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Wait a desi party?!! Ill bring my drunken friends to start a fight, no desi party is complete without the fight!

LOL I was thinking is it THE Bilja Singh who wrote this or someone with the same name? No worries I never think you try attacking me, questions are meant to be answered! Maybe Im somewhere in between Bilja? Maybe I want to find a sturdy foundation before I lay the bricks of choice? I would never think that, since someone may not agree with me I shouldnt explain my views to them. If someone wants to know about the movement shouldnt you help them understand? If someone wasnt Sikh and asked questions about Sikhi, with no intent of converting, would we blow them off and tell them "Ill only explain my religion if your thinking of converting"? Another question (If your willing to answer) is do you still stand by what you wrote four years ago, or has your stance differed? Im really interested in what would happen if a Khalistan did come into exsistence since that is my home there as well, I have family in Punjab just like you, so I would be greately affected by a new Government, and I would like to know how it plans to run, I think thats reason enough for someone to take the time to explain it, right? "Now, if I don't know what it takes to run a country then shouldn't I study how other countries run? Shouldn't I study their policies, constitutions etc? Hopefully, you understand my point." Lets pick a country and study it then? Who is worthy enough for us to model our Government after? This post I made is serious to, and no worry say what you want Brother, when a topic is heated enough it makes it worth debating, and during heated debated, heated words are exchanged. but at the end of the day I have love for you just like I got love for everyone else :lol:

That sucks! We should have it on a scale of Five, for those like me who have big mouths!

the writers should of got their facts straight on the singhs, id recomend the writers do a bit of research about sant ji and the singhs before putin their opinions across. Do you think they whr heros? 139972[/snapback] I actually Have Sant Ji as my wallpaper! I would of loved to meet him, and touch his feet, I consider him a Great Hero, yes.

That wasnt very Helpful at all actually, it still pinned its hopes on just hopes. Some of the things it said just didnt make sense "Well, how did India and Pakistan survive after independence? These two countries' economy is going down everyday and yet they are surviving. UAE gained its independence in 1971 and it is surviving. Same way Khalistan will survive but it will not be a third world country because Sikhs are very hard working people. Punjab is a cultivated land and it provides most of the food for India. Punjab produces corn, wheat, sugarcanes, sporting goods, clothing, industrial material and many other commodities. Khalistani government will keep this stuff as much as it needs and the rest will be shipped out to other countries as a trade and in return oil and other needed things will be bought. No one in Khalistan will die out of hunger because if Punjab can provide food for 90% of the Indian population then it surely can provide food for everyone in Khalistan because the population in Khalistan will be a lot less than Indian population" Actually Indias economy is one of the fastest growing economies in the world. The UAE had money flowing in from oil. Punjabi is a food producing country, not enough grain could be produced to feed the people and financially benefit the government, and all its payroll of employees, plus massive army that would be needed. Where will our oil piplines run through? Enemy India? The borders will be surronded by enemy territory, itll cost alot just to finance Border defenses. "There are many land lock countries in the world. Don't those countries survive? Indian government will be defeated and Khalistan will be liberated, so Khalsa will occupy the sea ports directly but Indian government will have access to it. Air planes can be used for trading also." No alot of them dont. How will Khalistan control the seaports? I thought we only wanted Punjab? Where will the money for planes come from? "Panj Pyare will be the leaders of Khalistan. Elections will be held every four years and people will choose Panj Pyare. These Panj Pyare will rule under the authority of Akaal Takhat Sahib. Every city will have Panj Pyare as its leader. There will be no bad leaders in Khalistan because when Khalsa Panth starts doing Naam Simran in the morning, it will gain spiritual power which no one will be able to destroy. Foundation of Khalistan will be laid upon the power of Naam Simran. Guru Gobind Singh Ji said "When Khalsa starts following the true path of the Guru Granth Sahib and abandons all the bad things, I will give them sovereignty." So when the time for Khalistan comes, every Sikh will be a true Sikh and there will be no bad people in Sikhism. Guru Ji said "Raaj Karega Khalsa Aakki Rahe Na Koe" which means Khalsa shall rule and there will be no one against Khalsa. Khalsa Raj (Khalistan) shall come for sure. Khalistan will be a true Khalsa Raj" Politicians with morals?? haha! So this is actually a theocratic State? No bad leaders? How can we make sure of that? There will always be bad people everywhere, thats a duality of this world! This is not going to be a fairy tale world, itll have its share of crooked politicians and corrupt officials, just like our Gurudwaras but with more power! "Now some general questions from Punjabi people. These are the people who are not Amritdhari. They don't practice Sikhism at all. They eat meat, drink alcohol, smoke and do everything that is prohibited by Gurus and yet they call themselves Sikhs. Before I go into their questions, I want to say that only an Amritdhari person is a Sikh. One who follows Guru's teaching is a Sikh and Khalistan is for Sikhs. Everyone will have religious freedom but people who commit adultery, smoke, drink alcohol etc. will not be allowed to live there because not only Sikhism but also all religions prohibit these things. " So basically anyone who isnt Sikh/amrit dhari will be kicked out? Thats not religious freedom! What if a Muslim wants to eat his chicken? Deport him to Pakistan? What about the Christian who wants a sip of his wine? Exile him? This sounds more and more like a religious police state, another mass migration with more refugees! Doesnt sound like a pleasent, open, welcoming land of love! "Mostly people refer to Gurdwaras in Pakistan but Pakistani Punjab will be part of Khalistan as well because the whole Punjab belongs to Sikhs. Sikhs have beaten Pakistan twice already so there would be no problem defeating it one more time." So after a war with India, its on to Pakistan? Create a hostile Border all around? What about the Muslims there? Would Pakistan let its Capital fall so easily?Sikhs have beaten Pakistan twice? I didnt know that, I thought the Indian army gave a little help to, with all the tanks, guns, and fighter planes! Also why would India allow the Khalistani Government any power to land on their side of the border? Actually brother this only confused me more about Khalistan, gave no logical answers at all. Or made it clear that Khalistan if achieved would only lead to a civil war amongst ourselves.

Do some Yoga in the morning before Nitnem!!! Itll stretch your muscles and wake you up, help you concentrate more!!

"that shocked me thinking that a paper representing the sikh community would make such comments" Maybe not everyone in the community sees them as Heros. They are stating theyre opinion to which theyre entitled, doesnt make them any less Sikh.

So you know how your going to gain it, but not maintain it?

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What will be the political scheme of it? What will be some of the basic amendments in its constitution? Will it keep the seperation of "church and state", How about Civil Rights? How will the Hindus/Muslims be accordingly adjusted into the new Nation? How about the army, comletely volunteer? Major exports? Who will be the First President, will it be through free elections, or whoever had more power at the time of achievement? What will be some Basic MANDATORY rules the Khalistanis on this board want to see happen in the new nation?

Testing To see if My ID works yet Admin Note: Moderation is lifted off.

What about free range animals? I heard theyre treated with compassion (Im vegetarian by choice BTW)

"i think a moderator should ban you again for using foul language" Your posts Make more sense every time you try! Keep it up little boy! :TH:

Uuuummm Right... so tell me how does Biljas *Admin EDITED - words like this and you ask us why you are under moderation ?*? So God isnt protecting me? Ive talked to Daljit Singh, if anyone from chicago is here Go to the Guru Ghar on Sunday and watch the political circus theyre going to start there, Daljit Singh was no where near that motel that day, call the waucanda police department, and ask for that incident, see what happens. Thats the difference between the Palatine Gurudwara and the waucanda one...

The Sim you are an <banned word filter activated>, Namstang I completely agree brother, sometimes it seems some people dont know who they are targeting

Got ran over a bus, as he blew himself up

Thank you for updating me on your terms!

Sure, chant anything that is written in Gurbani but not any hindu-buddhist mixed mantras made up by yogi. If you do chant these mantras just don't call it Gurmat Naam Simran. Sikhi is pretty clear about what Name to meditate upon (Gurmantar) and how to do it which is not yoga. And how do you know He did? Ik Oankar, Dhur Ki bani, is not good enough for you? Who came up with Om? Goal of a Sikh is not to attain salvation but to live truthful way of life. The name of God revealed by Guru Ji is Waheguru. Sikhs are supposed to meditate upon Gurmantar which is supported by Bhai Gurdas Ji also. If you haven't noticed we are discussing yoga spirituality and Sikhi. The word "I think" shows your uncertainty about this matter. Guru Ji started wrestling classes, gatka classes, horse riding but never yoga. tell me why? Was he not smart enough? You are completely lost from the purpose of this discussion. Yoga is not part of Sikhi but meditation (gurmat way) is. Gurmat Naam Simran is the permanent solution to strengthen one's mind. Numerous Shaheeds are very good example of this. Gurmat is all about Rehat. Kara, Kachera are two restrictions on Sikhs. Four Bajjar Kurehats are restrictions on Sikhs as well. The only way to get naam in Sikhi is by taking Amrit. What other religions? Bhagats were neither hindus nor muslims. Just read their Bani and it will make sense. Respecting other religions doesn't mean accepting their beliefs and following them. Such "openness" is foolishness. I rather follow only Guru's Marg and not any other way. You are welcome to follow any way you want. If you don't follow Guru Ji's Hukam you are not following Sikhi. Simple as that. It doesn't mean you are a bad person or anything. It simply means you are not following Sikhi. Where in Gurbani is yoga (spiritual aspect) supported? Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh 138905[/snapback] Well Bilja Singh Im Certain Guru Ji wanted Sikhs to stay in top form, I dont understand why you are so against Yoga simply because a Sikh didnt think it up, actually the bhagats were Hindu and Muslim, you should know that Khalsa Ji! Show me where in Bani Guru Maharaj tells us to only chant Whaeguru and not any other word? Actually any name I can call God is good enough for me! I dont find anything wrong with chanting OM, if it helps me to get closer to God. So a Sikh should a truthful life, does that include passing judgement on others?Actually I simply think im not following your brand of Sikhi, Im following the path the Gurus showed me! And Proud to be Singhnee, ummm whats that supposed to mean?? My Avatar......? Yes your caps button works I saw It when you typed KHALSA! Ram Ram!

^^ I hope God has bhallan on you and opens your eyes, and lifts the veil of Ignorance, Allah help this sister!!!

18 degress and dropping in chicago

So me being a sikh, say I chant OM HARI RAM, I cannot get closer to God?

"3HO recite non-Sikh mantras, they call it “simran program”, believe that yoga helps them get closer to God" So a Hindu, buddhist or any non sikh can not get closer to God unless they are saying Whaeguru?

I still dont forgive him, I say we ban him whoever agrees say "I"

LOL I think he was referring that the ones who cut their hair are weak, and The Gursikhs are the strong ones being left. Now hug and kiss him and make up!

Sikhnet doesnt recommend anything anti Gurmat, I dont understand how Yoga, which relaxes our body and mind, would be anti gurmat. Is there anything being done in the process which makes us forget God? Actually it only focues our concentration more helping us to better meditate on the Lord. The list that these fanatics are making is growing longer every day, stop searching for what we shoud ban, rather focus on the Love of God.