MisterrSingh

It's one particular sign of a society and civilisation in decline.

Yet the current generation/s - of which I belong to I guess - aren't having better, more successful, happier long term relationships as a result of having more freedom to choose. If anything these relationships and marriages are less fruitful, because the mentalities of the respective personalities in these marriages are sorely deficient in important areas that are required for a successful union. This sneering arrogance on the part of modern generations towards their grandparents' and parents' marriages is entirely misplaced. Sometimes the best thing to do is not over think it. I find those who are micro analyse every small detail will never be pleased.

Best to pretend to be intelligent than remove all doubt about it, ey? Says the person who's practically setup camp on this forum for more than a decade. Stop projecting.

Probably end up marrying a closeted gay Singh, poor thing.

Indian tea is practically a few shades removed from a sabzi anyway, so this isn't such a surprise.

Racist?

I hope you're onto something.

Like they give two hoots. Business as usual.

I reckon that's it. I'm at the stage where my body tells me what's working and what isn't, and unfortunately soy was one of those things that i had to cut out.

Being a vegetarian I can attest to the affects of estrogen in soya based foods. Although I wasn't a heavy consumer of soya foods (in terms of daily consumption), I did eat a sabji made of soya mince every few weeks that may have been wonderfully tasty, but also promoted a couple of unfortunate side affects that aren't entirely conducive to a masculine image, lol. Thankfully, since completely cutting it out of my diet 5 or so years ago things on the estrogen front have been negated. Plus it use to give me kabaj but that's another matter entirely.

That made me chuckle! So very true. It's fascinating how we subconsciously absorb the broad characteristics of our host countries and it's native population, whilst still being "us." Yet, white Canadians are, generally, a rather unassuming and - as the stereotypes go - a rather apologetic people, yet our lot over there are some of the most bombastic and exuberant Sikhs in the diaspora. Wonder if anyone's done any sociology studies on this subject? Generally, the point I've made before today is this: child grooming (I.e. where the kid simply isn't in any position to resist their groomers) is a wildly different subject to Sikh girls of the ages of 16+ getting up to all sorts and then crying foul later on. Not everything can be laid at the door of Muslims being devilish.

I never knew it was that bad. Incredibly sad news.

My word. That's unexpected. I think Bhai Sahib will be philosophical about his situation if his parchaar is any indication. I hope for his recovery.

Nothing but shabads. What's this kachi bani masquerading as something religious and meaningful?

Canadian Sikhs use to look down on UK Sikhs, and generally crow about not having the "Muslim problem" when it came to their girls over there. Now that their country is experiencing the delights of unfettered immigration from certain Islamic countries, these formerly smug figures are cutting worried figures now that the problem is at their door. Kiwi and Aussie Sikhs are currently in the same boat Canadian and NA Sikhs were a few decades ago, but give it a couple of generations of Islamic enrichment in their communities, and they too will be banging their heads against the wall asking where it all went wrong, lol.

Explain how WITHOUT getting personal, offended, or generally doing what you do.

The root of the problem is twofold: the corrupt, irreligious, out of touch religious hierarchy for whom Sikhi is a money-making exercise like any other business, and secondly the adverse and malign influence of certain entrenched cultural norms and attitudes that followers of the religion refuse to relinquish. Add a few uniquely Western issues facing the Sikh faith in the diaspora (orthodoxy vs a flexible interpretation of the faith), and we're staring at some pretty major issues that are being allowed to fester. And that's all without mentioning the recruitment of young Sikhs into the various sect-like institutions, headed by savvy business men masquerading as holy men, that foster division instead of unity. Shall I stop?

This is something I've been thinking repeatedly for the past few months. On one hand structure and organisation is needed, particularly for the "admin" aspects of ensuring a faith continues to function; there must be a certain amount of systems in place. But equally the Sikh faith has grown to become the very thing it rallied against.

I'm my experience, from observing such things over the past decade or so, parents are becoming increasingly powerless to prevent such unions. It kills them inside when the wedding is going on (the sense of "shame" they feel is written all over their faces), lol, but it's a choice between kicking off and alienating the son or daughter in question, or just let them get on with it and accept it.

Bhagati isn't inherited, although it does "attract" if that makes sense, IF that's what is written. As others have noted earlier, some brilliantly spiritual people are often surrounded by... let's call them trying people and circumstances, lol. So what happened to the inheritance of spirituality in those cases? It's all explained in Jap Ji Sahib.

These beliefs and attitudes feed into the kind of behaviour we're seeing on some level at least. Whilst it isn't something that's at the forefront of most people's minds when making decisions, it does affect so many Sikh minds when they're led to believe that anything goes. I agree, a rotten apple is going to show its true colours no matter what, but for those on the fence, hearing such things is the difference between doing the right thing, according to Sikhi, and doing what this incredibly liberalised, selective interpretation is espousing.

Our newer generations have succumbed to the "All paths lead to the One / GGS Ji featured Bani of Hindu and Muslim (for argument's sake) bhagats / A Muslim laid the foundation stone of Harmandir Sahib.. etc" faction of certain types of Sikhs who are trying their utmost to turn the Sikh faith, particularly in the West, into some sort of flimsy, rule-less, Southeast Asian spiritual, pick n' choose past-time, as opposed to a religion with certain requirements for its followers. The above three examples I've given are all true without a doubt, but they're being taken and emphasised to extremes at the expense of other equally valid Sikh facts, because those aforementioned three aspects of Sikhi promote a free, less rigid way of following Sikhi, which is apparently ideal for our shallow and increasingly irreligious people. Why would any sane person even mention such a thing? Are you having a dig for some unfathomable reason?

What's that got to do with the situation on campuses? Are Syrian and Iraqi men enrolling onto marketing or business degrees and seducing Punjabi females?

Some might call it "grooming" but there's a few who walk into it with their eyes open. It's called "dating." The fact that Muslims and Sikhs date, especially in university, is an uncomfortable reality we need to acknowledge. Not all such encounters result in the innocent, gullible Sikh girl being drugged, then having pictures of her taken in a state of undress, that the Muslah then threatens to show said pictures to her family. Again, enough with this white knighting rubbish. Why are we trying to save these girls who don't see themselves as victims? They're more likely to turn around and tell you to mind your own business. Approach this issue with the mindset that these Sikh girls aren't chunni-wearing damsels in danger of being dishonoured, and you'll begin to get to the reality of the situation. Grooming does happen. I'm not denying that. But how many of those cases where the Sikh girl enters into a sordid brief encounter with a Muslim for it to go south ("I'm away from home for the first time in my life; let's have some fun"), which she then turns around into an "I was groomed" narrative to save face amongst her family and community? And we swallow it every time.

True. I think "they" will punish the American people for daring to elect someone like Trump, i.e. an outsider (yeah, despite him being a billionaire businessman). The punishment will be to dissuade any others with delusions of taking on the Clinton and Bush dynasties in the future, as well as a warning to the populace to keep in place the Democrat / Republican hegemony. In what form that punishment will be is anyone's guess, but I assume it'll be the usual methods of causing fear in weak people. As much as I enjoyed seeing Trump win for the lulz, I seriously don't think he's the saviour and restorer of American fortunes as he's made out to be. For a start, there's too many snouts in the trough in the international establishment who will never allow change, because it will affect their feeding opportunities.