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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Sounds great, it gets depressing when you have to wait for a long time before next kirtan darbar. Just a little advice, could the program be organised in a Gurdwara Sahib? I.e. Edward St or Guru Har Rai as they are both in centre of West Bromwich? That way your feel you actually are in the Gurus Darbar? Either way great seva and im sure sangat will attend. Gurfateh Ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh I have always had the understanding that the Anand Karaj should only ever involve Amritdharie couples and this was always puraton maryada, does anyone else have any more information on this? Gurfateh Ji

The sole hukam of Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj was that we all take Khande Da Phaul and become tyar bar tyar not just keep Singh and Kaur as names. I think promoting just an adoption of the singh/kaur as a surname will be interpretted by some as an easy option of being a sikh. Just like wearing a kara does not fastrack anyone to Sikhi, the same applies to just keeping Singh or Kaur in your name. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Bhai Sahib ji i think you misunderstood what i meant, i didnt mean only accepting the title of singh and kaur obviously we should try to follow everything the Guru sahibs have told us, keeping surnames of singh or kaur helps us in so many ways such as hiding the filthy castes associated with them, accepting that we belong to the family of Guru Gobind Singh. The Surnames people keep have not been given to us by the Guru sahibs so why attach ourselves to them? Gurfateh Ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Bhai sahib good points made, and i agree the foundations of sikhi are important such as seva simran. But i also believe keeping the sole surname as kaur or singh is the hukam of guru gobind singh which should not be taken lightly, for example i use the khalsa greeting whenever i speak to a gursikh or do sikhi vichaar, it doesnt make you a sikh or a good sikh if you use the khalsa greeting but it is good practice. Gurfateh Ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Bhai sahib jaipal used the word gursikh to describe themselves, a gur sikh translates into "guru da sikh" i.e. guru granth sahib ji is your guru and you are his sikhs, if this is what you believe then accept the hukam that was laid down by guru gobind singh and only accept the title of singh and kaur. You have stated that it is wrong for the gurdwara sevadar to judge you on your names rather than your deeds, changing your title is a deed and an action that shows you follow the way of the sikh gurus i.e. the khalsa panth. Gurfateh Ji

Ek Onkar Satnam Guru pyare you dont have to go pesh because you did not commit a sin, it was a honest accident and Guru Maharaj knows this even before you did it? You go pesh when you have committed a cardinal sin i.e. 4 kureyats with prior knowledge. I was speaking to a very gupt and very old bibi who has done sangat with very great sants and i was told that Amrit can crack your soul i.e. if you keep drinking Amrit just for any old reason i.e. going pesh for this reason or that reason where Amrit is again admistered to the peshi. Amrit is very powerful and the affects of it i dont think many of us understand. This vichaar has been told to me and may be something you may want to investigate for your own please dont take my word for it. The Amrit we should cleanse ourselves with daily is Amrit Bani, and that is what should wash our sins especially if they were not intentional, pesh is only for very extreame circumstances where you know you did it using manmat. It is your heart felt ardas and sharda and kamaiye that will cleanse you of the sins we commit every day. gurfateh ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Sangat Ji the more the Khalsa sangat grows in the UK and the more pyare that grows within them for kirtan and sangat the more programs we are all gonna see i.e. alot more clashes. I have seen that more and more organisations are booking their program/event dates in advance for the entire year which some people may find unfair but we all need to respect each other and if some one would like to organise a program or event they shouldnt be made to feel intimidated or like they have the a big wrong. Forgive me if i have upset anyone just my 2 pennys worth. Gurfateh Ji

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh I like the sound of this, great seva Gurfateh Ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh The understanding that has been passed to me is that a Kirpan should be in the form as your see traditionally i.e. a outer cutting edge which is curved to the tip. I was told that the kirpan should be sarbloh as it performs spritually duties aswell as for defense. The shape of the kirpan is part of how it does the kirpa for example a pesh kab which is a great shastar cannot do the same kirpa as a kirpaan. Like i said this the understanding i have you dont need to accept it. Gurfateh Ji

Waheguru...what a great saint

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Sangat Ji there an Amrit Sanchar been organised with Guru Ji's kirpa at 22nd December 2007 - 1pm Gurdwara Amrit Parchar Dharmik Diwan 65 Birmingham Road Oldbury, Warley West Midlands UK Gurfateh Ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh We should respect western traditions such as christmas but we should not celebrate them for obvious reasons. A Gurmat Camp has been organised at Oldbury Gurdwara, Birmingham on christmas day to bring our people out of this christmas culture and into our gurdwara sahibs to celebrate events such as the sacrifices made by the sahibzade. There are many other camps going on around the UK which we should try to attend. Gurfateh Ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Should be a great camp Gurfateh Ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Sounds like a great camp, the kids and sangat should take away alot. You have a great line up of activities is there costs involved for the sangat? as the poster doesnt state anything. Gurfateh Ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Good explaination Quest4Akaal, just to correct few things i have seen about 2 - 3 penthra styles in gatka alone and the hand to hand combat i.e. for example using a sri sahib taught by gatka ustads ive seen, looks very similiar to footage of the a shastar vidiya style. I am personally taught how to use each vaar and the benefit of the attack of defence, to tell if it would work, i would need to be involved in a fight which i hope guru ji will dismiss me on. Watching the fight between Ustad Uptej Singh and Nihang Nidar Singh which is the only footage i have seen of a match of the two styles i think both were just as great styles. I truely believe that its not the style of fighting that can tell the winner of a fight or battle but its the kamaiye behind them, thats if you believe its maha akaal who weilds the sword not you. Gurfateh Ji

Ek Onkar Satnam Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Program every wednesday at Gurdwara Amrit Parchar Dharmik Diwan 65 Birmingham Road Oldbury, Warley West Midlands UK KIRTAN, KATHA, VICHAR AND REHRAS SAHIB

Ek Onkar Satnam Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh I have never met anyone who has recited gurbani from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji without making some sort of mistake, even singhs who have learnt from Taksal i have heard as recent as a few weeks back making a mistake while reciting gurbani. The point im trying to make is as a human being you can only try and do ardas and ask the all mighty for his blessings before and after reciting gurbani even if you are reciting from a gutka sahib. Humans make errors we can only ask for forgiveness. I would not stop attempting to read from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji but i would recommend practicing using other methods, because by reading gurbani is the only way we can get to know our Guru Sahib. I probably said loads of things wrong but i only want to encourage you. Gurfateh Ji

Ek Onkar Satnam Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh I am no arguing the fact gunpowder weapons werent used by singhs from the past and our Guru sahib ji, i am stating that evolution did take a part in what we see today. Regarding the effectivness of gatka i can only speak from expearence, so ill only say what i know myself. If what you state about the shastar vidya you know is true and that the art has dissapeared even within the nihang sahibs in india then that is a very sad thing, especially with the jeevan they keep you would expect nothing but the best. Gurfateh Ji

Ek Onkar Satnam Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh I respect your opinions and agree that gatka or shastar vidya has changed since the use of it on the battle field, my understanding is that it started to change when gunpowder weaponary became more common so the use of hand combat shastars had to also evolve. It is a great misunderstanding that gatka cannot be useful on todays dangerious street environments, as an amritdharie sikh i believe it is a must for all amritdharies to learn how to use their sri sahibs for defence even if they do not go deeper into the martial arts, just knowing how to use your sri sahib can help keep you safe on todays streets and it doesnt mean who even have to draw it!. It is also a great misunderstanding that people believe yoga was not practiced by our PURATAN brothers and sisters, gatka is practiced by the entire guru panth khalsa and is referenced and promoted on the nihang sahib web sites such as http://www.budhadal.com which i believe is also promoting this tradition. Anyways khalsa ji stay in chardi kalaa and keep practicing some sort of martial tradition to keep our sipiyee flame alive. Gurfateh Ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh There is also an Amrit sanchar organised for 12noon - 22 December 2007 at Gurdwara Amrit Parchar Dharmik Diwan 65 Birmingham Road Oldbury, Warley West Midlands UK Which ever Amrit Sanchar you can make it for, go to it and declare you have a Guru Gurfateh Ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Bhai sahib ji please dont take my words offensively, but i have been taught that to take any money after teaching the Guru's vidiya is a bad thing to do especially if we have the means to work and use our own dasvandh to support the cause we love so much. Yes it will be much harder but the seva will taste much more sweeter. There have been times where even teaching gatka in a park would do if a hall could not be arranged. Gurfateh Ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh I would love to see the day when all akharas especially in the UK get together and celebrate Khalsa Martial Spirit, the only event close to that would be Yudh Gatka Tournament which i really hope all Khalsa warriors from all akharas try to enter in 2008. Gurfateh Ji

Vaheguru jee kaa khalsa Vaheguru jee kee fateh Sangath jee its great to see so many akharea and i hope this has help the person who orginally started this post but why not get together and help each other, like surely having one akhara in southall then another one in the same area is much because martial arts can be learnt and tought by one another. Just yesterday I was speaking to a singh in manchester who had just got back from gatka class that had been started up by khalsa panth akhara which is really good to see. Just a small request i thought id make if i have offended anyone i am really sorry. Vaheguru jee kaa khalsa Vaheguru jee kee fateh Very good point made by verji, but verji i think people just want to only help there own banner of akhara name which is a shame to see. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Another good point and i agree, just to make a quick point the Khalsa Panth Akhara has only setup Akharas due to sangat demand or other issues such as people charging fees to teach Gatka. Khalsa Panth Akhara does not receive or accept funding from Gurdwara, groups, jathas or government, and is totally self funded by Ustads and sevadars, so the motive of seting up akharas is only for prachar and seva. Gurfateh Ji

Ek Onkar Satnam Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh The pictures are not idols and defo not idol worshipping, it is just an aid used to remember events in our history, even though SGGS does state hir ky sMq imlhu mnu dyvw jo gurbwxI muiK caudw jIau ]2] har kae sa(n)th milahu man dhaevaa jo gurabaanee mukh choudhaa jeeo ||2|| I dedicate my mind to those Saints of the Lord, who chant the Word of the Guru's Bani with their mouths. ||2|| it is not a bad thing to remember great saints and what they stood for. We remember our shaheeds in our ardas, to remember great gursikhs and saints using pictures isnt wrong. I do agree that SGGS ji should be the center of all our attention, but remember Waheguru Ji is everywhere, all the time and in many different forms!!!! Gurfateh Ji