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Have no idea who that is. So, basically, you're saying you like it. OK, fine. But what does that have to do with whether a Sikh should have to "do bani"? Why should a Sikh "do bani"? Also, there are plenty of things that you personally could like or that make you think, including Shakespeare, the Bible, the Bhagwad Gita, Plato, etc. Again, what's special about Gurbani?

And that day will be averted by people who are concerned for the Panth and take steps to stop it. If we don't, then that day will come. No one even used the word Punjabi. We were using the word Sikh. You're talking like there's just a supply of women you can just go and buy at Tesco, and then when you bring them home, you can adjust the settings like on a TV to change the religion to "Sikh". Exactly, bro! That's what @AjeetSinghPunjabi and I are talking about. You talk about the issue, raise awareness, and tell people (like girls) about the greatness of Sikhism, and you avert the problem. Why would you want to stand in the way of this and say "There's no problem!"? Also, if we can tell other people "the greatness of Sikhism", why can't we tell our own girls?

Already answered Oh, sorry, I don't think I got the notification for that, for some reason. Anyway, now we can continue the discussion: But why "bani", specifically? Why is that that Gurbani gives us "better perspective of how we should live our lives, how we see ourselves, and others... and How we see God.... and to know what is false, and what is good." What's special about Gurbani?

I agree with your second statement, on a personal basis (for a single guy looking for a girl to marry). What I'm exploring is why you don't think it would be a problem if every single girl in the Panth wants to marry a mona. I'm not getting into monas are better/worse than kesadhari. I'm just saying if every girl wants to marry a non-practicing Sikh in regards to hair, then next is simply that their daughters will likely not even bother with marrying a mona Sikh. They'll just marry whoever. And that's the end of the Panth.

No problem, I'm already on board for "doing bani everyday". The videos you posted are actually great, and will come in handy for a lot of people reading this thread. I might have a listen sometime later.

Thanks for the videos. My point was to ask @Amit12 to answer why he thinks a person needs to "do bani everyday".

its okay, he probably said that in some other sense XD Thanks for the backup, man. But what I wanted was for you to answer the question in your own words. So, again, what do you think is the reason you need to "do bani everyday"?

Please tell me why it is that a person has to brush their teeth / shower / eat / poop / sleep every day ? I think you misunderstood where I was going with the question, bro. He was asking whether "a mona can be a better Sikh than a turbanned guy". So I just asked him to clarify why in the world it is that he thinks a person has to do bani every day. Merely by answering this question, he would have answered his own question.

Lol why you so insecure about what girls think. @puzzled: Username checks out. Your statement would have been appropriate if this were another one of those threads where some guy is crying about his ability to attract a girl. @AjeetSinghPunjabi made a simple statement: What's the future of the Panth if it's girls don't want to marry practicing Sikhs? It's simply weird for you that turn that around and accuse him of being "insecure". Do you care for the future of the Panth or not? If not, end of discussion. If you do, then why in the world would you think it's a problem for a person to discuss potential dangers to the Panth?

Who is "you" in your statement? Also, please respond to my question to you above.

Well, if you're reading Gurbani now due to having read the book, that's great. Because if you read Gurbani, you'll automatically stop believing Devinder Singh Chahal's baseless statements.

Great seva, bro. I salute you. Keep posting more info in this thread. Could you please post references? It's one thing to say this stuff among ourselves, but if you have to defend yourself (like Jagraj Singh did that in that BBC talk show), you have to cite your sources.

No, don't try that (for people reading). No wonder you have such messed up views, bro. Devinder Singh Chahal is basically an atheist with a beard who likes to read Gurbani and spout idiocy. "Nanakian Philosophy" is compendium of his rantings.

Agreed fully.

Thanks for posting this. Now, this is not your fault, but I want to know why it is that every PDF by Sikh Book Club is blurry? Do they purposely degrade the resolution of the PDFs? Why?? Can somebody from SBC answer? Or get a message to them?

And what religion (colonial era religion) was that, bro? Call it Hindu-ism or Hindu matt (ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮਤ), what does it matter? Just wondering, how do you define "ism", and how do you define matt? Is that what you think? What do you think Guru Nanak Dev ji is referring to when they say that the Hindus are erring from the start: ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮੂਲੇ ਭੂਲੇ ਅਖੁਟੀ ਜਾਂਹੀ ॥ Link I would agree with you that Hindu means "Indian" in some contexts, but I disagree that it means Indian in all contexts. Later, Guru ji references specific religious practices in the shabad: ਪਾਥਰੁ ਲੇ ਪੂਜਹਿ ਮੁਗਧ ਗਵਾਰ ॥ (The fools took stones and worshipped them.) By mentioning a specific religious practice, it is made clear what Guru ji is referring to. By contrast using the word Hindu as in Babur invaded and killed the Hindus can certainly mean Indian.

Quite amazing that he admitted that to you. He's probably an urban type who looks down on such rabble (and in his heart of hearts probably regrets he was born a Muslim). Anyways, humans are full of dirty thoughts. The whole point behind societal rules and norms like what we're discussing here is to prevent those kinds of thoughts from occurring, or if they do, from you acting out on them.

Yeah, exactly it. His audience used to be the humble, somewhat illiterate folks of the villages. They would go see his divans in tractor-trailers. Now you've got the spectacle of these poor people plus amritdharis with kirpans on sitting there listening him to say there's no God, and the Guru is only a means (zaria).

Well, I don't think the question about hair is bad in any way. Regarding wearing a sword, well, that's what Sikhs are supposed to wear, so I don't think people are wrong in asking that. About alcohol, our people, stupid as they are, are responsible for that stereotype. It's amazing that people are amazed that there are Sikhs who don't drink. I think one big stereotype that a lot of people will agree with is many people think we are Muslims. But that's our fault, too, because the major Sikh organizations don't have the guts to simply state "We are not Muslims". After the Wisconsin gurdwara shooting, national TV media were interviewing young (English-fluent) Sikh advocacy organization members, and the guy, instead of saying "We're not Muslims" just said "We don't support the Taliban." Which makes it seem like we're Muslims, but just moderate ones that don't support the Taliban.

First of all, this guy (Dhadrianwale) has now stooped to the level of calling Dhan Dhan Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj by simply their first name? Nanak? I wonder how he would feel if he were in either a debate and the opposing Singh just called him "Ranjit". Or even a friendly interview and some 20-year old said to him, "Hi, Ranjit". Or one of his chelas that he employs said "SSA, Ranjit". He probably fly off the handle and get red hot mad. No problem calling Satguru just "Nanak", though. Secondly, Dhadrianwale used to have a fig leaf of cover by saying one line of Gurbani, and then singing a Punjabi translation. Which is fine, I guess. Now he's just making stuff up. Third, note what he says: He's saying that "Nanak, seeing God imprisoned within temples, became a wandering mendicant (fakir)". What Dhadrianwale is setting up his followers for is to start thinking of Gurdwaras like the old mandirs, and that if you want to find God, don't go to Gurdwaras. That's the end game. Wake up, people.

Are you wacked or something? You think people just sit around in Punjab? Maybe in other states. People are either living in the village (in which case they are farmers or other traditional occupations) or they live in the city and have either a job or a business. Yeah, you need so much energy to sit on a couch and watch TV. And moving around (in an air-conditioned vehicle).

Please tell me why it is that a person has to "do bani everyday"?

You've become a coconut. Get your head out of the sand and lose your "Blue Lagoon" fantasies. (A movie where two cousins are stranded on an island and end up getting physical.) Also, please don't quote lines like that in relation to this topic. The line you quoted says Gobind (God) is in all. I could ask you whether Gobind is in you (Yes), and also in your sister (not bhua di kuri, but the daughter of your father and mother). The answer, also, is Yes. So why can't you marry your sister? Go ahead and struggle to explain.

1000 miles? Doesn't matter. "perfect match" ? You're confused about what marriage is. You're not meant to marry someone who is exactly like you. You're meant to marry someone who is your complement. That, by definition, means someone who is opposite to you in many ways. Physically, you're meant to marry someone of the opposite sex. Also one who is far away genetically. We practice exogamous marriage, the highest and best form of marriage. Societally, we don't marry the daughters of our clan. You don't understand because you're a teenage male. Think about it. If you were a girl, and you happened to meet someone from your clan, say while travelling, you instantly have a brother that you can ask for a help or whatever. If, however, we go according to what you say, then that means you will have the hots for her, and, quite obviously, she can't trust you that you don't have bad intentions (like sc#rewing her), so she can never see you as a brother. Our society is set up this way so women can have the help of tens (or hundreds) of brothers because life is rough for females. Mr. Amit12, however, would destroy this simply so he can marry one of his sisters. Think bro. Also: You're not thinking this far ahead, but what would you want for your daughter: For her to be able to count on tens or hundreds of brothers, or for to be able to marry one of them?

Exactly. Thanks! There's no such thing as "cousin marriage" in our society. There's plenty of stuff the Europeans or other societies have done better than us. But this is one where we excel over them. It's only when the Muslims invaded Punjab that some Punjabis (who became Muslims) started to marry their sisters (sick). They are so depraved they'll even marry their chache di kuri that lives in the same house as them!