dallysingh101

I have a pal, whose just piled on weight to morbidly obese proportions over a couple years after getting married. Before getting hitched we trained together and he got trim. Is fat shaming okay in these circumstances? When I've approached the topic subtly, he's reacted flippantly. Is it now okay to be more straight up? PS - remember he is a bloke not a girl, I know how that stuff can mess their pretty heads up. So just talking about males here.

They're losing control of the women...........

F**king white people man!

What about you? When you take amrit, will you carry 5 hathiaars?

@jkvlondon And you wonder where the buffoon stereotype comes from.......

As soon as you get off the plane at the airport try dancing like this Ranverrjatt. I think you'll have a queue of women coming at you!

Simple. Don't think like your father. I'm pretty sure he may be a sociopath.

There's a link in the first post of the thread.

I think the paks are one of the key supporters/funders of taliban. Why would they need to worry?

That was really well articulated. And I have to say, the truth about what we've been talking about in the last few threads sometimes makes it hard to have respect for certain Amritdharis.

Bhai ji I know plenty of amritdharis who don't train at all. I feel that in any future chaos, unless we are prepared for it as a panth, we're only going to be slaughtered or enslaved. And we know when things kick off bibian get it bad. I think something really twisted has happened and apnay don't even talk about the whole sipahi maryada/ithihaas these days (other than for a quick false ego boost). Also, living in the past and not preparing to meet modern armed enemies is going to be suicidal. Satguru Arjun Dev Ji clearly showed us that daints do not understand or respect non-violence. We need to get practical, not just philosophical. Any Sikhs in countries where modern weapons are legal should train with them and familiarise themselves with them.

I hear you. The two go together in Sikhi from what it looks like to me? From Chaupa Singh rahit: Once in S. 1759 (1702 A.C) [there occured the following incident]. The annual gathering to celebrate Baisakhi had been held and the naqib had been instructed to announce that everyone should go home. The naqib announced in a loud voice that the Supreme Master had instructed all to return to their homes. Hearing the announcement all who were assembled there duly dispersed. All departed except for a Khatri called Rai Singh. The naqib reported [to Guru Gobind Singh] that the gathering had dispersed but that one participant, Rai Singh, still remained. "If you want to be a faithful Sikh [obey my command and] go to your home,' [the Guru] said to him. "My Lord," he answered, "I have remained here because I have abandoned my home. How can I be a faithful Sikh in my home when I have no home?" "Only at home can you be a faithful Sikh, not here," said [the Guru. "This is no place for you at present.] You are a literate person, one who knows Persian, whereas here our business has to be war. Because of the designs of [evil] people I must bring about a time of tumult (raula), for only thus can our ends be attained. [in such circumstances you will be a hindrance.] When you witness the turmoil you will think up all sorts of suggestions concerning the way this should be done and that should not be done. You will say, "The Master has made a mistake." "[instead of flinging yourself in combat] you will sit and listen to what others say. You will think, you will observe and you will make calculations. But we shall be in the midst of tumult and when the panth is plunged into tumult it has to fight! If all is calm [my] Sikhs will stay at home and there fall prey to excessive affection for family and possessions. But now, in the coming tumult, there will be no such distractions." And so [the Guru] sent [Rai Singh] home.

For anyone who hasn't read this yet. A little excerpt to wet your appetite perhaps?

You're bang on the ball there. I heard from quite a few sources that originally, under Taliban leader Mullah Omar, Sikhs were respected and protected. I think he had some love for the Sikhs in the country. I think he was a reluctant leader though. Someone compelled into the role after the havoc of the warlords. But yeah, as soon as someone else comes in, there is no telling. A lot like the big and sudden shift between Akhbar the great and Jahanghir the fudhu visa vis our Gurus.

What about all the training that was part of the original amrit, with panj hathiaars? Guru ji didn't say what you are saying only. They weren't unrealistic. They put a big emphasis on amritdharis being trained and tyaar.

Yeah, and our lot were also big into the smuggling game from the continent back then (to avoid heavy duties). So they got some of their booze dirt cheap, and made above average profit. I still think an offy in a right location makes a shyte load of profit though. People don't just buy booze from there. They buy all the snacks and sundries afterhours.

Plus I don't know what it is like where you people live in the UK, but in my ends, a good few apnay have owned pubs. I'm not saying this is good or bad, but that it's been a thing for decades. I'm surprised anyone is surprised at this? Surely it must be the same in the midlands and up north??? That being said, I have noticed the monopoly of Off Licenses apnay had a few decades ago is no more, and most people seem to have grown old and sold their offys as their kids don't want to run them anymore. I think people do this type of business because it is easy money (and lucrative too) and isn't physically intensive like other work apnay commonly did in the UK?

Sounds familiar. Might be from The Chaupa Singh rahit or from Bhai Gurdas Singh (II) vaars?

That's a killer quote bro! lol How true is that too. Usually when the kid turns a teenager (and if he's got any anakh), the bapu gets a slap. It's better we school and teach this brother before this behaviour becomes pukkah.

The guys 'surname' says a lot, and points at what I've been saying about certain people sticking their jaat in your mouth from the very get go. I mean, it's like the surname Guru ji gave us isn't good enough for some.

How old are you? If this is how you're behaving now, when you get married, will you also lose your temper with your wife and give her a beating? What was it that made you that angry?

Okay, but please don't whitewash the effect this jut mentality is having on the panth either. It has to be faced, and trying to obfuscate it because it makes you uncomfortable isn't going to cut it either. If people had faced this many years ago, maybe we wouldn't be in the position we are. And me pointing out cultural norms (even if they are unflattering or embarrassing) and people ignoring them is only a continual of living in denial that let so much crap spread in our samaaj, from grooming, balle balle mentality, conversions to others faiths, drug addiction and especially casteism. There ARE cultural traits within juts that aren't all flattering, and are effecting the panth in a negative way. Face it. I fully hear your point about not normalising certain things, but it's being in denial about them and letting them grow unchallenged that pretty much normalises these things until they've grown so big, that people can't be in denial any more, but by then, they've become another issue to contend with.

Here's contemporary Sainapati's (darbari kavi) account of Zorowar Singh fighting and escaping the cordon around Chamkaur:

Bhai ji, you should maybe go on dating or matrimonial site for what you are after, not here.