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Waheguru ji ka khalsa..waheguru jee kee fateh.. Sangat ji I have some concerns regarding our social lives.. Some kathas and sants talk about being alone is good and then I think about this Ghrist Jeevan. Sometimes we have to sit with a group of people who are talking in general and then end up gossiping and criticizing others. I know it is wrong and when I tell them as a joke that we should gossip less, I get the answers back like oh this is the reality..this is how people are.. we are just telling the truth.. So I have few questions in my mind.. First of all.. When someone call himself/herself spiritual.. can they still be rude? Can they still insult you in front of others to prove you wrong? Can they still criticize( commenting on others' upbringing) ? What I understood..that once your heart is pure..you actions are simply sweet.. but then these days..everyone goes..oh be careful from those who are sweet talkers.. those who are little rude..they have good hearts.. My second question and really important for me to know is if I sit with someone(elders.....from family) who talks bad about anyone or gossip.. will it effect my karams too? What to do when you have no choice? Sometimes, they complain and expect you to get involved .. anytime I don't answer, I get to hear oh I am not being respectful..I am being ignorant...especially in the family..it is really hard... Please advice how to handle this situation.. Waheguru JI

Sat Sri Akal, Thanks a lot for the advice. I feel better knowing it is normal to fall asleep.. It is a good idea to get up and walk around.. I will try that.. so far I was just opening my eyes and looking around...then closing again to continue Simran.. I will start with a small walk.. I am doing 15-20 mins so far.. You are right.. forcing anything won't really work.. Hopefully I will be able to do longer than 20 mins soon.. Waheguru......

Sat Sri Akal Singh Veer ji.. I am so grateful for this post of yours.. You have explained it so well.. I listen to Sant Maskeen ji on regular basis.. Sant Maskeen ji made it so clear about Naam Simran.. ''Rasna Naam Jappy.. Mann Suney...'' I am not even a proper beginner of this spiritual journey as I dont get up early for naam simran.. but I try to listen Kirtan and Kathas during the day .. Of course it is not enough... Few days back..I posted about how I fall asleep while doing naam simran.. I feel sad about it but I am thankful to have sangat ji here who was encouraging me to continue and with Guru ji's Kirpa, it will get better... Today after reading this post, I feel Guru ji's kirpa.. It is inspiring to read these posts and try harder to go further.. Veer ji, kindly keep posting these posts for people like me who need this motivation everyday.. Singh ji, you have explained very well..how our mind will start chanting waheguru 24/7.. Whoever’s mantar or shabad you jap, it will take you to that person’s level. Guru Nanak’s level is the point between the eyebrows, where the power is sarab kalaa samrath. This point is a gateway to the spiritual world. Through here you can experience god while your body remains conscious and aware of its surroundings. This is incredibly special blessing anyone who does simran can recieve. When this kirpa happens one no longer needs to sit and do Simran, their Simran is 24/7 happening inside. Reading these lines was so helpful to motivate me for trying harder.. Waheguru mehar karey.. so we all can reach at that point..I am looking forward for more posts to guide me further.. Thanks a lot Veer ji

Thanks a lot Veer ji.. Guru Sahib ji's Kirpa is all that we need ?

Shahhed4life ji.. I appreciate your prompt reply.... I used to do that for many months but after listening kathas and more about Simran..Japp.. They all say that I should hear the sound of Waheguru while I recite it.. ''Rasna Naam Jappy tey Mann suney'' by Sant Maskeen ji.. So I really wanted to do that but I feel sad knowing that I am not doing it right.. that is why I am falling asleep pretty much all the times..

Thank you.

I wonder that too..really good question..

I feel the same.. early morning..afternoon or evening...anytime I try to do Simran...I fell asleep and dreaming

Thank you very much for the beautiful explanation.. It helps a lot for someone like me who is taking every sound so seriously and not moving forward. Waheguru ji ka Khalsa.. Waheguru ji kee Fateh

Well said...strong points..

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I agree with learning Kaur.. this is just a play.. Once I was listening to Sant Maskeen ji's katha in which he was talking about this infinite life and changing forms. We had many lives before this life...many partners.. Aisey ghar hum bahut vasayey.. Now it is time to understand that this all is temporary.. At the end, it is not about others.. It is about you and Waheguru.. Time to attach ourselves with Naam Simran and that will automatically detach us from all kind of worries and anxieties.. I understand it bothers a lot and I have been through this.. I used to get up in the morning with anxieties..having sleepless nights and worrying so much about the future. It is getting better with naam simran.. it is the only way to find our inner peace.. We will always have some issues in life anyway..We can't leave everything..we can't stop living.. Naam Simran is there to guide us...to handle these issues gracefully.. It definitely made me stronger, patient and humble.. I am grateful.. Eh vee Daat teri Dataar.. And talking about partner's character.. nobody likes to take orders.. She won't simply do it because you think it is right or wrong.. You just need to live your life right and eventually she will see how it benefits you... she will understand about right and wrong when she will see you in peace and joyful.. and it is just a hope that she will learn soon...again please don't get attached to it so much... We get so attached with our partners and completely forget about our actual purpose.. I still get those anxiety attacks and it is not that easy.. but one reminder is all we need that Waheguru was there with us...Waheguru is within us and will always be there for us WAHEGURU

I used to hear some sounds like 10 years back when I was simply doing path..Sukhmani sahib or Japji Sahib... It was a new house actually and the area was not that developed in the neighborhood..I used to hear sounds downstairs as if someone is opening and closing our kitchen drawers.. it was scary and then I used to think maybe it is our neighbor's house but it was pretty clear it was coming from downstairs.. I asked my mom but she said she had no clue wht I am talking about.. It happened many times.. Few months later..we sold that house coz we were moving to other province but I still remember that sound was scary and I never thought it has to do anything with my spiritual journey.. I never heard that sound after.. but one thing is for sure that time I was not so much into understanding things behind everything we do.. I was simply doing it because I used to feel good after doing paath.. Now I am always waiting for something to feel..to hear..I try not to but it happens automatically that I am trying to see some magic.. but I don't feel or hear things at this point..

Very well said.. Forget about being spiritual, first be a good human.. END OF DISCUSSION. Sat Sri Akal..

FAIR ENOUGH

We can get all the answers and wisdom from Guru Granth Sahib Ji ..just we need to focus on that one and only one Waheguru.. Please do not waste your precious time on deciding what path to choose.. Just stick to Baani rather than wasting time on changing paths.. Waheguru will take care of the rest BANI GURU, GURU HAI BANI.. VICH BANI AMRIT SAAREY...WAHGEURU..

i dont even think you CAN secure the langar area...it would be wrong to deny any amritdhari sikh to help out in the langar, so you cant just ban people from coming in, in the past people prob. rely on the fact that people entering the Golden Temple, and knowing about langar, and where its served will be sikhs. Most sikhs wont dress up as amritdhari sikhs just to get into the langar hall b/c it would be considered paap. but now with this new issue, theres really no way (in my mind) that you can prevent people from going in the langar hall. its all guru di kirpa.

i dont think we have to worry about punishing them, waheguru will take care of that for us. "hum nahi changay, bura nahi koe"

so true... my grandfather told me that he once met Bhai Sahib Bhai Randheer Singh Ji, and he came to my grandfather and said good beta [he was doing seva] and to this day, my grandfather says that was the most amazing thing in his life. Bhai Sahib Bhai Randheer Singh Ji's face was so full of love and devotion, and my grandfather couldnt really explain it to me, but he was telling me how there was a sort of glow or something.

sure mkhalsa veerji.. =) sikhforlife: no major case updates yet, but like i said before, the lady isnt allowed to go onto school property now, unless she doesnt wear her kirpan. authorities are saying if she comes near the school grounds it needs to be under her clothes. which makes no sense, b/c there main arguement is that its a hidden weapon, so putting it underneath clothes is just gonna hide it. here is going to be another meeting with cartaret officials soon in the coming weeks, my dad and i as well as some people from Bridgewater Gw, Glenrock Gw (?! maybe?) and Cartaret will be attending. when i find out i'll let you know....

*cringe* although im upset when i cant wear my kirpan on planes...i totally agree with MKhalsa veerji, posting on a public forum about how to get past security detectors, isnt smart....plus sikhs are already thought of as evil and whatnot....and as a sidenote for the kirpan issue. this is really serious--a lady in cartaret nj drops her child off at school everyday, and she wears her kirpan, and now the school district has said "no firearms" within school property...so there telling her that she cant wear her kirpan, if so do it under her clothing, and currently have said that she cant come within 50 yards of school property!!!! @ @ so anyways sikhs living in cartaret as well as other people as well as sikhcoalition (i think there on this...not too sure) are trying to fight the school and everything. but its crazy. my dad met with some of the people who were involved, and he said it was horrible, b/c now shes being degraded, and its so racist. plus think of her child, im gonna assume this is a elementary or a middle school child, (b/c usually parents dont drop off their ki ds at high school)think of all that they have to go through, b/c kids in schools can be so harsh, and its sad that a mom cant drop her child off at school b/c of the religion she practices....

okay first of all...i was reading the site...and although we already established this, its so messed up...it has so many contradictions, i was going crazy. but what scared me is that, i know that all that information is wrong, and its false, and not to listen or pay attention to it, and just pray to waheguru that they get some sense. BUT, people who want to learn about sikhi, [white ppl, etc] DONT KNOW THAT! they would consider a site called sikh- heritage as realiable...and all their information to learn about sikhi, will come from a messed up site that protrays sikhi totally wrong. as bhanjee said before, we should have a page with anti-gurmat sites....and going along with this, maybe talk to ppl at sikhnet.com, or sikh.net [cuz those are the first 2 sites that pop up when searching "sikh" at google...] and have them make a page that says anti-gurmat sites or something...b/c the chances of a white person visiting a forum like this and realizing that site is messed up is very slim, the chance of them visiting a site like sikh-heritage is relatively higher, and almost eveyone will go to sikhnet.com first, so if we could talk to them about making a page saying something like "not credible sources about sikhism" or something like that. and about the whole lawsuit thing, they cant press charges for slander or libel, b/c there the one who are changing the sikh religion, and the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, so if anything, if we go to court over that, we'll win, b/c we have the Sri Guru Granth Sahib to prove that they are saying wrong things, moreover we'll have the rehat maryada, and the the sikh congregation to back it up. you dont need more evidence or proof. if it happens, we'll be abl e to discredit them on a legal standard, which if anyone reads about it in the paper, will set up the differences between sikhi and whatever there doing...but i dont think it'll even get that far, b/c you have to have a lot of nerves (and a lot of stupidity) to charge someone for commiting a crime that your commiting. [if that made sense... :T: ]

thank you veerji [s1NGH]

also, torture scenes and gory scenes remind us of all thats happened, and how many people have given their lives to the gurus, and that will probably inspire people more--that people during the gurus time, during 1984, and even today, are willing to give their lives to their guru. thats probably more inspiring than pictures that are just very pretty-looking, but dont really protray the gurus as they lived in history....just my thoughts...