MisterrSingh

Overall, Canada is being quite smart - they would say - about accepting refugees, because they've established a policy of allowing in only complete families, females at risk, and people from the LGBT communities; no straight single men. I guess recent events in France got them spooked.

I meant modern day "plant a bomb and then run off" tactics, not old-school mediaeval hit-and-run.

Ironically, if the above had transpired, we'd have been sitting pretty with a land of our own carved out from swathes of India and Pakistan. World leaders would definitely know who the Sikhs are, and we'd have autonomy. Depends on the price one is willing to pay. Is a country built on the bones of hundreds and thousands of innocents worth it? From a spiritual perspective - we ARE Sikhs, so spirituality is a prime consideration, no matter what the rational thinkers say who would like to see Sikhi relegated to a social philosophy instead of a religion - what karmic toll must such actions and policies have on those who build nations through such means? How long do such countries and empires remain? Where is the Roman Empire? Where is the British Empire? Where's the Ottoman Empire? Heck, where's Atlantis, lol? I'm looking at you, United States, lol. ;) These things never last. They're over in the blink of an eye.

Yep, pure brute force. Back in those days, whoever hit hardest more often than not came out on top. In a way, it was complete fairness; no cowardly hit and run tactics, or destruction from above with rockets and missiles. By and large, your skill with a sword and your prowess on horseback determined your success as a warrior.

Bottom line for me is I don't trust other Sikhs to get together, take action together, and then see it through to the end. If my life has taught me anything, it's that you can't rely on anyone. For me, it's alone or nothing. We're a dying breed. Most Sikhs in the west (practising of otherwise) are too attached to their comfortable middle class existence to be of any use to anyone. They've been consumed by Maya. When things go pear-shaped - and they will - their only concern will be theirs and their own. Complacent, confused, and cowardly. Good luck to them; they, their children, and their children's children are going to need it. Then watch them come crying at Guru Sahib's door on their hands and knees begging for help. Too late.

Nah, too late. That's not me being negative or defeatist but that's the reality. They're in too deep. Funny thing is, Guru Sahib opens eyes to exactly the kind of things we're talking about here, yet I ask myself, if most of these individuals in Sikhi who claim to be in His good graces can't see what's happening at the end of their nose, then who or what exactly are they meditating on?

I tell you what, fellas like Heller and Orwell knew the score when it came to the chalakhiyan pulled by governments, and how the ordinary public would be duped by such shenanigans. Nowadays, you won't get any writer exposing the incestuous hegemony of the modern world, because these writers (and journalists) are so reliant on the "system" to pay their bills, it would be career suicide for anyone to speak up. Those who do see themselves as the successors of the likes of Orwell, never reveal the true, unspoken source of much of the world's problems, instead preferring to skirt around the issues and deflect attention from the truth. It's a sick joke.

It's on my to-read list along with a few others. I've heard great things about it though. I'll look at making it the next book I pick up. Cheers.

Not surprising. War profiteering has been occurring since the Middle Ages. The general public are being made mugs. As I said before, it's an insidious sleight of hand.

That's something "naturalised" Sikhs would do well to bear in mind too, especially youngsters drawn to certain Jathas for whom Sikhi is a way of socialising and having fun without the stigma associated with the drinking and drugs culture that's rife amongst our people. BUT just because you're not knocking back pegs or dancing like a goon, I defy anyone to argue that there's not other equally damaging activities occurring that aren't congruous with what it means to be Sikh. Unfortunately, as with most things when it comes to us, as long as the surface is intact and presentable, what's underneath is secondary or irrelevant. Sangat is important, yes, but most take it too far.

I think it's a Southall (or thereabouts) kinda thing. Anyone tried getting up to that kind of pendu palaver around here, they'd get a severe tongue lashing and would be sent on their way. Of course, that's not to say classic UK Gurdwara committee politics hasn't been enacted in most places where there's a considerable Sikh population, but rounding up old men and "encouraging" them through various means to vote for one committee or the other just sounds too third world for my liking.

Oh, bhed!

I rarely swear nowadays, but that article in the first post had me effing and blinding. What absolute tosh! He thinks he can "erase things from the Net" just like that? Stupid, arrogant Indian. Blame his Hindu paymasters in Delhi (and we must), but WE must shoulder some of the responsibility for unleashing this monster on Punjab and Sikhs. Men like this are rarely held accountable for their evils whilst they toxify this world with their presence, but it's little consolation that this lower class of life-form will have to answer for his misdemeanours when he's departed from this world. Although one wonders why God allows such characters to rise to prominence in the first place. BTW, what's with the "pedo" label? Is he one? If not, why's he being labelled as one? Doesn't make sense. It's like calling a white guy a "p*ki" there's no logic behind it. Stick to the facts, otherwise it gets confusing.

Agree with the jist of OP's argument. The socialist aspects of dera culture, whilst clearly suspect and riddled with vested interests to ensnare desperate people requiring help of various sorts, is what Sikhi SHOULD ALWAYS have been to this present day, I.E. taking care of the disadvantaged; giving the hopeless a semblance of hope, and a basic sense of Sarbat da Bhalla starting with our Punjabi brothers and sisters back home. I know they aren't the easiest people to get on with, and yes, they have certain unique personality traits that have burnt a lot of NR Sikhs who've come into close contact with them, but those aren't the kind of people who need assistance. It's the poor and the needy that our attention must turn to. Don't do it to expect anything in return, but offer help because there's nobody else who's willing to do it. But how? Throwing money at them isn't the solution? Attaching them to Sikhi is a start, but they also need day-to-day support with life that these deras are providing. SGPC should be at the forefront of such action. Unfortunately, we all know what they're up to. So much money that's generated by sangat all across Punjab that could change lives, but where is it going?

It's a symptom and a symbol of a lack of faith in the unseen. It's just a few shades removed from the man-worshipping Radhasoami and Narankari cults mainstream Sikhs deride so vociferously.

Khalistan is certainly needed, especially as the years go by. HOW it'll come into being is anyone's guess.

Great to see Eduardo's returned; sad to see his opinions of us have changed.

How did these guys get here, in terms of were they smuggled here via Europe, or did they overstay their visa / work permit?

What Can Mosques Do To Fight Sexual Grooming?

You're a Muslim, Haroon.

Okay, I really do believe you're taking the Mick.

Now you're trolling.

Give it a rest.

From a Sikh perspective, we should observe how this plays out. Will Islam continue to encroach onto European territory (via terror and other means, such as out-populating their host countries) or will it be content with its own caliphate? That is, if the whole topic of Islamic expansion isn't an overblown myth designed to distract the proles, whilst the true injustices (regarding our freedom, liberty, and rights) are taken from us over the course of generations with this "cause and affect" nonsense that's swung into being since 9/11. Funny how there was so much resistance to the Internet Snooper's Charter and Syrian airstrikes a few months and weeks ago from the British, but now I'm guessing the public are so desperate not to end up shot to bits in their own streets, the resistance to such things seems less important. Overall, I can see that entire region going up in smoke eventually, and it'd be a madman who assumes India will remain untouched. Maybe the bachans of mahapurash regarding a time when Sikhs will come to the fore when the world's population has been decimated is something not be scoffed at. If that is the case, this current sorry shower that make up modern Sikhi need to be purged: corrupt politicians and the equally corrupt "holy" men.

I'd say it's been in decline post-World War 2. The so-called Information Age we currently reside in, and the associated benefits of living during the most peaceful period of history, is utter smoke and mirrors. They're killing us; not our bodies but our souls.