BA51NGH

MY own opinion as follws ---- could be completly wrong .... Panch Pardani or Sant samaj gets my vote SAD A - Not enough votes with luck they may get a few but only helps congress as it weekeans badal - Think Aligns with Congress if no majority PPP - Not enough votes again weakens Badal so pro for congress - Think align with Badal if no Majority Panch Pardani - Not enough Votes better for Congress as any votes weeken badal and think alliane will be made with Congress if no majority Congress - not sure how it looks at moment Sant Samaj &Badal - Sant Samaj - Likley to a good few - Badal likley to win because of sant smaaj collaboration Question is not SAD A or PPP or Panch Pardani its congress or badal... i know how this sounds but think badal .. better the devil ou know plus they als have sant samaj who mus have some sort of agenda

defo wrong in my humble opinion

Only The true know what the future holds ... Sant Samaj shocked me by not speaking out but nether the less they do what they do and i will have full trust and belief as with out belief and trust we will fall... Out of all the SPGC votes i Think Sant Samaj can muster a majority .. even though in some places they will loose but there are "Sikhi" Supporters who will join the cause so think about the wider picture ... we will hopefully get a strong hold and get powers back to sort OUR punjab out .... Someone posted put a bullet in badal ... yes .. i agree but what will killing this snake achieve? Hes given birth to another and the other snakes in the pit are just waiting to show their fangs once king cobra is dead.... plus we need a purtan singh/singhni to do the mission .. the guy does alot of path and thus in thei era we need as much of this as possible so who ever does the deed must be true.... even sant ji used to go into their room and pray for the death of an enemy of the nation (talk to close singhs if theres any doubt) I think the way i would do it is get my foot in by joining a strong party who has the chances of winning .. improve the area of consticency and then spread the word of the gurbani and educate people ... this positive effect will be noticed by others who will want improvement for their area and thus vote in the party .. allowing us to move away from SAD and set up our selves ... Punjab sooner or late will become into fruitition again we just need to water it .... or am i in my own utophia My opinions only sorry for any offence Bhul chuck maf B

Can i Just ask .. do you think This happened without badal knowing? how come badal tora and co walked out of harminder sahib un touched but thousands had to pay with their lives... Badal when first elected made three promises ... non of which have been followed through infact the police officers which were used in black cat encounters are given political and state protection. Sucha suda is given z secuirty after killing and offending the sikhs but badal the man in power does nothing... .. my opinion .. badal Knew and agreed .... Sant hi knew and was in waheguru hukam How come after 84 (nov) he went and signed a very watered down (so water you couldnt see the ink) anadpur sahib resolution which was rejected by the panth

HI Just wanted to read the point where Mahrajah Ranjit singh could not conquer south of sutlej? i was under the impression he wanted to keep his kingdom strong and entacted and thus did not venture south ?

Shows that their still scared panth da shere sits in a cell owned by them ... and they feel scared .... they try and stage an attack and he in cuffs and chained to their men voids the attack and knocks them for six .... They can give him the death sentence but for one of their own they give him political power .. india the largets democracys.... Panth da Shere would laugh and kiss the noose as did Bhai Harjinder singh Jinda and Bhai Sukdev Singh Sukha .. we are not scared of death infact death is scared of us.... Just imagine if we were all like him (me included)

Sad new ... She gave birth and raised Bhai Jinda a Babbar Shere of the Kaum ... May her memory live forever.... If you speak to people who were close to Bhai Sukha and Bhai Jinda they will tell you of Bhai Jinda's mother .. They did not shead tears when they were hanged the celebrated in true style ... the day before Bhai Sukha and Bhai Jinda was to be sent to the galows Bhai Jinda’s mother asked the girl family members who came to do a gidhaa as her son was going to be married tomorrow. The Kaum needs more mothers like this ...

yeah a bullet

I can understand your views and in some parts agree however we dont know the actions for what is happening with Sant Samaj ... One Singh i know whos in contact said its better to be i the inside and know about things than on the outside... plus you never know what they maybe doing maybe they are organising the release of pantic prisoners maybe they are getting the anand karaj act amended maybe they are fighting for free pachar? do you know? how many deals are done behind closed doors ? Just because we dont see them openly condeming something dosnt mean they are standing idly by anyway Baba Harnam Singh Ji Dhumma has said off the stage infront of thes unpantic politians something they dont want to hear int that the sign of something good? any way bhul chuk maf but lets refrain from slandering sant samaj ... theyve done much more than i ever could

Bhaji Sorry but no location or is this of the secret kind

BTW way Hat ...i Dare you to say that to me .... although id proably still be sitting inside a cell asking god why he asked the guy to say it to me

FOR GOD SAKE HES THE BLOODY PILOT ..... This is becoming ridiculous ..just a thought This has become more mainstream n Italy has their been hightened security or are they just takin away the media light from France where this situation first arose?

Just goes to show... Across the border they construct and build on this side they tear it down .....although still woundering what the agenda is .. or am i being cinical?

A must at Next visit to amritsar

I have family in canada ... anyone know which area they are very interested in the situation?

im just woundering if this is the punishment the jathedar mentioned when he said that anyone associating with babeh such as such soda will be punished waheguru

Waheguru

LOL some of the comments just classic.. question to HSISingh ... are you sikh or do you consider Sikhism to be a seperate religion? If so could you just answer one question ...WHY DOES THE INDIAN CONSITITUTION ARTICLE 25 STILL CLASSIFY SIKHS AS HINDUS??? WE MAKE UP 4% OF THE WORLDS POPULATIONS SMALL COUNTRIES SUCH AS HUNGRY AUSTRIA , BIG COUNTRIES SUCH AS US CHINA CONSIDER US AS A SEPERATE RELIGION BUT THE COUNTRY WHICH YOU SO CLEARLY SUPPORT THE SO CALLED 'LARGEST DEMOCRAY' DOSENT Get this changed and give us Anandpur resolution for a start and then we can go from their until then I'm Pro Khalistan ... and it will happen just a matter of time whether it happens througG Geo Politics or through an Armed struggle ... it will happen its core priciples will cover the world the khalsa jandah shall be seen in every state/ city and town in the world .... Khalsa shall rule Back to the original question ... if there was a mass migration back ten yes otherwise im sorry i dont think could live there ... i always used to say id go back and live there but dont think it would be possible... what work would i do... i dont know how to farm even though im a so called Jatt. i dont know enough about the politics ins and outs to get involved in that. But if there was mass miggration which would allow us to change the way things work then for def yes.. although again depends on what the missus will say? Bhul chuk maf

Unfortunatly its not as easy to do as say... these people do what they do as they have power... i was in india a little while back when the gov was a bit scared of all the posters of Sant Ji. The youth were rising up so police were stopping anyone with their picture etc.. i was in a local pind mtg with the mla (family), local mundi guy and the dsp or what ever ...anyway his police guard saw this car with sant ji's picture on the back of it and were trying to find out whos it was...my cousin who car it was goes its his... i just knew this was gonna lead to problems they started saying to himto take it off and then we come out and the mla comes and sits in the car you should have seen the coppers faces its clasical they thought <banned word filter activated> what now.. my cousin then turn around and looked the coppers directly in faces and drove off but it goes to show that these people have power .. what can you do against them .. we can do morche all we want but until the local pind guys and girls dont stop voting for these people theres nothing we can do ... Badals are one of if not the most powerful family in punjab, this is never gonna change ver night and it would be difficult for the jatherdar to excommunicate them from the panth ....the badals are clever their policys look like they are helping the normal people, i.e. jatts vote for them as they think they look after them as farmers. Badals have been in power so long that its near impossible to get them out. the only way is to educate and pray .. but whos better? If you kick out the badals, captin etc who would you have to run punjab?

Ok starting point...agreed its politicians but are they for real wht are we gonna find ? sonya ghandi stating in an email .. discriminate against sikhs! its the policies and the politians that inforce them ... ie the water issue the anand karaj issue the issue that we are the largest producer of crops but dont control the price at which it is sold at ... we cannot sell across state borders the issue that sikhs cannot purchase land outside punjab the issue that no human rights organisation can gain full free no hold bared access the issue of electricity (we produce 3 x what we need but we still have to go without) the fact the media is not "free" and sensored by gov fair enough you can say that this all politians being corrupt ok change it ... dont let lalu parsad give 100 rp notes with every laddo box dont let badal give booze with every vote dont let the police take away the inocent this change needs to come down top heavy and if they want they could ... but the hidden policies will stay the same (allow drug selling in certain areas .. this will not allow the area to regenerate .. certain policies are inforce but youll never find proof .. and if thats what they need ask them to dress as asikh and go through a train ride from punjab to agra ... they will themslves see the difference and discrimination that takes place.. we are not going to find documentation saying flush out and dismantle sikhi ... so you could always say its in our minds but we knw the truth out of curiosity what is the number of politains in india that are hindu? of this what % are high caste ... this should show that majority of policies are set up by high caste politians which will in turn affect the low caste .. and trust me they may not like the caste system but they are bound by it ... shev sena rss will not allow any onebut high caste brahmin to rule... Isnt the fact that we are considered hindus by their own consititution not enough .. change that and ill be pleased to expand on my issues

2nd that ... NO

Hmm what do the guys on the forum think is the Sau Sakhi Genuine?

Chardi Kala wich rendeh Singh Deshmesh Pita deh .... Open invo to the rss and others by the sounds of things .. the lion has roared has the jungle emptied? Is anyone there?

Hi Mr warrior ... did you get a picture ?

Well its difficult to explain someone whos got their mind made up .. ie try explaining to me islam is the true religion good luck btw... I know you dont want to show the pain and suffering but try explaing the injustice within punishments handed out to sikhs .. how can they justify Tytler and kumar with Politcal power when they have so many cases registered against them? How can they give Sach suda babeh the zsecurity level when they have been implicated with crimes such as murder and rape.... sikhs are arrested and tortured for no reason without evidence but these people who we have people willing to testify against get politcal protection why ... see its hard because of the way things are done everything can be brought down to being corrupt and not political... stil think the biggest point is the indian consitution (article 25) ... this is the biggest discrimination full stop... the rest of the world sees us as a different religion but the self called largest democracy cannot? Look through the anandpur resolution (starting point) .. dont telll them this is what it is just print it out and say do these seem like unresonble demands... they will go through and question why but just ask them to answer before you sya why ... if they are like the many many Gurati's they will say there is no reason for these points because we can live in harmony... this should give you a benchmark for their views... from here you can justify each point in the anadpur sahib resolution... you need to question them .... could they live how we have lived? another question...why do they not left human righs organisations free run of punjab? are they scared they might find something? see you need to turn the tables a bit in my opinion ask them straight up do you see sikhs as a seperate religion ... do you agree with the consitution do you think we have freedom ... all the things ive posted before are backable by reliable sources .... the question is is what i call reliable the smae to them no as they have a different agenda. Unless its written in the finacial times etc these people will deny everything with the word properganda ... where you from bhaji we could always link up if the persist on saying india is the democracy it says it is .. discrimination is ripe in india .. leave the sikhs for a while look into th unjust caste system in which word today does one man have the right to tell another an he is lower than him and cannot pray and take the name of god? I had a convo with some gujis a yr o soback i just went on this point they were brhamin but could answer the simple question of in this world how did the caste system fit? it destroys the ground they have buillt their nation... bhul chuk maf