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WJKK WJKF, Jat, jat, jat! That's all we ever hear. This is a political and economical/social topic not concerning sikhi or the parchar of sikhi. Simply the ever growing supremacy issue for the jatt. Nothing to do with our dharam. How the hypocrite has been bitten back by hypocrisy. Leave your caste aside, then become khalsa, one united people of no caste. What would India do then?

WJKK WJKF You do not need to be rude, we are all sikhs here. If you did not want to contribute to such a topic then why contribute? Just refrain from giving your view and let other sangat members converse. WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF America is trying once again to use NATO as it's puppet to put weaponry directed towards Russia legally as they can't go marching in themselves and do it! The tables are indeed shifting, I think the ancient calendar of the Mayans actually predicted this rather than the world ending in 2012, it demonstrates the change of human emotion and world power leading to world war and the climax of kal jug. WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF agree with you, it would be good if he realised the other reason why sikhi is on the downfall, him being one of them lol.

WJKK WJKF The SGPC, Indian government/officials and unfortunately the fraudulently led Shri Akal Takhat are not going to do nothing about this situation. Realisticly, our sikh brothers and sisters living in other countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan and even Gujrat need empowerment within themselves, within the countries in which they live in, as the three above mentioned institutes do nothing to protect sikhs within India, why would they help sikhs living abroad? It is now the sikh sangat who live in India and all over the world who have to display to these institutes how us sikhs should live and support one another where ever we are living in the world geographically. People in Pakistan also need to realise the world is a big place with many colours and religions. Just how a Muslim has the right to build a mosque in India or here in the UK, other faiths have the right to worship freely within Pakistan, if someone or a representative of a group dishonours their religious practice, they should deal with that person and the associated party within the law of the land, not then just go round trying to once again burn and plunder other innocent people and their establishments of faith as we are not in 1947, it's actually 2014! WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF I agree with your posts, the ideology behind your opinion is spot on , however the reality is not many so called sikhs are tyar bar tyar, even if they carry Shastar how many know how to affectively use it? We really have come so from the khalsa fauj because of westernisation and other contributing factors. The only tyar bar tyar we many sikhs are, is when theirs a party with sharaab! The sad fact of the matter is, their is a certain arrogance amongst all Indians which I personally think is cultural and characteristic for the whole of India, if someone was being attacked in the uk, no matter who, someone would of come to the aid of the victim. Were at a stage of time now what mirrors when our guru tegh bahadur shaderdi took place and our guru gobind Singh asked shaheed bhai jeevan Singh ji, "was their no sikhs there", to which the answer he received guy ji replied he would create such a sikh, one would be recognisable in a crowd of 100,000, unfortunately, these days they are distinguishable, but not recognisable as the shakti of many sikhs has all but gone. In the sense that no one, not even sikh police officers, local sikh residents of Amritsar could come to the aid of our brother who was attacked. How sad. WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF, I agree with your post, I just don't understand why the nihang don't do anythink? The anti-sikh groups opinion of sikhs being weak now has to derive from partly this and also as you mentioned politically led agenders. WJKK WJKF

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WJKK WJKF Dear brother, I understand, agree and support your view if the casteless sikhi. But I do not agree with your sentiments about someone like Hitler hanging Indians from around the world as it is Hindu blood. Brother, do not let anger take over your compassion, the khalsa is the protector of people and faiths not the destroyer as Hitler did. The Second World War was a terrible time in history not so long ago which should never, ever be repeated in any circumstance. WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF, Dear Brother, Just because some sikhs have names in relation to Hindu gods and goddesses and other beings from Hindu scripture and history doesn't make them a Hindu. For example Shiri guru Ram Das, Shiri guru Arjan dev, Shiri guru har krishan. All these above stated names have relation to Hinduism however does it then make our gurus Hindu? WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF Dear Brother and sisters, We should all fight for equality and one sikhi. The very fact that this topic has become about "jatt" and "bhatra" is a reflection of the misunderstanding of sikhi. There can never be jatt sikh, bhatra sikh or whatever else, there can only be a guru ka sikh. My brother Cisco Singhs point is right that when amrit is adopted one becomes Singh and Kaur and I think the original point of amrit was that the set of amrit dhari khalsa parents would obviously initiate and administer the holy ambrit to their children and so on...this is how it was meant to be, hence why the suffix Singh and Kaur should be passed on however this has been broken and the issues which have been discussed on this forum present day are a direct consequence of this. We should all take steps to our guru, forget our caste affiliations and the whole "my caste is better than yours" and unite! Family names should be passed down through knowledge, only for the purpose of "a" cannot marry "a" and nothing else, we should be initiated with amrit and follow the hukum. Anyone who believes in the ten gurus and the Shiri Guru Granth Sahib ji but has not drank the holy amrit should only refer themselves to be a sikh, when they understand the sacrifice and cost of which our shaheed gave for the privilege to call themselves sikhs. If they believe in the superiority of their caste whether it be jatt or bhatra, they should understand they are not simply sikh. They are a product of their caste and void of any understanding of sikhi. In Bara Maha da Paath, it states : This is Nanak's prayer: "Please show Your Mercy, and bestow Your Name. The gurus Khalsa is casteless, creed-less, genderless, ageless and colourless, yet we still argue for caste supremacy? Lolz WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF Great points to which I agree with you, the Nirmal panth of Akal Purakh waheguru via guru nanak dev ji through his 10 other forms has been hijacked by caste. Hence why people feel the need to convert. If only they put their trust and faith in sikhi and pushed for change and solidarity. WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF, Dear brother, All the above atrocities you have stated above targeted at sikhs and sikhi are true and a 100% valid, however their are many issues which us so called sikhs do to one another within the Nirmal panth of sikhi which cannot be tolerated, I feel many have not understood the basic, fundamental principles of sikhi and if Khalistan was ever issued, unfortunately I feel it would be based on money, power and caste. The will, hope and backbone of such sikhs who are true gursikh should be based on the strength in regards to one another and their unshakeable faith for sikhi. We are the only religion in the world without a nation as you rightly stated, but I feel the khalsa and sikhi has no geographical bounds and limitation, as we are the army of the world under gods rule, the only time Khalistan would be successful is when they realise what khalsa means. Wherever sikhs have settled around the world, caste is prevelant alongside other issues, why would it then not be if Khalistan was created? For me, "Raj karega khalsa" is based within people's hearts, minds and souls. Hope I have elaborated enough why my opinion is as such and it obviously is only my humble opinion. WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF Dear Brother, I am not in favour for Khalistan either. I personally don't think it makes you any less a sikh. It is just an opinion. What makes you a sikh is the day to day life you live, trying to base all your decisions from gurmat. WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF I think this phrase derives from the fact that a gursikh who has been gifted a Kirpaan and Shastar when initiated into the khalsa panth must never draw his weapon in a situation what does not require it to be drawn, as the only situation when the Kirpaan should be drawn is when all other paths for resolve have been explored to no avail in protection of someone else, injustice or self protection. WJKK WJKF

WJKK, WJKF Being meat free is not the end all and be all for a sikh, Bhakti and shakti are as important as each other and are the basis for a gursikh. Sister when you sharpen your Bhagti with Naam, remember to sharpen your shakti via your Kirpaan and shastar and practice your weaponry.

WJKK WJKF I would like to ask the imam if he remembers his infant years from o months upto 3. Or how much he remembers from his life from the age of 4 upto 6, also if he remembers how it felt the first time he crawled, walked and spoke? Our progression in this life is not remembered fully yet for some reason the imam assumes we should remember our previous millions of lives lol! WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF ....agreed....100%

WJKK WJKF Surnames may help for sikhs not to intermarriage, however in my opinion after the hukam of Shiri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, it should be used as knowledge and not a surname. Singh and Kaur should only be used. Unfortunately the main reason for surnames is simply to display you belong to a particular caste and nothing more. WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF,Very nice and accurate post. I understand the point you are making. In my opinion and what I understand, (maybe I'm wrong) sikhi is made of two components, Bhagti and shakti- for a khalsa, both components need understanding and growth. Many sikhs today have done much to grow and increase their Bhagti, but many only wear the kirpaan as a symbol. *deleted* WJKK WJKF Mod Note: Refrain from going too deep in whether meat is right or wrong. WJKK WJKF If only moderators would step in when people justify caste also, would be much more commendable.

WJKK WJKF I have never heard the cassette but I don't think we can apply the laws of the living to another realm or level of existence of the soul, like the language issue. Attention has to be given to this subject as many people go to dera and babeh due to no help from established gurdwareh on the topic of spirituality, then when we offer them no help or advice we shun them for going down another route and question why dera and babeh exist. WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF, I have heard "Sant" Baba Ranjit Singh mention this story and the cassette in a katha about another spiritual case which about with sant maskeen ji. That katha is on youtube and I think if you do a search within sikhsangat, the link is in one of the posts. WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF, I think the fact that as sikhs we do not preach to convert is a beautiful thing. When I tell some one from another faith about sikhi, I first start with that as it kinda settles them and releases their security barrier which opens their minds a tad. The preacher probably realised his wife had reacted to the parchar you did, hence his reaction. It's amazing how guru nanaks parchar still can wake a sleeping soul. Keep it up brother!

WJKK WJKF, During the renaissance the Roman Catholic Church had great philosophers like the Italian Giordano Bruno burned at the stake for his scientific view and findings on the Copernican system of astronomy which placed the sun, not the Earth, at the centre of the solar system. They even tied his tongue so that he could not adress people before his death. Also Galileo under the threat of torture was told to change his support by the church order, which he did as he had become old. This is how the church treated great minds during the renaissance as it was a different view to that of theirs. Also it I just a drop of rain in the sea of wht is concealed. Giordano Bruno's literature is still on the forbidden list of literature within the library of the Vatican! WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF, Khalsa ji, no need to thank me. Again stay strong! WJKK WJKF