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I guess that Khalistan was not restricted to Punjab alone. One day Sikhi will spread all across the world in the most unsuspecting of circumstances. Have faith.

Veerji, don't get carried away by the Darwinian theory of evolution which is an anglo-saxon contribution. Darwin's theory of evolution was a byproduct of the colonisation of various parts of asia, africa and south america by the anglo-saxons who wanted to erase local narratives and impose their own. After all when all the local mythologies and narratives of these three continents say about the presence of snake-like beings in their midst whom they used to worship, they can't be all wrong now .. can they. Also there are hardly, the same amount of temples dedicated to eagles, hawks, lions, tigers or wolves. then why the pre-historic fascination/obsession with only snakes to the exclusion of other predators. Kuch to baat hoga naa .. Let's cross our fingers and wait for time to give us the answer.

Underestimating the power of the ancients are we ? Naga was not only a kingdom, they were a people .. a race of serpentine humanoids .. according to wikipedia. Pun aside, don't brush them away that easily. Why do you think the Chinese worship dragons (snakes with feet) and the Mexicans, Aztecs and Mayans worship snakes as well. In India there is Anant Nag in Kashmir and Nag-ercoil in KanyaKumari. There is Nag-pur in Maharashtra and Nag-aland in North East of India. The symbol of the Saxons of Europe is also a Dragon.

dear driends, what you say is not entirely true. Check out Wikipedia maps of the Maurya Empire and Gupta Empire. Also check out the reach of the Naga Kingdom in India. They were spread out from Kashmir and Afghanistan right upto Kanyakumari, southern tip. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naga_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naga_(clan)

Also if cards are played well, and the security situation in India is same as what it is now, there is a good chance that within the next 3-4 years all Indians could be converted to Sikh fold.

there is no assurance that for eg a BJP led Indian Govt would not try the same stunt Congress did in 84 with muslims or Christians. No guarantees whatsoever. Only guarantee is that the Hindu baniya and baniya-minded will think twice before any disruption and international disrepute hits his pocket book. Sikhs must have complete control over Punjab and Northern India within 3-4 years, or else BJP will impose itself and it's idelogy over everyone else. We need to fight back, but this time through covert means more than overt. The battle of hearts & minds is also important. Finally all Indians are extremely guilty that something like this against Sikhs happened, whether they be RSS supporters or BJP supporters, though they may have another hidden agenda to absorb Sikhs within hindu fold, nevertheless they feel guilt for what happened in 84. They seek a chance to repent, and that chance must be given to them. this will also make the hands of Sikhs much stronger ultimately. And if Sikhs gain strength the other minorities in India will also be comparitively safer. So all hands on deck.

I still think veer that both sides were wrong. As someone who was around in 84 and saw the massacre (not riots) I would say that Nehru's dynasty had done a biggest disservice to India. Such small people like Indira are not worthy of ruling a diverse nation. As far as SAD Mann is concerned, creating independent Khalistan at that time will mean disintegeration of the Indian state. Because Khalistan will immidiately tie-up with Pakistan and both will be supported by US and UK. The only loser will be India. So any Indian would not be comfortable with that thought, because the very life and peace of the country is at stake. If at all SS Mann had to go about seeking Khalistan, it should have been done in a more discreet way and not challenging India outright. OTH the Indian Govt was represent in Punjab by pusillanimous Hindus of the likes of Gobind Ram, who after centuries of living as 'dhimmis' first under Mughals and then under Sikh tried to humiliate Sikhs and remove his own inferiority complex in the guise of establishing peace and writ of the state. Bringing order in Punjab should have been completely restored to Sikhs themselves rather than bring in Hindus with an axe to grind in the picture. It also seemed very petty, that the same Hindus for whom Sikhs had laid down their lives repaid their maganimity in the Gobind Ram'esque manner. So there was ill-will and mistrust all around. The only mistake that can't be washed away is the killing of innocent lives by Govt of India agents like Gobind Ram, these lives can't ever come back. Those killed in 84, and those widowed can't get their lives back and just because those open wounds were created in the past, this issue will not resolve easily.

the Indian govt's guilt is acknowledged. But now what can I as an indian and also someone who belongs to a minority community do to pacify you. I will write GoI on my chest and you can take off my head. Will that satisfy your vengeance ?

I do not support Sant Bhindranwale nor do I support Govt of India. I believe IndiraG used tried to pump up Bhindranwale to face the Akalis and humiliate them at their home turf just as the Congress of today is using Raj Thackeray to brow beat Shiv Sena in Maharashtra. IndiraG, in true dictatorial and family corporate style, since that is how Cong party is run, forgave slight misdemeanours by Bhindranwale and his supporters when they casually bumped off those who were inimical to their movement and terrorised others, all in the vain belief that Bhindranwale would rise against Akalis and she would have the last laugh. Finally the whole experiment turned out quite contrary to her expecations, but instead of taking responsibility for her screw-up and stepping down she decided to teach Sikhs a lesson instead. For this mistake of this pompous woman, we lost countless lives. this dynasty rule has made the life of the whole country miserable. It is no wonder that Mahatma Gandhi when he heard news that the British had announced their decision to leave India, asked Congress party to be immidiately dissolved because it had already served it purpose. He probably foresaw what was to come.

I am not pro-Khalistani by any measure. But after watching that sweet video a few weeks ago, I had tears welling up in the corner of my eyes. Wherever you are, always remain in such chardi-kala brave warriors.

Why don't you keep your generalizations to yourself instead of throwing around very casually western terminology like "Asian male", "South Asian" and so on. You are what you eat, what you think and what you do. I am what I eat, what I think and what I do. And you can be whatever you want, it is in your hands.

his coach claims, he bowls at 105 mph, so is this Indian the fastest ? check out his workout sessions. http://www.maverickscricket.com/videos/atul_medium.swf

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Islam needs such minorities to make money out of else they are just a bunch of back scratching stinky rear buggers with no luck and lesser cash.

http://www.examiner.com/x-5919-Norfolk-Cri...tion-once-again

1862 + 150 yrs is 2012 Mayan prophecy of end of times.

there was a similar film called "Oliver Twist" done on London. Slumdog Millionaire is an 'Oliver Twist on Mumbai'.

>> Such "BIG" social problems which india miserably failed should not be kept under the carpet. Boss, why is the west God damned obsessed with only India's problems. Hey don't you find a pattern here ?? As unfortunate as it sounds- I do feel that whites esp of the WASP variety will find a face of India `acceptable' that reinforces their stereotype of India being a backward and poverty ridden society. Nothing else can explain why Indian movies like Taare Zameen Par got short shrift at the Oscars since it portrayed Indians tackling more evolved emotions and not just being mired in poverty and struggling to succeed. I have no doubt Slumdog will do very well at the Oscars- it's main competition comes from "A Curious Case of Benjamin Button" which is a terrible movie. I just hope that ordinary Indians will take this as a lesson and learn to be more confident about themselves rather than always seeking western validation. Slumdog Millionaire is a Western narrative set in Mumbai with a Katherine Mayo's eye as a drain inspector (in words of Gandhi).

It's another psy-ops by Britain on India. A typical drain-pipe inspectors view on India and made with a view to placating all seperatists that massa is backing them. LOL Which part u didn't like or find non-realistic ?? Will any Indian be allowed to show the 'real' US or the 'real' UK ? If I want to direct such a drainpipe, condescending movie on UK how many Brit actors would co-operate. It is another matter that Indians have zero self-esteem and are perpetually waiting for western validation even if they want to show that their children are slum dogs or dog shoite. WIll the americans allow "Bollywood" to make a movie about ... maybe Blacks in America with total masala indian style. The movie can open with a scene where Obama comes in and says: "I wanna be Pres oh dwent." Whiteys first laugh at him but then realise that a Black man runnin for president will be interesting and they coach him in public speaking........... Why don't we make a script right here and forward it to David Dhawan. The movie can be called Black and White, Whitewash :rolleyes: Afterall it is part of western culture to make mockery of others misfortune.

It's another psy-ops by Britain on India. A typical drain-pipe inspectors view on India and made with a view to placating all seperatists that massa is backing them.

but it's the same old "hindus are bad" tale. have you anything new to share Sarpach sir ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11...C-polo-pal.html

this Paki at Sandhurst will like his predecessors will learn to talk in clipped accent and polish his training skills and shall come back home and plan terrorist attacks like the one on Mumbai. he deserves no sympathies, whatever be the excuse.

I am not trying to defend muslims, infact I agree with what u say, but hindus are not much different. Modi genocided muslims in gujarat and WON ELECTIONS(gjujrati hindu voted this murderer into power). Indira attacked the house of Guru Nanak Dev Jee and became "Durga" and her son Won elections with a record margin. One cannot be defensive on Indira, Modi and whomever when talking of Palestine issue. Indira became Durga after 71 if I am correct. She lost that image to large extent after attack on Golden Temple. Hindus can be as small minded as muslims, and who is defending them for that to bring that issue into Palestinian problem. But one thing that seperates Hinduism and Islam is that those who are dissenters can walk about freely and are relatively safe in Hindu lands. In Islam nobody is allowed to keep a dissenting point of view. If you live in an Islamic country, whether you are muslim or kaffir one is most liable to be hunted down for a difference in opinion.

I used to sympathize with Palestinians and their cause. But time has shown me that one can cry for muslim/Arab causes but they will never cry for us. How many people in India died after terrorist attack in Mumbai, did any of these Arabs even bat an eyelid or drop a tear. never.