And Naam DriRh, is seperate to giving the Gurmantar. ^^ ah my bad veer ji And meat is not completely and totally "banned" as a Kurehat to my knowledge in any major Maryada other than AKJ. ^^ i am sure taksals maryada it is banned? hmm maybe you could explain this a little further, thx Proves that kid munjoth is part of a sect and/or an offshoot just like radhaswamis, nirankaris, etc. Meaning he doesn't care about Guru or Guru Panth. Koorh Nikhuttay Naankaa Orak Such Rahee! Panth enemies can keep trying but they will never be able to finish off the Panth!!!!! ^^ [/sarcasm] yes i am a panth enemy, i am hear to finish off the panth, bow b4 me and come to my dera[/sarcasm] now what the hell are you on about?

hmm although gurdwara has that peaceful aspect to it...the sangat at the churches = alot better behaved, they all sing along to the hymns and are very respectful / quiet during the sermons...as opposed to our gurdwaras where the bibya are doing choogali on one side and you get the rude bois at the back having a good ol' chat A few katha vachiks, kirtanees have complained about this and dont take to kindly to it.

from what i understand the difference arent that big, only on certain issues: meat issue: all maryadas ban it apart from SGPC and maybe some nihung sects keski as kakaar: only akj and i think 3HO accept this, rest of the panth say kes is kakaar 5 bania as minimum: most of panth say 5 bania but SGPC say 3 Where bani is read up to (namely chaupai sahib) Naam dhrirh: not entirely sure about this but i think again, akj and 3HO say you only get gurmanter from the punj if u have naam dhrirh... Thats the main difference really. lol.

heh, i goto a catholic skool to and we gotta do that on random occasions to (easter i think) but i take it more as an educational thing than a worshipping kind of thing; also i tend to apply there prayers to god and not jesus so its all good ;]

kurtas veer ji, i think heera veer ji is right - please relax a little and not turn this into a debate; although i did find your comments/pictures amusing...but clearly not everyone will such as my veer SSM ji.

veer ji, With regards to your kirpan question and how it is blunt..i to have pondered over this but my doubts were cleared when i heard of 2 gursikhs that when you reach a certain spiritual state you unlock alot of power from your kirpan 1 of these power was immense bir raas....other powers were not specifically mentioned so i cannot confirm this, the two gursikhs were a) giani thakur singh b) a certain singh on tapoban forums who always makes very inspiring posts. :e:

what the hell are you lot taking....telling our dear sister to bleach her hair? Are you lot just plain stupid? can i jus do it?? can i bleach my facial hair?? what if i ignore this desire n it never goes away- what'll happen 2 my soul it'll never b content, n i have absolutely no avasthaa so it'll never b quenched im not fortunate enough for guruji to bless me wit his kirpa ^^ NO, you cant; Then again if you are not a sikh do whatever. Now lets take a few steps on making this horrible disease go away: 1) during amritvela do at least 2 hours naam abhyaas 2) do ur nitnem 3) keep other rehits 4) during evening do at least 1hr of naam abhiyaas 5) Do sangat, take in gurmat updesh. 6) avoid tv,music,movies. THEN watch the 'filth' get washed away, give it 2/3months not only will you inside become beautiful (your avasta will grow) BUT your outside will become beautiful to.

hmm lol i dont get how rehit maryadas are different ill just say what my idea of the rehit is: wake up between 12am-6am (amrit vela) do simran 2/3hours do 5 bania nitnem evening do rehiraas sahib do 1/2hrs simran before sleep do kiran sohila avoid: music,tv,movies (filth of that sort) avoid: 4 bujjar kurehits (i believe meat being one of them) goto sangat everyday Dont eat from places where meat is handled bathe twice daily (morning, around 5ish) comb hair 2wice a day thats it really? Have i missed anything?

ahhhhh giani thakur singhs on amritbani!!! 20:49gmt - i assume he started at 20:00gmt........

anyone answer my query plz

hey i just was thinking in general term and dont want to start a debate....but its been bugging me for a while: 1) For those that follow the meat maryada do you always get a goat or chicken or w/e and jatka it? Im assuming jatka means to kill a animal with one blow 2) Isnt jatka sort of a religious slaughtering anyway? Like muslims do halal isnt this just a religious killing as well but on we do it the sikh way? 3) On a more spiritual note....do the pro-meat eaters know of any singhs today that have passed the trikuti and still eat meat? (just out of interest) If these have questions have been answered plz forgive me, i dont mean to start a debate but just interested as to how the pro meat-eaters practice this maryada.

why dont they get someone like giani thakur singh to to the arths...his are prolly a whole load accurate

listen.......its weaaaaaaallllllllly simple .......vaheguru will find you your husband/wife vaheguru will give your house/car/job blabla bla...ppl STOP worrying......follow the main haukam and japp naam. Heres food for thought - you could die before you get married so dont wry about it :lol: