GurjantGnostic

Shukria ji, I truly respect and appreciate your response.

I'm not really qualified to advise you on this. Please await feedback from the Khalsa. However, here are my thoughts. If he truly chooses to be radha soami then perhaps you should embrace that fully. However out of love for your brother and loyalty I feel it is your right to urge him to stay on the path. I don't feel you would be a hypocrite unless you fail to respect his ultimate decision. There seem to be many wonderful things to appreciate about radha soami, but what worries me, is their path is only as good as the guru they currently follow. This could be good but could go perilously wrong any time. Secondly they seem to owe some form of obedience to their guru, who is a man, and truly we owe obedience to Vaheguru. Can their living rhadasoami reproduce the miracles demonstarted by the Sikh Gurus? I fear they are to some degree placing a man where Vaheguru should be. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and it would not surprise me if this power is not already, or has not already been abused. In my ignorance I also fear that this is a sex scandal just waiting to happen. Again. I am not very educated about this. I don't know very much about this group. My fears are my own shortcomings. I again urge you to wait for a better informed response from the Khalsa. I will say from what I could read there are many wonderful things about these people. EDIT: And ji, join the group with a free membership, as BhForce pointed out to a recent guest it will make it much easier to communicate and then you can get update notifications to your posts. Having been raised Irish Catholic I can tell you this. Our luck and history with Popes has not been good. The idea that Vaheguru will always send a perfect person because of the importance of the position is quite simply a fallacy. It's seriously a dangerous gamble to follow men this way. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

The link is static on the sgpc site. It may auto update. If not I will, or anyone please, update it daily.

the sgpc changed their website, and the hukamnama link is broken for for now, sorry.

My question is, if the Guru Granth Sahib is the 11th Guru, where does the realm of authentic Nitnem stop? Also, these Nitnem, albeit authentic, differ how in terms of authority from the Guru Granth Sahib? I write walls of text. I fear I may have buried these questions so I wanted to bump them.

I appreciate you spoke to this man as a Sikh. I found his message so closely resembles that of white supremacists I spoke to him like one. I will say he only uses the word "our" once in one paragraph. The rest of the time he speaks about Sikhs like they are others. Guest Singh dislikes I call people trolls or fakes but to be honest I feel this site is targetted by trolls and fakes. I applaud you @BhForce I always enjoy your posts and respect your conduct and content.

I'm not sure what case or point you're trying to make here educated human. You want to protect against over population by enforcing your opinion of proper family size on sikhs and mexicans? You know white people have huge families too right? I'm pretty sure the first nations people feel you overpopulated the americas to say the least. Having played this "culturally appropriated" music for black people they've all enjoyed it. The difference to them between cultural appropriation vs cultural appreciation is if you look down on their version of a thing and praise your own version like it's better and you invented it, that's cultural appropriation. The hip hop movement is a world wide musical movement giving voice to oppressed people everywhere. This black people don't mind at all, that's cultural appreciation/cultural exchange. You know they study sikhism within the black panther community in oakland? Gay people are in all cultures, you can guarantee they've contributed. Thank you for your two cent public political message? Did you come here to learn about sikhism or what exactly? Agriculture gave birth to and sustains civilization everywhere. You are educated in what exactly? (Not english or history apparently) Oh and by the way mexicans are native americans, so if you don't like seeing them in the americas I'd suggest a change in location. Canada has extremely tight immigration laws already, those sikhs are rightfully canadian. You might get more traction on the Canadian Heritage Alliance website.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh. I downloaded the app suggested above, and it offers downloads outside of Guru Granth Sahib. So I researched the Varan Bhai Gurdas Ji and it seems quite valuable and the Shri Dasam Granth Sahib. Both seem to be entirely legitimate of course and invaluable. I read in another post there is Nihang Nitnem as well. My question is, if the Guru Granth Sahib is the 11th Guru, where does the realm of authentic Nitnem stop? Also, these Nitnem, albeit authentic, differ how in terms of authority from the Guru Granth Sahib? Edit: The app is great by the way and, as stated above, has the transliteration, which is invaluable to a non gurmukhi speaker trying to learn, like myself.

Maybe there is a compassionate middle ground between these two concepts?

That's too bad.

Monatosingh has his own reasons I'm sure but the website does cover that if you're interested.

Awe guest Singhs feelings are still hurt. Bring it in for a hug ji. For the record I was quoting what I had learned academically about Islam. Members of the board encouraged me to read the quaran to back up what I said. I then read the quaran and realized I couldn't back up when I had heard academically so I retracted my posts that I could no longer stand by. The originals are still quoted so I'm not hiding anything, just not standing by my original statements. There are definitely trolls here. I'm not one of them but in your opinion I am. That's cool. You'll get over it some day brother man. To confused face. Some of my posts aren't properly marked by you, you're slipping a bit. I need you to be 100 ji. Let's get em all, we can't have one or two slippin like that.

Yeesh parasites? Well like you said it usually starts by telling whoever it is they're going to hell and the only way to be saved is to side with them. Historically, and contemporarily you then rape, murder genocide them into submission, and destroy any instance of their own culture. Christians have calmed down in the last 100, 200 years, so they'll just use the jesus is the only way bible thumping thing. Note: the jews (some) do think they're the chosen ones but you're not invited. So they wont be trying to convert you really.

Best rap ever? Probably not, great topic and an interesting channel though.

Is one of these two the authentic image referred to?

If you find a decent resolution image, you could pay to print it or vectorize it then blow it up and print it. The university in my area has some seriously cheap large scale printing available, maybe one in your area too.

Going to follow that channel now.

It's worthwhile I think, even if it doesn't work it's good to prove that to yourself before taking other action. At the point in time you decide you're past that, options are now limited.

I'll delete anything jkvlondon asks me to, or at least apologize for. Naam Water Bhang Repeat until symptoms subside. I'm in no way making fun of anyone ji. What's next? You going to tell me to go back to my own country?

That doesn't fit their hate narrative ji. The governments of this world....civilization they call it yeesh. It's mind blowing.

I like how the bbc continually says for years that Harminder sahib was occupied by militants, but weren't they there for religious holiday and weren't the arms next door as they always are?

Kind of lost me ji. What I was trying to say is it seems to me, from what little I have read here, that amritdhari women may feel underappreciated and passed over for western looking cut females. Is the vomit talk necessary?

It's not my place to speak on this. We all have little foibles or slips. I feel that sister jkvndon got off that horse a few days ago. I think it is a sensitive issue for her, because she, possibly like many amritdhari women, felt under valued by mainstream sikh beauty ideals contemporarily. Here they are being amritdhari, but it doesn't appeal to male lust in the modern age. Without pointing fingers at anyone else, maybe a better way to focus the issue would be a topic worded "honoring the beauty and value of our amritdhari women" If all the women only seemed attracted to shaved men, we would see a decrease in amritdhari men and the men who still chose to be amritdhari might have hurt feelings and feel passed over. I agree with you LightofNaam, I said something very similar. Afterwards however I found out she's been heavily trolled on this site, and tried to look at it from her point of view and I felt a little guilty. The hurt she is speaking from is probably shared by many others, but as you pointed out when we speak out of hurt against another its not our best moment.

I noticed the phrase conspicuously absent. Thank you ji.