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Things will get very interesting in Punjab in the coming decade. Rise of Islam and Christians who have become bold over the last 2 decades or so and dwindling number of Sikhs. Open attacks on Sikhi will rise. You can expect: - Rising number of Hindu/Sikh vs Muslim or Christian clashes. A decade ago these were non existant, but slowly the number is rising. Earlier Sikhs stupidly used to side with 'minorities' against Hindus but Sikhs will more and more take a neutral path (if they're smart) and let the Hindus handle the Christians and Muslims. - More cases of love jihad - More cases of Kashmiri terrorists being sheltered in Muslim neighborhoods in Punjab (Gujjar deras, and so on). - More conversions to Christianity by belittling the Gurus, using Sikh terminology to fool Sikhs into accepting Christ. You will see the first cases of entire villages converting to Christianity and Gurdwaras being deserted. - Demand for greater rights by the 'minorities' (Christians and Muslims), including fighting for more burial land (already happening but will amplify) - Sikhs will officially be under the 50% mark if the census is done correctly with the combined percentage of Muslims and Christians exceeding 10%. Mark my words.

Apparently some of the sulley were dating Sikh girls and teasing the Singhs saying look at how your women are characterless and we use them as we want. When they objected they got cornered and attacked. Sadly often our own girls ruin our collective self image by their actions. These girls often don't listen to community elders or the Singhs and talk about 'all religions equal, peace and love' bs but once they get (ab)used they cry foul and get us involved.

This needs proper media coverage from our side as the Gujjars and media are portraying this as a matter of Sikhs teasing Gujjar women and then firing on them when the Gujjars tried to intervene. This is dangerous as it harms our image and some of our own lot are falling prey to this propaganda.

Great news. 1. Gujjars (and Muslims in Punjab) will be unmasked on a state wide level with the growing number of these incidents. Slowly the secular, tree hugging - termite - Sikhs will also wake up. 2. Sikhs fought back and killed 2 sullahs who said they were going to kidnap our women which sends a message across these Gujjars and Muslims overall that we can still kill for our honor (izzat) and anakh (self respect). Gujjars hate Sikhs and have sheltered Kashmiri terrorists in the past who have launched terror attacks within Punjab. They are known to amass illegal weapons in their deras and have built mosques all over Punjab. I predict riots or a massacre of these Gujjars in Punjab within the coming decade. Funny how our [Punjabi] media always betrays us, they are showing only the Muslim side in this news clip below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIp-lpPirSY Muslims are playing the minority card as always, milking the system as usual. They've gotten the minority commission involved. https://www.punjabijagran.com/punjab/amritsar-minorities-commission-takes-serious-note-of-gujjar-massacre-in-majitha-9045648.html More coverage: https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/2-killed-10-injured-as-farmers-gujjars-clash-in-majitha-village-101647977507847.html

He is a chaploos like majority of Punjabis and Sikhs nowadays.

Only fools couldn't see this coming. Actually I am glad that this is happening. Sikhs need to get slapped up so they can come to their senses, without this they never wake up from their fantasy land. AAPs downard spiral in Punjab has begun, lets see if they go ahead with this or not. But they most probably will go ahead as per plan.

Its a worldwide phenomena and banks are getting stricter when giving out loans, thus making it even harder for first time buyers to buy in most cases. Luckily I started investing in real estate at a very young age (not so long ago). My portfolio has more than doubled in less than a decades time.

Mukatnama in Sau Sakhi, ascribed to Bhai Sahib Singh, also gives hint at Japji Sahib being the morning bani but encourages one to read Aarta generally as a part of nitnem as well. These are the only two sources (Bhai Gurdas Vaaran and Mukatnama) indicating Aarti and Aarta as daily nitnem (liturgical prayers) for Sikhs. ਖਾਵੇ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਿ ਜਪੁ ਪੜ੍ਹ ਲੈ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ A Sikh should eat after reciting (jap) the Gurus name and reciting Japji. (6th stanza) ਨਾਮ ਸਿਮਰ ਕਰਿ ਆਰਤਾ, ਗੁਰੂ ਮਿਟਾਵੈ ਕੰਗ After remembering God (doing simran), one should do Aarta (by which) the Guru eradicates poverty. (11th stanza) Roughly translated by myself. The Mukatnama, altough not without its share of flaws, is an interesting Rahit because it refers tobacco as 'jagat jooth', forbids marrying into the same gotras (family names - one of the only Rahits that indicate this), mentions daswandh and many other Sikh terms that are not always found in other rahitnamas.

Not entirely true. R&AW and the Indian deep state are very powerful. Notable Sikhs (activists and others) have been killed in many western countries. Wheter its Tarsem Singh Purewal (the editor of Des Pardes Weekly - UK), Satwinder Singh (son in law of Bapu Surat Singh, USA) and many others have been murdered under mysterious circumstances.

By the way, Deep Sidhu's death adds to the long list of the many mysterious 'deaths' in the Sikh political circle in the last century (or even during the fall of the Sikh Empire). Some notables ones include: - Bibi Bimal Kaur, elected MP from Ropar and wife of Bhai Beant Singh who executed Indira Gandhi. - Bibi Rajinder Kaur, president of women Akali Dal and daughter of Master Tara Singh - Bhai Harminder Singh Sandhu, an intelligent leader who actually was well versed in both Punjabi and English but often painted as a police mole post his release from jail. There was an another leader (altough more related to Punjab politics than 'Panthic' one) that was killed in a road accident in 2009. His name was Capt Kanwaljit Singh and he was a minister & gen sec of SAD (Akali Dal) who had become vocal of Badals. The inquiry into his death was apparently never made public. Accidents have long been a preferred way to 'remove' opposition (represented in a stereotypical way to 'eliminate' the honest cop by politicians in many Indian movies).

People who are judging him based on his marital status or appearence need to have some shame. First get off your computers and do something for the panth before you point fingers at people who did a lot more for the panth without having the appearence of a practising Singh unlike you guys whose only seva is doing ninda from your couches in the west. People like Deep Sidhu have always existed in our panth and got the respect they deserved. Mind you, he was no patit; he was a sahajdhari. A patit is someone who has taken pahul / amrit and break rehat, he does not fall into that category. There have been several sahajdharis or 'panth dardis' born into Sikh families who have done as much seva if not more than the amritdharis (sahajdharis: Bhai Moti Ram, Bhai Kanhaiya, ... Bhai Gurbaksh 'Das' was the caretaker of 'Kesgarh' Sahib in the early 1700s, Gopal Das was appointed as a granthi by Bhai Mani Singh at Harmandar Sahib... and modern day Sikhs who have done major seva while being moneh include Bhai Sukha Jinda, Bhai Deepa Heranwala and countless others who were at the forefront protesting against beadbi just recently). Stop marginalizing the moneh or sahajdharis, this has been one of our biggest drawbacks post the Singh Sabha movement. Getting on topic I would like to point out Deeps nimrata (humility) in one of his posts I read just a few weeks back. He admits and says he knows he lacks jeevan (rahit wise) and does not even pretend to be a contender to be some 'panthic spokesperson or leader', he is simply a kookar (dog) at the Gurus darbar... Read it and have some shame before throwing mud at a panthic person who just passed away.

You may have agreed or disagreed with his beliefs but truth is that Deep Sidhu had a lot of potential to become a leader in Punjab. He was getting more into the Panthic circles - saw his interview along with Simranjit Singh Mann just some days back. Sad news and there is definitely more to it than meets the eye. May akaalpurakh bless his aatma

Here are the bits by Bhai Gurdas about nitnem, interestingly Jaap instead of Japji (which could not refer to Jaap Sahib as the vaars were written during earlier Gurus times). ਸਹਜਿ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਅਗਾਧਿ ਵਿਚਿ ਇਕ ਮਨਿ ਹੋਇ ਗੁਰ ਜਾਪੁ ਜਪੰਦੇ। By putting their mind in the unfathomable God through deep concentration, they remember Guru, the God by reciting Jaapu (Ji) ਸੰਝੈ ਸੋਦਰੁ ਗਾਵਣਾ ਮਨ ਮੇਲੀ ਕਰਿ ਮੇਲਿ ਮਿਲੰਦੇ। They sing the Sodar in the evening and heartily associate with one another. ਰਾਤੀ ਕੀਰਤਿ ਸੋਹਿਲਾ ਕਰਿ ਆਰਤੀ ਪਰਸਾਦ ਵੰਡੰਦੇ। Having recited the Sohila and made supplication at night they distribute sacred food (prasad). And elsewhere in Pauri 38: ਸੋਦਰੁ ਆਰਤੀ ਗਾਵੀਐ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲੇ ਜਾਪੁ ਉਚਾਰਾ। Sodar and Arati were sung and in the ambrosial hours Jaapu was recited.

If you study Rahitnamas and ithasik Granths carefully, there is a general tendency to include more Dasam Granthi banis as the years pass by (compare the average 18th century Rahit to a 19th century Rahit). You can compare it by reading Granths like Gurbilas Kuer Singh (often dated 1751, sometimes 19th century) where he puts nitnem at Japji, Rehras and Sohila only. Tankhahnama ascribed to Bhai Nand Lal which has a copy dated 1719 also gives the same nitnem of three banis (that are incidently placed on the 13 angs of the Guru Granth Sahib before the first raag, Sri Raag). Rahitnama Chaupa Singh which is said to be written in 1765 also gives the same nitnem, but it does say to recite Japji 5 times though. Now you can find some Granths like Sri Gur Katha or Rahitnama Daya Singh which are sometimes also placed as contemporary sources, mentioning a lot of Dasam Granth banis but these Granths have not yet been examined properly (Sri Gur Katha) or a clear cases of forgery (Rahitnama Daya Singh is part of a larger Granth that has been proven to be written by a Nirmala in early 1800s.) It is an interesting topic to study, I spent years studying the question and had amassed a document with over 15 sources with different Banis but can't seem to find it. As some poster mentioned some Rahits do mention to read Arti seperately (Bhai Gurdas but also a Rahit from the Sau Sakhi I think). Even when we look at puratan Panj Granthis, a lot exist which have only Japji Sahib, Rehras and Sohila and 2 additional (usually from GGS) banis, like one preserved at Baba Ala Singh Burjh which has Salok M 9 and Salok Sahaskriti additionally. Others argue that these Panj Granthis predate the 'creation' of the Khalsa by Guru Gobind Singh - but this is not necessarily always the case as I have also stumpled across Panj Granthis in libraries which are dated post 1708 with Japji Rehraas Sohila and 2 other, often differing banis). It is true that Jap Jaap often comes up, and people do give the explanation that it refers to reciting banis from both Guru Granth Sahib and Dasam Granth but that does not seem to be a plausible explanation. Only one Granth says 'jap jaap due', otherwise it is often Jap Jaap. Bhai Gurdas refers to Japji as Jaap, maybe that could be a clue for further research. Akaal Sahai.

Dalleh What about Jassa Ramgarhia the Tarkhan who soldiered for Adina Beg ?

All of them look crappy, esp the one with Ghusseywala. Since 1947 we have only been able to produce a few critically acclaimed movies, some of whom are Satluj De Kandey, Marhi Da Deeva, Shaheed e Mohabbat, Shaheed Uddham Singh (Raj Babbar one), Des Hoya Pardes, Waris Shah Ishq Daa Waaris etc. A lot of potential is there, especially with a wider Punjabi audience from Pak who have started prefering Punjabi cinema over Bollywood (also due to the fact that they consider most East Punjabi or Sikhan di movies as family friendly - even though some include cringy double meaning jokes). We still lag a decade behind Bollywood (they were producing mindless comedies and romantic movies in the 90s and 00s but have progressed alot in the last decade with indie cinema and shows). In mainstream Punjabi cinema only a few try different subjects, the likes of Gippy Grewal and Amrinder Gill. But maybe Punjabis are not ready for the change yet.

Not denying that the Pak Punjabs are involved in grooming or other anti Sikh acts but how do you explain the absence of such organized grooming cases in the US where most Paks are Punjabis as compared to the Paks in the UK who have large numbers of Mirpuris/Kashmiris? The odd grooming cases are everywhere, even in Europe where several Sikh girls have been groomed, but I am talking about the organized efforts like the ones visible in the UK. Paks in the US - majority of them Punjabis - are pretty succesful, educated, have a low crime rate and generally good relations with Sikhs/East Punjabis. Could it be that mostly Mirpuris were grooming back in the day hence creating the narration that groomers are mostly Mirpuris and now Pak Punjabs, Afghanis and others taking over. If you really have access to figures and names in the crimes that we do not have, could you do a quick analysis of the cases of the past decades and see the % (approx) of Pak Punjabs vs Mirpuris ? Genuinely interested because most cases I have read about had Mirpuris involved in them: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/697583/Rotherham-abuse-scandal-child-grooming-gangs-industrial-scale-victims-CSE "GROOMING of young girls by gangs of predominantly Kashmiri men is still occurring on an “industrial scale” in Rotherham because authorities are failing to tackle an organised child sex crime racket, an investigation by express.co.uk has uncovered." BTW, you're probably referring to me in your post because I was the one who bought up the Mirpuri grooming issue in some other thread and I also suggested that we need to focus on improving our relations in West Punjab so we can further Panthic goals in Pak which was not appreciated on this forum.

I've heard it in Punjab as well. We'll be hearing it more often there since <banned word filter activated> have grown exponentially and the mainstream Muslah worshipping liberal Sikhs will start seeing the true colours of Islam and 'diversity' and 'all religions equal' bs. They will hence become more aware of true Islam which includes jaziya, taqiya, grooming and not just the darbars, sufi and Mian Mir stuff.

Just like we use sullaah very commonly, muslaah is deragotary as well and rarely used but the best one is qutwaa. What I don't understand is how our fuddhus like and share this video where the viewer is denigrating our faith, boasting of doing azaan in Harmandar Sahib and calling us Sikhraa. Check the comments, most top ones are from 'Sikhs'.

Small test How many of you know the names of all pahars in one day in Punjabi?

He will ensure your used shoes are returned ?

How many of you still use 'bhalkey' for morning ? (its used in Gurbani as well, my dadi used to say it instead of saverey). Doabis usually say kareyati instead of besan, gabhey instead of vichaley, taaki instead of baari, mostly use nianey instead of jawak and so on. I've had workers from different areas from East Punjab and also Pak Punjab so it took some time to know what term to use when talking to each. Pak Punjabis (mostly from Majha areas like Lahore and Sialkot) have a very similar Punjabi to our Majhails. Some differences include their usage of saalan/handee for dishes, trai instead of tinn (3) but then they do say punjeeh (25) like Amritsaris instead of pachee. Paks also like to end sentences with 'su', something I've not heard from our Majhails.

Buddhi is used by some Majhails and a majority of Paki Punjabis to denote their wives. I've seen many Pak Punjabis say 'meri budhee' this that, I always struggle to keep a straight face when they say it. More needs to be done to preserve the beautiful variants, synonyms or homonyms in Punjab. Panjabdigilib makes some nices posters with akhaan (sayings) and posts them online. The same word can have different meanings in different parts of Punjab, Majhails say phaji to bhanoya (brother in law) while Doabis (and others) use it for their brother. We in Doaba used to call clothes 'talley', haldi (turmeric) was 'basaar', baingans were bataoo (not only in Doaba though). Funnily grating is called kadu kas(h) in some Punjabi areas while it is called billi kash (eww) in others.

Some Singhs have gone from Punjab to the victims house in Delhi. Nihang Amrit Pal Singh Mehron is one of them, who gave a sword (kirpan) to the victims sister and told them to take pahul (amrit). He wrote that 'the Sikh nation is alive and will take revenge (in due time)' on the walls of the room where the assault took place as well.