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Well, if you're referring to a rehitnama such as Bhai Nand Lal ji which says to do "Jap Jaap" in the morning, I think it would be a very bad idea to interpret that as meaning you don't have to do the other banis. When in bani it talks of "Kam Krodh" are bad, does that mean Lobh Moh Hankar are good? These are banis promoted by the SGPC as Nitnem banis. I would disagree with you about "most Sikhs". In my experience the vast majority of Sikhs who do Nitnem, do all 5 banis in the morning. Only a few hardcore missionary types stick to doing 3 banis. Most of the people who loudly insist there are only 3 banis in the morning, never actually recite those 3 banis in the morning. I've never seen a gurdwara that doesn't do 5 Nitnem banis in the morning. Consequently, those Sikhs who do Nitnem, do 5 banis. Someone explained the need to do 5 banis in the following way: It is accepted by all that Amrit has to be prepared with banis memorized (you can't use a gutka). (If you disagree with that, say so.) So, if the Chaupai and Anand Sahib have to be said during the Amrit ceremony, it's obvious that you should recite it every day, that's the only way to have it memorized. Also, if Guru Sahib found these 5 banis to be of such a level that it was these specific banis that they chose to create Amrit, then Sikhs would automatically assume that those banis would be beneficial to recite every day, too, not just the day of the Amrit ceremony. Which, again, is the reason the vast majority of Sikhs do recite them. Finally, it is the SGPC that promotes 3 banis in the morning. It is said that the Akal Takhat clarified in a Hukumnamma on 28 Apr 1985 that Sikhs should continue to do the 5 banis that they had been. But back to the point which is the question asked by the OP, I think it's an extremely bad idea to encourage new Sikhs to only do 3 banis. To the OP, you probably don't have enough of a background to judge whether it should be 3 or 5 banis. But you should know that if you do 2 less, you'll be in default of the Guru. If you're doing 2 "extra", you won't be punished for that.

It's not bull, bro, it's good advice. People are too fast to take Amrit, they should take their time: ਦਹ ਦਿਸਿ ਸਾਖ ਹਰੀ ਹਰੀਆਵਲ ਸਹਜਿ ਪਕੈ ਸੋ ਮੀਠਾ ॥ Dheh Dhis Saakh Haree Hareeaaval Sehaj Pakai So Meethaa || In all ten directions, the branches are green and alive. That which ripens slowly, is sweet. ਤੁਖਾਰੀ ਬਾਰਹਮਾਹਾ (ਮਃ ੧) ਛੰਤ (੧੧):੫ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੧੦੯ ਪੰ. ੧ Raag Tukhaari Guru Nanak Dev It's great that you took only 2 months, but we're talking about giving advice to random people. Most of them will be better off taking more time.

I'm glad that you're bringing up topics challenging the jihadis. Hope you keep it up. Well, first of all, as an observation, I would like to share that Maskeen ji once remarked that it's quite strange that all the stuff that's considered haram on Earth, like drinking alcohol and scr*wing like crazy all day is exactly what is considered your reward in "paradise". Maskeen ji took a dim view of that. How much more sublime the concept of Suchkhand is, where the saints sing the praises of God. Secondly, you know how in some martial arts you don't try to directly oppose the opponent's blow? I would take a similar tack in that I wouldn't bother even getting into refuting their garbage. Rather I would bring up the good and unique parts of Sikhism, like bhagti. There's no bhagti in Islam, as it is commonly understood. And without bhagti, life is dry and meaningless.

OK, if that's how you want to define grooming, I will agree with you that he would be grooming the women. It's quite detestable how these people do these sorts of things.

The jihadis have an obsession with either converting Sikhs or pretending to convert Sikhs. The reason is they see us as a threat. We're a religion that comes after Islam. That in itself makes us a target, because supposedly Mohammed is the "seal" of the Prophets, and anybody that comes after him is automatically false. Second, we don't have the problems that a lot of other religions do. No idol worship like Hinduism. No spate of apparent contradictions like in Christianity's creation account. No doctrine of killing non-believers for being non-believers, like Islam. Third, we are highly visible. It's one thing for a Hindu or a Christian to just be walking around. You can't recognize the devout from the non-devout. But it burns them to see a sabat-surat Sikh proudly wearing a turban and kes. Fourth, they hate us for our freedoms. The Gurus banned face veils for Bibis in sangat. The Gurus not only allowed, but also encouraged the use of music in worship. Would you rather listen to a lecture or listen to enchanting keertan? They're jealous and that's why they hate us. Fifth, Guru Gobind Singh ji taught us to be firm like a rock against jihad. Guru Sahib told us not to eat Halal under any circumstance. Halal functions as the spear's edge in Islamic takeover of a society. Guru Sahib taught us not to dishonor our bodies with circumcision. Guru Sahib told us to wear a turban and hold our head high.

While it's not possible to match up every aspect of Sikhism to Lanza, I do think he's on to something when saying that consciousness created the universe. Daniel Dennett and Richard Dawkins are wrong to say that matter created consciousness, or that consciousness doesn't really exist, it's just an illusion.

That is true, but that's not what she is asking. She is asking if a kachi may be worn in addition to a kachera. That would be like if you had wound on your forehead, and wore a bandage on it, and then tied a turban over it. Good advice. It's OK to the extent that you haven't acted out on those feelings, and have kept them confined to your mind, which is where they should remain. You should not given encouragement to you mind to increase such feelings. It'll lead you astray. You would be well advised to clear your head before you seek Amrit. Also read this thread on Dating and Sikhism: Can you not understand Punjabi? If not, how can you read Bani? If you can't read Bani, how can you do Nitnem, meaningfully? You might want to learn Punjabi/Gurmukhi, learn to read Gurbani, before you ask for Amrit. Banis? In the morning: Japji Sahib Jaap Sahib Sawayay (Sravag Sudh) Chaupai Anand Sahib Evening: Rehras Night: Kirtan Sohila Sometimes people say to do less, but you should still do these, and the vast majority of Amritdharis do do so. If you're confused about this, post again.

Ah, yes, thanks for pointing that out. If he raped somebody, then, yes call the police. But if it's just "some man had sex with my sister", that's not something the police can do anything about. Only the OP knows the exact situation, but I'm puzzled as to why OP would say "There are indications (proof) of a Sikh man in the UK who is involved in emotional, sexual grooming with women from India." First of all, indications is far away from proof. If you have proof, you have proof. If you have indications, you then begin the process of finding proof, or falsifying the assumption. Secondly, to speak of "emotional, sexual grooming" and then speak of sexual violence also seems puzzling. Did the man and the woman (women?) start a sexually charged long-distance relationship, and then the man proceeded to rape her? For most of these sexual long-distance relationship, the women are more than willing to give themselves up voluntarily, as can be seen in the Kiran Bala situation. No need to rape at all. Now, granted, Kiran Bala is a fool, but we have many fools like her among us. There's also another type of fool among us: The one who starts a sexual flirtation, consumates with actual sex, then gets frightened at the consequences or someone finds out, and she yells, Rape! I hope this is not that.

Usually the term grooming is applied to gradually putting the notion into an underaged girl's mind that she would like to have a sexual relationship with a fully grown man. In the case of a fully grown woman, that's not "grooming", it's dating! Now, I agree that dating is not Gurmat, in fact I wrote a whole post about that here: However, you can't "report" dating to the authorities. It's not illegal. What are you going to say? So-and-so is flirting with some woman? They'll laugh you out of the police station.

Good to know. So you're just reading the Gurmukhi along with the transliteration? I recommend learning with a systematic approach as well. Google "muharni Damdami Taksal". Good luck.

BTW, do you know how to read, write, and speak Punjabi? (Which of those?) If so, where did you learn it?

On the one hand, you think you're more intelligent than all the other Sikhs out there. And on the other hand, your intelligence can only allow you to throw up an epithet like idi ot? If you have something to say, then say it. By refuting his statement. Otherwise, you're just showing yourself to be the "ijit".

What is sikhbooks?

You have the freedom of speech in the UK ... to say anything the government allows you to say. Nobody is allowed to question the cancer-industrial complex: First you eat all sorts of processed foods and meats, there are all sorts of chemicals in the environment, then you get cancer, and finally you have to undergo lengthy and expensive (to the taxpayer) treatments.

I guessed that free must mean useless, but it looks like it's legit and @FreshMind13 is on to something. https://letsencrypt.org/ is backed by major corporations like Cisco and Mozilla.

That's great! Now the NSA won't be able to spy on what people post on this forum. (For those that don't know, the NSA--and likely every other intelligence agency--scoops up and records everything that you do on the Internet. Everything insecure, that is--http vs https.)

No, I am not saying that, but I am just saying we should pay attention and pray to god, that's it. Well of course we should pray to God. But I'm trying to work out what you would do and not do. Just like you posted that you don't like bowing to pictures and I agreed with you. And you also posted you don't like that your father walks around Guru Granth Sahib. Posting what your position is allows us to have conversation. So please just answer the questions, and tell us what you would do and what you wouldn't out of matha teking, touching feet, and washing feet.

Well, I guess no. OK, so what part of that do you object to? If you're OK with matha teking to Guru Granth Sahib, I presume you would be OK with matha teking to Guru Nanak Dev ji. But you object to touching Guru Sahib's feet with your hands? Afraid of germs, are we? You would also object to washing Guru Sahib's feet? And this is based, again, on your own personal preferences?

Very funny. At times, it was hard to tell if it was a parody or real. I'm sure we'll be having zebra-giraffe cross-breed "anand karajs" in Gurdwaras soon, given present trends.

Because we are not attached to NAAM. Anything devoid of NAAM is Maya. Simple. Basically correct. But it should be noted that Naam is granted by the Guru: ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਦਾਤਾ ਕੋ ਨਹੀ ਜੋ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਦੇਇ ਆਧਾਰੁ ॥ Bin Sathigur Dhaathaa Ko Nehee Jo Har Naam Dhaee Aadhhaar || Without the True Guru, there is no giver who can bestow the Support of the Lord's Name. ਸਲੋਕ ਵਾਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਵਧੀਕ (ਮਃ ੩) (੩੫):੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੪੧੭ ਪੰ. ੫ Salok Vaaraan and Vadheek Guru Amar Das The very next line states that Naam is found via the grace of the Guru: ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਤੇ ਨਾਉ ਮਨਿ ਵਸੈ ਸਦਾ ਰਹੈ ਉਰਿ ਧਾਰਿ ॥ Gur Kirapaa Thae Naao Man Vasai Sadhaa Rehai Our Dhhaar || By Guru's Grace, the Name comes to dwell in the mind; keep it enshrined in your heart. So how to get grace? Worship (puja) the Guru via loving devotion (bhagti). So, some of the stuff the OP is talking about is not "ritualism", rather it is worship, which Gurbani says to do: ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰੁ ਪੂਜੀਐ ਮਨਿ ਤਨਿ ਲਾਇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ Gur Paramaesur Poojeeai Man Than Laae Piaar || Worship the Guru, the Transcendent Lord, with your mind and body attuned to love.

OK, thanks for the answer. Please also answer the question I gave above about if Guru Nanak Dev ji were to suddenly manifest in front of you (or you were to be transported to the 1500s) would you touch Guru Sahib's feet, matha tek, and wash Guru Sahib's feet?

This, while unfortunate, is a predictable consequence of Angela Merkel's idiotic invitation to a million mostly fake refugees to come to Europe per year. If that wasn't enough, Europe is welcoming former ISIS jihadis back with open arms, and giving them welfare benefits! Sweden is giving them free housing and benefits. In such an environment, it would be surprising if all Europeans were not getting angry at Muslims. Of course (unfortunately) a lot of people mistake us for Muslims, so we're getting the brunt of their anger. By the way, I would ask you consider what we would feel if the government of India were to invite a half million Muslims from either Pakistan or maybe Africa to come and settle in Punjab, and then we have to pay for them. I dare say that people would be looking angrily towards all black people, even if they were there legally attending college.

I'm not saying that this didn't happen, but I'm pretty sure you read this somewhere instead of directly downloading it to your brain, so why don't you share a link? Also, if you saw a video of a Muslim woman being bullied, how does that mean Sikhs are being harassed? I'm not saying no Sikh has ever been harassed in Europe. I'm saying that doesn't follow from your statement.

Oh, you mean, when someone types in "Sikh" on to iTunes or Google Play, Sikhsangat will come up? Yeah, in that sense, it might be good, and bring in a bunch of new people. Otherwise, I think it would be superfluous.

They didn't have to be reborn, bro. (I not not even necessarily accepting the narrative that they were bhagats in previous lives, but still.) If they were reborn bhagats, there's nothing doctrinally wrong with that. ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਦੁਹਹੂ ਮਹਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਜਨ ਪਰਉਪਕਾਰੀ ਆਏ ॥ Janam Maran Dhuhehoo Mehi Naahee Jan Paroupakaaree Aaeae || Those generous, humble beings are above both birth and death. ਜੀਅ ਦਾਨੁ ਦੇ ਭਗਤੀ ਲਾਇਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਲੈਨਿ ਮਿਲਾਏ ॥੨॥ Jeea Dhaan Dhae Bhagathee Laaein Har Sio Lain Milaaeae ||2|| They give the gift of the soul, and practice devotional worship; they inspire others to meet the Lord. ||2|| ਸੂਹੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੫੪) ੨:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੪੯ ਪੰ. ੩ Raag Suhi Guru Arjan Dev They come to Earth as parupkar (helping others). They don't come because they have to. Read the entire shabad. It pertains to saints. The saints can easily come and go: ਐਸਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਜੇ ਮਿਲੈ ਤੁਠਾ ਕਰੇ ਪਸਾਉ ॥ Aisa Sathigur Jae Milai Thutha Karae Pasao || If one meets such a True Guru, by His Pleasure, He shows His Mercy. ਮੁਕਤਿ ਦੁਆਰਾ ਮੋਕਲਾ ਸਹਜੇ ਆਵਉ ਜਾਉ ॥੧॥ Mukath Dhuara Mokala Sehajae Avo Jao ||1|| Then, the gate of liberation becomes wide open, and the soul can easily come and go. ||1|| p477 Raag Goojree Guru Amar Das I guess I can sort of see how you might think it to be denigration of the bhagats, but how is it denigration of the Punj Piyare? Are you saying that the Punj Piyare were never born before?