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WHEN I WATCHED THIS VIDEO I LITTERALLY CRIED, SEEING SINGHS FIGHT EACH OTHER IN HAZOORI OF MAHARAJ! IF YOU CAN HOLD PEACE WITHIN A GURUDWARA AND THAT TO INFRON OF YOUR GURU HOW ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO UPHOLD A WHOLE NATION CALLED KHALISTAN? NEKHLANK AVTAAR WHERE ARE YOU? The video is of 2 totally different incidents. Possibly even in different parts of the world. The first clips are of the speech in southall and the second is a fight somewhere in canada i think. The point being made by the video should be taken on board, but there is no need to propogate and blame Sikhs for views of one individual. These views are not of the Sikh Panth, but of 1 maybe 2 individuals. The blame should not be given to Sikhsangat forum or Sikhs. The responsibility is with Sikhs to educate their youth and support them, and not allow individuals to air views which are wrong. Sikhs should have no hate. Sikhs see good in every person, and believe all people to be good. Although they accept that people do have bad actions and these should be stopped.

This is the true story.

I wouldn't keep Guru Maharaj Ji's Saroop at home as I am not worthy. It is a massive seva and not easy to carry out. I always think imagine Guru Nanal Dev Ji was in my house, how would i act? The point made earlier about Guru Ji being ever present is brilliant for our jeevans.

press_release_01_1__1_.pdf Gurmat Overrules Malpractice in Leeds Gurdwara In a great triumph by Akal Purakh Waheguru for the panth, with the grace of Satguru Ji, Gurdwara ‘Sikh Temple Chapeltown’, Leeds will no longer allow parties, alcohol, and meat on any of its premises, and as a result the anti-gurmat activity that had been ongoing for more than 25 years has now come to an end. The Sikh community is indebted to the local sangat and the management committee for their momentous and principled decision and is grateful for the guidance and direction from Akal Takhat Sahib for helping resolve this longstanding issue. A Sandesh from the Akal Takht that party halls should not have any association to Gurdwaras was issued in April 2006 and Jathedar Joginder Singh Vedanti personally condemned the actions of the Leeds Gurdwara setup. Upon being requested by the Sikh Sangat both locally and nationally the committee previously said that they would make efforts to change the setup. However nothing to date had been done. Leeds Chapeltown Gurdwara complex had for some years been the scene of disgraceful, anti-Gurmat scenes. The complex consists of the Gurdwara with a party hall about 15 metres adjacent to it. The fact such activities were allowed to carry on in a building which is part of the Gurdwara estate was bad enough, however visitors to the hall would regularly smoke and drink in the shared car park, and sometimes the loud beats from music played in the building next door would be heard over the sublime kirtan inside Guru Ji’s Durbar. Originally there were discussions about moving these activities into a community centre across the road about 50 metres away and to turn the building next door into a school. But this again proved unacceptable as the property would still be part of the Gurdwara estate and as purchased through Guru Ji’s golak an inappropriate use of Satguru Ji’s assets. On Sunday 21st January 2007, many concerned Sikh sangat from around the country travelled to the Gurdwara and a representative was allowed to share their concerns with the Sangat and appeal to the conscience of the wider local sangat. With Satguru ji’s grace, the local Sangat unanimously decided that these anti-Gurmat activities should no longer be allowed to continue in any part of the Gurdwara estate, be it next door or across the road. Upon the decision by the sangat, the Gurdwara Pardhan reflected: “They (sangat from outside the area) came and they did their duty in front of us (sadhsangat) today. We apologise that we didn’t do what they have achieved. We were asleep until they woke us up and exposed what has been going on in front of you. We thank them on behalf of all the sangat for this day. We feel ashamed today as we knew the goings on in the hall were wrong and against Sikh maryada, but we still allowed it to carry on. We are happy today that the issue was raised with us and that the parties, alcohol or meat will not be allowed on any of our premises.” This decision was made by the sangat in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. A written agreement was also made and all future parties cancelled. The Gurdwara will assist those who have already booked parties and obviously apologise for the inconvenience caused. Of course these activities at Leeds Gurdwara are not isolated to this Gurdwara. The message that was sent out by Akal Takht Jathedar Joginder Singh Vedanti, the Gurdwara Parbhandaks, and the Sangat is that anti-Gurmat activity will no longer be tolerated on any part of the Gurdwara estate. Resonating this move in Leeds, an appeal goes out to all Gurdwara Committees that wherever such activities are allowed these must be brought to an end if we truly call ourselves Sikhs of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. There are many needs within the community which can be served by such halls without needing to compromise Gurmat and contradict the divine values enshrined in Gurbani. Teaching of Gurmat, our children’s education, needs of elders, activities for women and young people, are all too often neglected in favour of halls for parties. The Sikh community needs to re-assess its priorities and quite rightly the first priority must be satkar and respect for Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and the upholding of Sikhi Gurmat values.

The giani is always the one who gets away unfortunetly. I know R4G have named and shamed many Gurdwaras and Gianis in the past. I know during July, August and September the R4G is overwhelmed with weddings. I remember speaking to one of the sevadaars who said in August alone they prevented 20-30 weddings. Now we dont all see the hard work they put in. For hotels London is the worst culprit. With majority being in West London. All the hotels on the Heathrow road i think! R4G says alot of venues they have contacted have said they were not aware and will not allow this in future. This is soemthing that needs to be worked on.

Good for Papooo. It is important everyone does parchaar, it is our joint responsibility. No one wants to mess up plans of someones wedding, so lets get to work now.

Panthic Weekly only target certain issues. This has been pointed out before. A bit like Tapoban.org. Politics at play again obviously. It is appalling how Canada seems to not want to deal with this guy.

Bhangra at nagar kirtans is becoming a trend. We see this in Southall every year. Obviously we have the recent Coventry Nanaksar Pakandi Baba encouraging his followers to participate in this aswell. Pakandi Baba Harnek is a known problem, attracting attention from Western Media and also being in trouble with police and courts around the world. I am amazed that jathebandis have not spoken out about this joke of a man. We are quick to slate any Sant, even if they have made no mistake. We will find the smallest of thing to pick on and go mad. Maybe Sant bashers have created a divide, where no one takes them seriously. BUT this Baba is clearly a pakandi. The Sant Samaj have even been approached about this character. Does anyone know if there was a statement from them at all? My understanding is that Harnek is banned by the Sant Samaj. Can this be clarified. We need to address this man. Ideas please? Bhangra - this needs to be addressed through parchaar. Why do we do Nagar kirtans needs to be looked at and a code of conuduct should be read to all sangat.

Sikhi is never in crisis. But we do face problems and attacks on us. It is our duty to defend ourselves. Guru Ji gave us a distinct appearence so that we could not hide. We are supposed to be proactive and unfortunately reactive aswell. Our Guru looks after us, we do not look after our Guru. It is the same as a kid and his parents. The kid cant help his/her Guru. But the kid will always feel hurt and will still try to help where he/she feels there is a need. We need to understand eachother rather than argue and cuss eachother. If someone does beadbi then we have to do something to try prevent it. That means both proactive and reactice. Stop arguing with eachohter and put your energies into seva. The kirpa will always be done by Guru Ji if we are right.

Bandi Chhorr for Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Following Peaceful Protests at Ek Niwaas and Baba Wadbhag Singh Trust Greenford Over the past weekend once again Sikhs had to take direct action through peaceful protest to prevent further disrespect to their 11th Guru, Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. On 10th December 2006 Sikhs from across the country, with Guru Ji’s grace, managed to restore Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the living Word and Guru incarnate to their rightful throne of the Gurdwara at two locations in England. Ek Niwas Wolverhampton As some readers may already be aware, there has been a history of disrespect to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji at Ek Niwas, Wolverhampton. Discussions had continued over several months with negotiators including Bhai Sahib Mohinder Singh from Guru Nanak Nishkam Sewak Jatha and representatives of Gurdwara Councils of Sandwell and Wolverhampton. These discussions had culminated in a signed agreement between the Sikh community and Ek Niwas, witnessed by representatives of West Midlands Police. The agreement concluded that the two saroops of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji at Ek Niwas would be respectfully accompanied to Akal Takhat Sahib unless the Akal Takhat gave permission for Ek Niwas to continue to have the company of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Akal Takhat Sahib refused the request from Ek Niwas due to the presence of idols and other activities, such as dancing, inconsistent with Sikh practice. It recently transpired however, that Ek Niwas had taken a contentious and devious route instead, of obtaining two senchiyaa (volumes) of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and carried out parkash (revelation of scriptures for public Court) together on a manji sahib (dais). Such parkash symbolises the embodiment and presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and went against the original agreement. On the morning of Sunday 10 December Sikhs gathered outside Ek Niwas to firstly confirm in police presence the attendance of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji at Ek Niwas and upon confirmation to accompany Guru Ji to a Gurdwara. Upon substantiation of the containment of Guru Ji’s saroop at Ek Niwas the protestors grew in number. Early in the afternoon members of Ek Niwas became abusive and violent as they spouted inflammatory language, made indecent gestures and hurled missiles at the Sikh sangat who were peacefully stood outside the centre, many of them praying. One Sikh youngster received extensive cuts to his forehead and a further two were injured as a result of violence by Ek Niwas followers. In response to the abuse and attack on the protestors some Sikhs entered Ek Niwas, however upon police intervention quickly departed. Police responded by cordoning off the main Dudley Road, barricaded the protestors off and repulsed any further protestors from arriving or leaving. Due to the violence by Ek Niwas followers, sangat from across Wolverhampton and neighbouring towns began to arrive as word spread of this incident. By late afternoon Sikhs from cities across the country had started to arrive to share the duty of restoring respect to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. They were in preparation to camp there all night if this was the seva Guru Ji had set them. With the growing numbers, which by early evening were amassing several hundred, a resolution was reached and by 9pm senchiyaa of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji returned to Guru Nanak Gurdwara Sedgley St in Wolverhampton and their righteous resting place at the House of the Guru (Gurdwara). Thereupon Guru Ji blessed the Sikh Sangat with the following Hukamnama: http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=2074 Sikhs are a community who are not only tolerant to other faiths but also respect other peoples beliefs. In so doing Sikhs do not have anything against Ek Niwas; nonetheless when the question of respect to our eternal Guru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji arises, Sikhs will not sit aside whilst their Guru is confined to an inappropriate location. Sikhs contend that the Ek Niwas Centre is clearly not a multi-faith centre but a Hindu mandir. Ek Niwas is affiliated to the National Hindu Council which works closely with the World Hindu Council, which does not recognize the existence of Sikhism as a separate religion. Contrary to a truly multi-faith centre, Muslim scriptures are not kept at the centre, the Muslim insignia has been removed from the centre’s gates and the centre lacks both a functional Muslim prayer room and a chapel for Christians to pray in. The centre is seen therefore as deliberately setting out to provoke the sentiments of the Sikh community. Baba Wadbhag Singh Trust Greenford On the same day as the campaign at Ek Niwas in Wolverhampton a simultaneous peaceful protest was held at a centre known as Baba Wadbhag Singh Trust on Greenford Road in Southall. Even though the building is fronted as a Gurdwara contra-Sikh activities were being carried out at this centre. There is a code of conduct which regulates the procedures and practices for the care of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Any environment and practice which violates this code causes disrespect to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. After two hours of discussions some of the congregation of Baba Wadbhag Singh Trust agreed that they were in gross violation of Sikh maryada, and came to agreement that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji would not remain in the premises and would be restored to their rightful place at a Gurdwara. Despite this agreement, one of the occupants pressed the panic alarm as the Sikhs were leaving. The police arrived within minutes and unaware of the agreement stopped the Sikhs from progressing. The lady in charge at the Wadbhag Singh Trust incorrectly told the police that the Sikhs were forcibly taking Guru Ji; the police proceeded to remove the Sikhs from the building who consequently resumed the peaceful protest outside. At Baba Wadbhag Singh Trust, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji were kept in an undignified manner in a room where bras and make-up were found in sachkhand or resting place of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the inner sanctum of any Gurdwara. The sachkand should be mandatorily confined to no other use other than Guru Ji’s resting place. Furthermore, practices being carried out at Baba Wadbhag Singh Trust, including Hindu idols and black magic, as at Ek Niwas are proscribed in the Sikh religion. The environment and circumstances at Wadbhag Singh Trust like Ek Niwas were in contrast to the principles and values of Guru Ji. The violation of code of conduct, disregard and disrespect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji at Baba Wadbhag Singh Trust so distressed the Sikh community that the protestors included many elderly, young, and women picketers, illustrating the impact this disrespect had on the entire Sikh community. The peaceful protest lasted a further 6 hours and negotiations between the police, protestors and the Trust eventually resolved that the 3 saroops of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji were to be restored to their rightful abode at the Gurdwara. An Unacceptable Widespread Problem Sikhs are proud to be British and don’t only talk about values such as tolerance, their history is one of interfaith practice and respect to other religions which is inseparable from their philosophy. They live side by side in harmony with all races and communities. The 9th Sikh Guru became a martyr by giving up his life for the freedom of others to practice a faith he did not aspire to and his predecessors had rebelled against. In spite of the respect Sikhs have for other religions, the fifth Guru the first Sikh martyr gave up his life to uphold the sovereignty of the Sikh faith from external influence and coercion by refusing to alter a passage within the text of Aad Granth Sahib Ji. Therefore disrespect to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is intolerable, and misappropriation of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji deeply hurts the sentiments of the community. Imagine the hurt Christians would feel if the bible was mistreated or the Koran disrespected even though they are commonly referred to as books and adherents as people of the book. The hurt may be similar to the sacred offering by non-Christians of holy sacrament bread and wine as representation of the body of Christ or Eucharist. However, for a Sikh the hurt is incomparable as not only are Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji the literal Word of Sikh Gurus and the eternal textual embodiment of the previous Gurus, they have been bequeathed as the living 11th Guru and therefore are not remotely comparable to the description of book or scripture. The incidents of the past weekend illustrate that disrespect to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is both an unacceptable and widespread problem. If the issue of respect to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is not adhered to, then Sikhs will have no option but to continue to raise their voice and deal with the problem in a positive manner. The responsibility to ensure respect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji must lie therefore foremost with the Sikh community. As in all faiths, the Sikh community needs regulations and safeguards to ensure that Sikh sentiments are not willfully offended by the continuous encroachment of their good nature. In a similar manner to other organized religions, Sikhs need to establish a centrally administered system to ensure compliance and monitoring of Sikh practices and regulation of Sikh centers. This is imperative to both scrutinize standards and to keep in check the ability of individuals to exploit some of the most vulnerable members of society by using Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to gain credibility for their unSikh practices.

I cannot believe no-one even batted an eye-lid at this. http://www.sikhsangat.org/publish/article_1417.shtml Are the Singhs in Punjab SLEEPING? Surely it should be found who this officer is, and reported!!!!

What a joke we have become. How can we justify Gursikh Speed Dating. We have become such a irresponsible and immoral quam. We will justify anything now. Where is our ankh and izzat gone?

I am just shocked to hear Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is kept in a enclosed cabinet. Guru Ji kirpa karan.

Definately, the whole point of a camp is to give the individual a chance to experience the daily routine of a Sikh. This should be a strict thing as we are not on a holiday. Fun can be had through the activities. Any camper who is disciplined should be brought to the attention of all sevadaars. Rules set out should be adhered to strictly. I was once at a camp where the opening speech when they read out the rules the paji said boys and girls should not be allowed to speak. At the time I thought that is a bit harsh but then as the camp went on I realised why it was important to set out that marker early on, if you give a kid an inch he will take a yard.

They wake peoples dead souls up. Lets younger Sikhs have sangat of Older brothers and sisters. They get a chance to experience Sikhi. Such as Amritvela, nitnem, seva, kirtan.

Its good to see so much new sangat taking interest in beadbi.

lol its easier said than done, i think she was only asking about it, and maybe not intending to lead a campaign by herself. Veer Ji a khalsa does not accept defeat so easy. Lets not think so negative. We can do it. And yes it is easier said than done but we are all in it together. Thats why I said let us know how we can help. I was being proactive unlike some it seems.

There was me thinking she was concerned

If this occurs then this is a beadbi. Have locals approached the organising committee? penji have you spoken to anyone about this issue? penji seeing as you have raised it maybe you could take charge of this. let us know and keep us all updated and the sangat will support you. let us know how we can help. this is not the only beadbi unfortunately, there are many more, we need to keep working.

sikhs really are sleeping

This is the same man who said he could not go back into watford Gurdwara as he will get beat up..lol