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This is good news, i cant believe punjabis didnt think about this before, but i can totally see a flood of punjabis moving to this and other areas. once one punjabi does it soon more will follow as the news spreads. this will be great for the locals as more jobs will be created and hopefully in the future land prices will fall in punjab.

Thats good. Are they going to be teaching pathh, kirtan, and simran along with other subjects.

here is another topic started on this forum with alot of personal information on this group http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/55837-need-help/

Be careful of this website its run by this person, see link. they claim to be god on earth http://www.sikhsentinel.com/sikhsentinel0306/narindergrewal.htm

90 PERCENT OF ALL SIKH HERITAGE SITES ARE IN PAKISTAN PESHAWAR: A United Kingdom-born researcher, writer, historian and award-winning filmmaker, Bobby Singh Bansal, has said 90 per cent of the Sikh heritage sites are located in Pakistan, mostly in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP). The writer, who is considered an authority on the Sikh history and heritage in Pakistan, visited Peshawar and other parts of KP for a week to explore the community heritage sites for his upcoming book, Sikh Monuments of Pakistan and India. Talking to The News, the 45-year old writer said during his Pakistan trip he visited for documentation various forts built during the Sikh rule. I have already been to Jamrud and Shabqadar forts and saw the Balahisar from outside. Other Sikh-era forts include those in Bara, Lockhart, Michini, Bannu, Dera Ismail Khan, Haripur, Mansehra and Oghi. I have explored the ruins of Khairabad, Akora Khattak and Jehangira forts [in Nowshera district] built by the Sikhs, he explained. Bansal visited the site of the famed March 14, 1823 battle of Nowshera and located Samadh of Bhai Phoola Singh Akali, a general of the Sikh Army who fell in the battle and was cremated on the site located near the northern bank of Kabul River at Pir Sabak. Asked what motivated him to document the Sikh heritage sites, he said although he was born in England, his roots were in Pakistan. My parents belong to Rawalpindi. I used to visit the holy Sikh sites in this country. This created a desire to conduct research on the subject and give it the shape of publication or film, said Bansal, who has authored, The Lions Firangis: Europeans in the Court of Lahore in 2010 to trace the history of the chief European officers in the service of Maharaja Ranjeet Singh right up to their present descendants living in various parts of the world. Bansal said the response to his first publication encouraged him to produce and direct in 2012 a documentary film Sikhs of Kabul that highlighted the plight of the community whose numbers have dwindled considerably in the Afghan capital. This year he produced another film Sikhs of Burma to be screened in March next year. I have a strong belief that this is our shared heritage and not just for the Sikhs of Pakistan but for Sikhs globally, he said. He called for conservation of the ancient monuments, gurdwaras, forts and havelies associated with his community in Pakistan. Bansal believed documentation of the Sikh heritage sites would also benefit Pakistan. I want all the Sikh heritage sites here documented and put on the tourist map. Every year thousands of Sikh yatris come to Panja Sahib and Nankana Sahib. It is my wish that these yatris should also visit sites of military, historic and religious significance for Sikhs when they are in Pakistan. This will boost tourism and help the Sikhs to know about these places and strengthen their identity, he stressed. The researcher has the conviction that the heritage sites should be owned and conserved without any discrimination. During my current visit, I discussed issues pertaining to gurdwaras that are falling apart and are in need of urgent protection. The problem of paucity of funds can be overcome once the matter is publicised at the international level, said Bansal, who is father of two. He deplored that there is a lot of propaganda about the security situation in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. I have been to this province several times and even during my present visit I found security situation satisfactory. The people are kind and hospitable. But it is strange that there is negative impression about this province in the outside world that needs to be dispelled, he said. In his quest for searching the Sikh history, Bansal went to Italy recently because the second Sikh Governor of Peshawar from 1838 to 1842, General Paolo Di Avitabile (October 25, 1791 March 28, 1850) was an Italian. He met the family members of Avitabile in Naples. He wanted Peshawar and an Italian town Agerola of Naples declared sister cities. The researcher even brought a letter from the Agerola mayor about the twinning, but is yet to be contacted by the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government to help materialise the plan. Just think of the attention Peshawar will get when an Italian or any tourist learns that Agerola is a sister city of Peshawar, argued Bansal. Peshawar is an important ancient living city. During my current visit I went to Gurwarda Bhai Joga Singh Sahib in Dabgari and met several fellow Sikhs. I attended the 91st birthday of legendary actor Dilip Kumar (Muhammad Yousaf Khan) in his hometown and met government representative on the minorities affairs Sardar Soran Singh. I visited several other towns and delivered a lecture at the Hazara University at Mansehra on the Sikh heritage monuments of Pakistan. I am returning to Britain with fond memories and this will compel me to come again he added. link http://dailysikhupdates.com/90-percent-of-all-sikh-heritage-sites-are-in-pakistan/

Would that really be a bad thing? We had the last 500 years to try our plan. Now its the christians turn.

Ok, but where are they?

Also the Sant Samaj hasn't shown up to support, they have a good relationship with badal they should do something if takhat jathedars aren't going to do anything. Also 'Guru Ki Fauj' Nihang Singhs haven't shown up, i wonder what there doing.

Its interesting how akal takhat hasn't spoken a word about this, with all the video evidence. it seems like they only kick out unkown or missionary parcharaks out of the panth. and not anyone from there jatha. if balbir singh was a missionary he would be kicked out of the panth very quick, but he is not so nothing will probably happen to him. the ragis followers still cant believe this has happened and they dont care about what the videos show

Yes, just like how England use to be the center of Christian missionary activites. Missionaries from England were sent all across the world but today england is closing its churches and the missionary activites have shifted elsewhere With the opening of Basics of Sikhi parcher school a shift might happen overtime, as more parchark schools will be started if everything goes will with the parchark school of basics of sikhi. Hopefully students from these parchark schools will set up there own schools in other places. In the future demand for parcharks from punjab might go down as we will have local parcharks of our own. Maybe even western parcharks will be sent to punjab to bring them back to sikhi. Just like how other countries are sending christian missionaries today to England to make england a strong christian nation like it use to be. but of course we dont know how the sants and babas will react to this because they wont be needed as much. maybe they will get a hukamnama against western parcharks saying how could western parcharks understand Gurbani as the punjabi ones do.

Didnt Sant Ji say it was taken from a brahmin, i might be wrong also i believe Sant Ji was quoting a purtan granth when he made that statement BUL CHUK MUF

where is all the millions of millions of people the Sants give Amrit to. Every Sant in a katha brags how he has given amrit to 5 lakh 7 lakh or 12 lakh. Do the Sants just make these figures up. There are thousands of Sants running around punjab, shouldnt there be a big increase in our numbers in the census By the way do the Udasi or Nirmala still do parcher, because in history there made out to be mega parcheraks. maybe they are having better luck outside of punjab

keep us posted, if he attendsdoes he already have some sikhi knowledge or is he starting from nothing

message from Basics of Sikhi on the new Parchark school being set up Parcharak School Help:

Are dwindling numbers of Sikhs in Punjab a point …:

KARAM - PART 1 Here's a few sakhis that may help explain Dukh and sukh Two shopkeepers had their shops next to one another. The Gurmukh (follower of the Guru's (Gur) words (mukh)) used to go to sadh sangat every day and have darshan of Guru Nanak Dev ji do seva and come home. The manmukh (follower of his mind's (man) mukh (words) ) used to go to meet a prostitute. One day the GurMukh said come with me to the sadh sangat, after some persuasion the manmukh agreed, on the way the manmukh remembered his prostitute and backed out of going to the sadh sangat. He said I'm going to go to my normal activities but I'll meet you at the tree across the road tonight. The manmukh went to see the prostitute but she wasn't there so he arrived at the tree much earlier than expected. While waiting for the Gurmukh he started poking a twig into the ground. He found a gold coin, he quickly dug more and more but he only found a pile of ashes. When the Gurmukh returned he was limping along he'd stepped on a thorn. The manmukh said I do my dirty deeds and get good luck you do good deeds but get bad luck. The Gurmukh said lets ask Guru jee to explain. Guru ji told the manmukh, in your previous life you donated one gold piece to a Sant, for doing such a virtuous deed you were to recieve the rewards in this life of many gold coins. But because of your sinful deeds you burned your reward away and were left with your original gold coin. The Gurmukh was told, in your previous life you killed someone with a wooden spear, in this life you were to be killed in the same way, but because of your seva to the Guru you bad deed has been reduced to being pricked with a thorn. MORAL: The Pains and pleasures one gets in this life are heavily influenced by past actions, not just in this life but in countless previous lives. When people suffer at the hands of others its because they made that person suffer in a previous life. Most people will take revenge and so the cycle of making each other suffer continues life after life. A mythical story to explain this is of a goat and a butcher. The butcher would kill the goat in one life ,the goat' soul would be reborn as a butcher and the butcher's soul would be reborn as a goat. In the next life the butcher would kill the goat and so the cycle continued. Then in one life the butcher received a customer who only wanted a goat's leg. The butcher thought if I kill the goat and sell the leg the rest of the goat will rot away. So what he thought was I'll just chop the goat' leg off and bandage the wound, that way the goat will stay alive until the next customer. Just as he was about to cut the leg, the goat spoke 'O Butcher, what's this new bad action you're starting? Life after life we keep swapping roles to cancel our actions, but if you chop my leg now and make me suffer in the next life I'll do the same to you and you'll suffer too!' If this sounds too unrealistic then heres a true incident that happened to a very holy Sikh in the 1920's. He was Bhai Randhir Singh and he had reached the highest spiritual state - he was one with Waheguru ji. He was a freedom fighter and locked up in jail. The guards used to abuse the prisoners. but they left Bhai Randhir Singh ji alone because they feared his spiritual powers. One night he had a vision of his past life. He saw he was a prince in a hermits' cave. The hermit was in a trance and as frozen as a rock. The prince didn't understand the trance and thought he should wake him up and feed him, so he ordered his servant to wake him up. The servant shook him and called out to him but with out success. Bhai Randhir Singh ji then ordered the servant to force open the hermits mouth so they could pour the food in, perhaps that would revive him. The servant couldn't open the locked teeth so he got a rock and smashed some of the teeth - this woke the hermit up - he was as mad as hell, he picked up his spear like weapon and threw it at the servant, the servant got hit in the leg and later had it amputated. Bhai Randhir Singh ji had the vision and realised Guru ji was warning him that he had to suffer in the same way as he had made the hermit suffer. Next morning a new prison warden came to Bhai Randhir Singh ji's cell with his guards. Guess what? The warden had only 1 leg! Bhai Randhir Singh ji immediately recognised that this warden was the hermit in his last life and because he had thrown his spear and caused the loss of the princes's servant leg he too had reaped his reward and lost his leg in this life. Now what remained was that the warden had to somehow cause Bhai Randhir Singh ji's teeth to be broken like the prince had done to the hermit. The warden wanted to humiliate Bhai Randhir Singh ji and ordered his servants to feed him beef soup (he was a strict vegetarian). Bhai Sahib refused to eat it, the guards grabbed him, so Bhai Sahib went into a trance and all his body was frozen as hard as a rock and his jaws were locked. The Warden then ordered the servants to smash his teeth and to pour the soup in, so they did. The Warden had no idea that he was just clearing a bad action from a previous life. Bhai Randhir Singh ji was warned so that he wouldn't attack the servants or warden. If he had caused them sufferening then he would have to be reborn so they could cause him suffering. People ask why do religious people get suffering? They haven't done anything wrong, they haven't hurt an animal or even a fly so why do they get dukh? They get dukh because they caused dukh in previous lifes. All these bad actions have to be cleared. When a holy persons actions and re- actions are all cleared then and only then will they not be reborn and find a place at SatGuru ji's lotus feet in Sach Khand. I was told that Baba Nand Singh ji, one of the most spiritually high people other than the Guru's died from a leg infection. He used to take pain of other people on his own body so they would survive and he would do simran and ardas to get rid of the pain from his own body. He could have easily cured himself of the infection , he could even have taken medicine. But he recognised that he was reaping the re-action of an action from a previous life and it had to be cleared. When it was cleared then he would not be reborn and find his place at SatGuru ji's lotus feet in Sach Khand. Bhai Harbans Singh told this sakhi on one of his kirtan tapes. A holy man was blind. When he got to the spiritual state that he could see his previous lives he tried to find out why he was blind. He searched back through 50 lives and there was no reason for his blindness. He went to see a Sant. The sant told him to look back even further, he looked back to 100 previous lives and still no reason for his blindness. The sant told him to look back one more life. He saw that 101 previous lives ago he was a child tormenting a locust. He had a little twig with which he poked out it's eyes. He was now blind because of that action. Guru ji's have told us clearly, time and time again, that after death when we go infront of the Diviine judge we will be judged by our actions. Some people will be called close to God some will be sent far away (Karmee apo apanee, Ke neray ke door (Japji Sahib)). Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The reaction can only be reduced and eventually erased by obeying Guru ji's instructions like the shopkeeper. I.e do as much Naam Jap (Waheguru repition) as possible, its like an eraser grinding the spear into a tiny thorn. Do it for yourself and do it for other people. All of the martyrs suffered terrible tortures - chopped joint by joint, sawn in half, scalped alive, boiled alive but they remained in chard-ee-a-kala because they never lost their love for SatGuru ji's lotus feet (i.e. carried on doing Waheguru repition). When a Sikh gets Dukh it's acceptable as good because it's wiping away bad actions. If a Sikh loses love for Guru ji because of dukh then the Sikh has lost every thing. KARAM - PART 2 Sant Ishar Singh ji said everyone plans for the future. You study hard because you want a good job when you get older. You put money away in a pension scheme so you have a good retirement. One step beyond that we need to plan for our next life. What happens to us depends on our actions now. Do good actions (karam) now and reap the fruits in the next life. (apeh beej apeh hee kao JapJi). Their are many types of good deeds : give money in charity, help people etc but Guru Nanak ji says that these aren't even worth a sesame seed when your accounts are read. (Tirath tap daya dat dan je ko bhavai til ka man - JapJi). The real karam is listening and obeying the Gurus's teachings, loving SatGuru ji in your mind and bathing in the temple of the heart (Sunnia mannia man keeta bhao, antargat teerath mal nao - Japji). KARAM - PART 3 Baba Maan Singh ji said the steps to earning good karam are : SHARAM -> DHARAM -> KARAM. First you need a sense of sharam (shame). If you can't even tell what is wrong and what is right then you have no chance. A sex/nude scene comes on TV the youngsters sit and watch it, they dont get embarrased even though their parents are watching too. Worse still the parents don't say anything either - no-one has a sense of shame. If you have a sense of Sharam then you need to follow Dharam (religion/righteous deeds) by following the Guru's path you earn Karam good actions like seva, simran, paat. These karams wipe away your negative karams and will cause you to go closer to God. Ultimately if you do enough good karam your negative karam is wiped out while you are alive and you merge with God while still alive (Jeevan Mukat), Our actions decide what happens to us (karmee apo apanee ke neray ke door - JapJi) . Our actions are our own - some will be called close to God some will be pushed away. KARAM - PART4 karam dharam paakhand jo deesai, tin jam jagaatee looteh|| nirbaaN keertan gavau karteh kaa, nimukh simrat jit schooteh|| All the hypocritical 'karam' religion I see, are robbed by Death while they are awake! Sing the immaculate praises (keertan) of the Creator, you are saved by even a moment's remembrance. Does this mean that we shouldn't get into the plus/minus of paap/pun? or, that even if you have a big negative, CONTINUING FROM LAST POST simran will erase all of that? Veer jee, I think you're right, I never worry about all the insects I've probably stepped on in the day........I dont want to end up like a Jain monk sweeping the floor infront of me and a mouth mask to stop me breathing them in. Guru jee is saying don't get caught up in karam...better to be as pure as practical and do kirtan and naam and always ardas for forgiveness. Even if we lived the perfect life of generating no negative actions… never stepped on insects, never hurt anyone etc, we still wouldn't reach the Supreme Waheguru Jee until we sung his praises and repeated his naam. Any religion that focuses on good and bad karam to the extent they have forgotten about praising Waheguru, is hypocrisy says Guru jee. Here are some of the things Guru Granth Sahib Jee says about actions: · You shall reap what you sow. This body is the result of your actions. (Guru V, Jaitsri Raag) · I have been separated from You due to my own actions, why should I blame others?(Guru V, Majh Raag) · Why blame other people? I have to blame my own actions; As I have acted so are the fruits. (Guru I, Asa Raag) · On the soil of your mind sow the seed of good actions; Water this field with His Nam. (Guru I, Sri Raag) · Ignoramus, why do you blaspheme God, when you will receive according to your actions? (Trilochanji, Dhanasri Raag) · All people are under One Sovereign who holds them responsible for their actions. (Guru I, Basant Raag) · Our acts, right and wrong, at Your Court shall come to judgement. Some will be seated near Your seat, Some will forever be kept away. The toils have ended for those that have worshipped You. Nanak says, their faces are lit with joyful radiance and they will set free many others. (Guru I, Japji) · If you sing God's glory, all your undertakings will bear fruit.(Guru V, Kalyan Raag) http://www.akj.org/skins/one/articles.php?id=59

A new shocking video of Shiromani Raagi Balbir Singh in which Raagi can be seen performing Kirtan of Gurbani at Ashutosh Dera. He can be seen bowing down to Ashutosh throughout the whole video. Raagi Sarbjit Singh in defense of Balbir Singh has stated the tabla player wasnt present but itll be interesting to know who exactly played the Tabla. Starting of the video Does Kirtan to impress Ashutosh HERE IS THE VIDEO http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x33m2zd At 7:10 min Notice how all of them and Liar Balbir Laugh at Gurbani! At 5:44 He Bows to the feet of Ashutosh: Moments later he says Bless me Satguru Ji, I am a beggar at your door. It Doesnt look good to keep asking, but Bless me. I am a beggar. Question here is: Why such a highly respected Raagi begging to a Dera Baba even if he didnt know him? At 7:17, he says a few lines of Gurbani and repeats the last part of Ive Found my Guru and looks at Ashutosh In the eyes of Balbir Singh, hes looking at Ashutosh as his Guru and using lines from Gurbani to justify it throughout the whole video. At around 8 Minutes: IT'S REVEALED THAT BALBIR KNEW WHO ASHUTOSH WAS AND WANTED TO MEET HIM FOR 1 YEAR. A person who accompanied Balbir Singh stated to Ashutosh that Balbir Singh wanted to meet you for a year. Balbir Singh then responds and says Maharaj, youve made me desperate to meet you. Now, Balbirs claim that this meeting was the first time he knew of Ashutosh is completely false because he confirmed that hes been wanting to meet him for over a year and says hes been desperate to meet him. At 8:25 Balbir Says to Ashutosh that his assistant was the first to give knowledge about (Ashutosh) You So this confirms that Balbir knew of Ashutosh well in advance of meeting him. At 9:57 Balbir Says to Ashutosh, I Have Met Naryan After Meeting You In the entire video, Balbir Singh uses Gurbani to compare Ashutosh as a supreme being which in itself is an insult and sacrilege of Gurbani and Sikh Gurus. Balbir Singh can be seen sitting at the feet of Ashutosh with his hands folded in front of him and doing Arth of Gurbani also . Its notable that raagi Balbir Singh claimed about his video with Ashutosh Noormehlia which was viral on social media is deep conspiracy against him. Raagi Sarbjit Singh spoke in defense of Bhai Balbir Singh saying he had no clue who he was meeting. He further stated that if either his Tabla player or assistant were with him that they wouldve made him aware of Ashutosh. Sarbjit Singh also termed the incident a Conspiracy to defame Bhai Balbir Singh. link from pictures at http://dailysikhupdates.com/liar-raagi-balbir-knew-ashutosh-for-over-1-year-before-meeting-him/

Has anyone encountered this problem at any Gurdwara? Yes or No.

everyone is going to say we need more parcher but which version of Sikhi we should do parcher of, missionary, nanaksar, akj, nihang,sgpc, or taksali. as soon as one group starts parcher the other is going to say our group is purtan and has the right maryada and others dont. if you dont accept our maryada then we are not going to help you and our parcher will be against you. each of these groups believe they are doing everything right and the other arent. this is why we cant have unity. just on this forum you can see the different groups at work, undermining the other. this is where we have to start to deal with the problem. jathaism

Maybe adoption might be the answer to this problem.

reviving this topic, for some reason we cant see the obvious problem that is root of most of the panths problems. reviving this topic, for some reason we cant see the obvious problem that is root of most of the panths problems, which is education.

12 SIKHS BECOME VICTIMS OF TERROR IN PAKISTAN A news release in a Pakistani newspaper has revealed the ongoing terror faced Sikhs in the tribal areas of Pakistan. PESHAWAR: Sardar Gopal Singh, a representative from the Sikh community, said around a dozen Sikhs have fallen victim to acts of terror over the past few months. He was speaking at a meeting arranged by South Asia Partnership Pakistan in the city on Thursday. Many have been forced to shut their businesses down and leave areas that they have inhabited for decades, he said. According to Gopal, a majority of his community members find it difficult to spiral out of the cycle of poverty and state policies are hardly helpful. Law and Parliamentary Affairs Additional Secretary Israr Mohammad Khan represented the Minister for Law Imtiaz Shahid Qureshi at the moot. Speaking on the occasion, Israr said the government has adopted two bills that will directly address some of the fundamental problems faced by minorities in the province. He added the law department, with help from other departments, is already working on the implementation of these bills. Several minority representatives were invited to talk about the problems faced by their communities. During his address, Christian representative Augustin Jacob said most Christians in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa find it hard to break through the glass ceiling when it comes to jobs at government and semi-government departments. He said almost everyone agrees over the removal of hate material from textbooks, which is taught to children from an early age. Published in The Express Tribune , August 28th, 2015. News from http://dailysikhupdates.com/in-recent-months-12-sikhs-become-victims-of-terror-in-pakistan/

im learning that alot of Gurdwaras dont do katha or explanation of Gurbani. They read alittle of Gurbani(pathh) and do some Kirtan and Ardas and thats all the service at the Gurdwara. The reason seems to be they dont want fights, because the missionary type people will speak and say how are these things even possible and call it Deravaad. So the committees just stick to kirtan and pathh so no fights will erupt. So i want to know from the Sangat, does your Gurdwara do katha and Gurbani explanation or does it just stick to kirtan and pathh.

we are a self hating people, we hate our culture, religion, people, and language. i have seen this over and over again. We are not happy seeing our own people or speaking our own language. In every manmat dera, you will always see our people sitting there. Anything that is opposite of our culture, religion, and language, we like.

Any luck Sangat Ji of finding it