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vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh You have no right to say anything of the sort unless you are completely enlightened and have known the minds, hearts and thoughts of every human being who has walked this earth. One Jesus was great, but we have 10 Gurus, and none of them ever sinned either. I have a question too. What did Jesus do from the time he was born until the time he started preaching and was Baptised? The chapter Matthew isn't very clear. There seems to be a time period missing. Like.. he was born, taken into hiding from Herod and then when he was an adult he started preaching/doing the miracles. What happened in between? There are a lot of lovely stories about our Gurus and their 'child'hood, and right from that time it was clear from their deeds/words/actions that they were no ordinary babies or children. Take Guru Nanak Dev Ji and the snake, the alphabet, sacred thread, Sacha Sauda.. it goes on. Right, well, Sikhs aren't interested in hell, nor are we interested in your version of Heaven either, so it doesn't really matter if you think we're all eternally damned. Thanks nevertheless. You come to ask us about our faith and then end up saying we're screwed anyway lol. Correct me if I'm wrong Bhenjis and Veeray, but doesn't Sikhi teach us that even reciting Guru Saheb's Name once with TRUE devotion is enough to propel you into the arms of God? There were many 'sinners' who came to the court of our Gurus and were accepted, loved, educated and forgiven - even when they sinned in the presence of Guru Sahib. You said Jesus and God were the same... then how did Jesus tolerate the sinners he met, if God is too holy to even go near them? What happened to God's mercy? He is just yes, but everyone makes mistakes and God is also loving and forgiving. On one hand you said that one small sin is enough for huge punishment but on the other you say that after acceptance of Jesus' sacrifice you don't need to be punished at all? Poor you : ( I feel sorry for you. One single sin is enough to be punished but one good deed doesn't even help to turn that fate around. ਸਿਮਰਤ ਇਕ ਬਾਰ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਮਿਟਿ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਸਮਲ ਜਾਂਤਿ ॥੨॥ Meditating in remembrance on the Lord, Har, Har, even once, millions of sins are erased. ||2|| http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=4720 vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Some members of Tigerstyle do kirtan as well.

Introduction In the time of Guru Arjan Dev jee, there was a powerful and rich Jat by the name of Teeratha. Teeratha was a follower of the Muslim sect of Sakhee Sarvar. He was the local leader of this sect and had hundreds of followers who all respected him. Teeratha would regularly lead the members of this sect on a pilgrimage to the main Sakhee Sarvar shrine now in Pakistan. Meeting the Guru Once when passing through Amritsar, Teeratha decided to visit Guru Arjan. He had heard that there was a great Guru who had a large following and this Guru was spiritually enlightened. He was curious to know who this Guru was and what he would say. He decided to stop off and see the Darbar of Guru Arjan. When he saw the Darbar, he saw that people of many different backgrounds, and castes were all sitting together and living in harmony. He also heard the keertan in the darbaar and the keertan left a permanent mark on him. He heard of the great gift of naam and the thirst to have this gift rose within him. He was the leader of hundreds of Sakhee Sarvar followers but he could no longer follow that path. He realised that Sikhee was the path he must follow. He came to Guru Arjan Dev jee and introduced himself. Guru jee saw how rich and powerful Teeratha was and when Teeratha begged for naam and to be initiated into the Sikh faith, Guru jee replied, "Being a Sikh is no easy thing. The path is finer than a hair and sharper than the khanda. The primary principle of Sikhee is humility." Teeratha again repeated his request. Guru Arjan Dev jee then said, "Why do you want to be a Sikh? You are a rich and powerful man with hundreds of followers. You can continue on the easy path of Sakhee Sarvar, because the Sikh path is very hard. If you become a Sikh, you will lose your followers and all their respect and you will lose your wealth as well. You may even have to pay for this decision with your life. What use is there in becoming a Sikh for you?" But Teeratha was insistent he begged that nothing mattered. If he lost everything it would not matter, he needed naam. With tears in his eyes he begged for naam. Guru Arjan Dev jee accepted his request and initiated him into Sikhee and gave him Naam. Teeratha decided to not return home and took leave of his followers. He decided to stay with the Guru for some time. The Sikhs knew that Teeratha was from the Manjh clan and began to call him Bhai Manjh. Bhai Manjh did seva in the darbaar and one day Guru Arjan Dev jee called him and asked him to return to his village and preach Sikhee to his old followers. Return to the Village and Disaster Bhai Manjh returned to his village and began the work of preaching Sikhee to the followers of Sakhee Sarvar. In his home, there was a shrine to Sakhee Sarvar which was revered by all the local followers. Bhai Manjh reached home and immediately had it demolished. Many of his old followers who had considered him a Guru heard Bhai Manjh's message that Guru Arjan was the true Satguru and the source of all happiness. They too decided to become Sikhs and began to recite baaNee. Bhai Manjh and the new devotees of the Guru decided to build a Dharamshaala (Sikh place of gathering) in the village where they could daily meet and do sangat. While the construction of the Dharamshala was still going on, some Sakhee Sarvar leaders came to the village and saw that so many followers had become Sikhs. They spoke to Bhai Manjh and asked him to renounce Sikhee or face a terrible price. They said that he was powerful and a high official in the Sakhee Sarvar sect and he would lose all this if he did not come to his senses. Bhai Manjh sent them away and was insistent that he would remain a Sikh. The Sakhee Sarvar leaders left the village but heaped countless curses on Bhai Manjh and vowed that he would regret his decision. Within a few days of this event, one night, all of Bhai Manjh's cattle died. It was unexplainable how all cattle could die in one night. In the following nights, cattle began to die in neighbouring houses as well. The villagers began to believe that perhaps the curse of Sakhee Sarvar was responsible and by becoming Sikhs and destroying the shrine, they had made a serious mistake. More and more cattle began to die each night and the villagers decided to break off from Bhai Manjh. They declared that they had nothing to do with Bhai Manjh and his new religion. They removed him from his position as village head. Bhai Manjh now began to lose his wealth as well and soon poverty entered his home. Poverty Before, poor and needy people used to come to Bhai Manjh to request for help and money. People would still come now but he himself was living in abject poverty. Bhai Manjh had absolutely no extra wealth to give to anybody. Bhai Manjh was in a desperate situation and he decided to visit the new village head. Bhai Manjh offered his home to be rented out for some money so he could feed his family. The village head agreed to the proposal but added the condition that Bhai Manjh's wife would become his housemaid. His wife would be paid for her labour as well. Bhai Manjh returned home absolutely shattered. He was once the most powerful man in the village and today he was being forced to make his wife a maid. When Bhai Manjh's wife asked him what the village head had said. Bhai Manjh haltingly explained the offer he was given. Bhai Manjh's wife listned and then said that in such hard times she too was willing to make sacrifices and if they had to lower their dignity by doing a job such as that of maid, then so be it. They had to marry off their young daughter and needed money to raise their family. Bhai Manjh's wife agreed to go work for the village head. Bhai Manjh fell asleep that night in deep sadness. The next morning his wife would leave to begin her new job. He thought of Guru Arjan and wondered why the Guru would put his Sikh through such pain. How could the Guru allow him to see such days? Then understanding dawned: this must be the Guru's test. The Guru had said that he would have to sacrifice his all for Naam. Bhai Manjh was determined not to fail this test. He felt shame that he had ever questioned the will of the Guru. Serving the Guru The next morning Bhai Manjh's wife gathered her clothes and left for the village head's home. Bhai Manjh decided to also leave the village. He left for Amritsar with his daughter and decided to spend his time doing seva. Bhai Manjh began to take the seva of bringing wood for the langar, cleaning the dishes, serving the visiting sangat and any other seva he could find. The Guru too heard of Bhai Manjh's sevaa. He called Bhai Manjh to come see him. Bhai Manjh and his daughter appeared before the Guru and bowed. They stood before Satguru Arjan and waited for him to speak. Guru Arjan asked, "Bhai Manjh, where do you eat?" Bhai Manjh replied, "Satguru, I eat from your langar…" Guru Arjan jee then said, "well then, what you do is nothing but wage-labour isn't it?" The sangat was stunned. They knew Bhai Manjh had sacrificed his entire wealth and prestige to become a Sikh and now did more seva than anyone else in the Darbaar. How could Guru jee have humiliated him like this in front of everyone? After all, the Langar was open to everyone, why would Guru jee say such a thing? Bhai Manjh was once a powerful and proud aristocrat with hundreds of followers. He now hung his head and then said, "Satguru, you are wise. Please give me the wisdom to understand and accept your Hukam." Guru jee did not reply. Bhai Manjh then bowed and took his leave with his daughter. Bhai Manjh now decided to no longer eat in the langar. He decided to collect two bundles of wood from now on and he would give one to the langar and sell the other to earn his living and use it to purchase his food. Bhai Manjh's daughter asked her father why the Guru was so merciless to him. Bhai Manjh immediately replied, "No no! The Guru is merciful. He is testing our faith. We can not fail." The Final Test Bhai Manjh would rise early and begin to collect wood for seva and also to sell. After giving the first bundle and selling the second, the two would return to the Darbaar and do seva all day. He would put all his extra money into the Golak. Guru jee once came to Bhai Manjh and asked why he still stayed despite being so poor and having lost everything. Guru jee said he should go home. Bhai Manjh replied, "Mahaaraaj, please never speak of having to leave your feet. Sachay Patshah, worldly wealth is a dream and so it comes and goes. Nothing is lost. I have lost my worldly wealth and found your true treasure of Naam. No thief will take this treasure from me and no King will seize it. " Guru jee gave his blessings to Bhai Manjh and moved on. One day early in the morning when Bhai Manjh was going to the langar to give wood, such a dust storm arose that he could see nothing. Bhai Manjh stumbled and fell into a well. Day broke and Bhai Manjh still had not returned and everyone understood he must be in trouble. The Sikhs began to search for him and heard him call out from the well. One Sikh ran to Guru Arjan to tell him what had happened and Guru jee immediately dashed bare foot to the well. They threw a rope into the well and asked Bhai Manjh to pull himself out. Bhia Manjh jee called from the depth of the well, "Please, first pull the wood out for the langar! If they become wet, they will be of no use and not burn. If I am wet, nothing will happen." Bhai jee tied the wood bundle to the rope and had it pulled out. Only then did Bhai Manjh pull himself out. When Bhai Manjh climbed out of the well, Guru Arjan was standing before him. Bhai Manjh fell at Guru jee's feet. Guru Arjan asked, "Bhai Manjh! What have you gained by following me? You have lost your wealth, your status, and even your wife. You have lost everything!" Bhai Manjh held Guru jee's feet even tighter and with tears in his eyes replied, "No Satguru! I have not lost anything. I have only gained. Please don't push me away, this is my only request of you…" Guru Arjan Dev jee then said, "Bhai Manjh, your sevaa has borne fruit. Ask for anything you want." Bhai Manjh replied, "Guru jee, bless me that I may never want anything. May I always be content" Guru jee replied, "It will happen as you request. But still, request something Bhai Manjh…" Bhai Manjh then said, "If you are happy with me, then have this mercy. It is Kaljug. Please do not scold and test so harshly. May your Sikhs not have to bear such hardships." Guru Maharaj again said, "This too will happen, but still request something Bhai Manjh." Bhai Manjh finally replied, "May my consciousness remain at your feet and may I never forget the meditation of your Naam. If you wish to bless me, then bless me with gift of limitless faith." Guru Arjan heard these words and then said, "Manjh is the beloved of the Guru and the Guru is beloved of Manjh. Manjh is the ferry of the Guru who will ferry across the world ocean." Guru Arjan sent Bhai Manjh home and told him all had been returned. Bhai Manjh did not understand how this would be possible, but had complete faith in the Guru. Everything Restored Bhai Manjh's wife had been working in the house of the village head and she made such an impression on him that he decided to make her his sister. He requested that she take the responsibility of raising his only son. He also gave back Bhai Manjh's home where she could raise the boy. Bhai Manjh returned home and was informed of all that had happened and was stunned. Bhai Manjh never left the support of the Guru. Even at the darkest time he had faith it was all a test and if he stayed firm in his faith, nothing would happen to him. Bhai Manjh was appointed the entire Doaba area to preach Sikhee and he opened a Dharamshaalaa in his home. The langar that Bhai jee opened was famous all around. Many people became Sikhs because of his parchaar. When Guru Arjan Dev jee came to visit the Doaba area in 1596, he made a point of specially visiting Bhai Manjh and praised him for his parchaar. Bhai Manjh jee is the embodiment of faith and perseverance. Nothing in life could turn him away from the Guru and in the end, the Guru kept and protected his Sikh.

vahegurujikakhalsavahegurujikifateh Is this post merely a complaint? If so it should be directed towards the Brit Asia folks, because here it will do no good and will not provoke any fruitful discussion. I'll give it a while in case anyone has anything productive to say before this topic is closed. vahegurujikakhalsavahegurujikifateh

I didn't see Singhstah's topic :blush21:

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh When I go on the random shabad link on the STTM site, only one line of Gurmukhi appears without a transliteration/translation. Is this happening to anyone else? We've tried it from two different computers. My computer firewall said it detected a potential phishing thingie on the page. Does anyone know what's up with it? Thanks vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Tuition fees in Scotland are different (cheaper/better) than in England. English students studying in Scotland will pay a fixed-rate fee of about £1,700 a year, with a separate rate of £2,700 for medical students. Payments may be deferred by taking out a loan, repayments will begin once graduates earn over £15,000. For Scottish students studying at Scottish universities, there are no tuition fees as such, but a sum of about £2200 is paid at the end of your degree. (Approximate figures.)

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh If you want to be truly happy then I think you should try finding out a bit more about Sikhi before you make your decision. This human life is a tiny proportion of our existence but it has huge value. Measuring 'happiness' in this small lifetime isn't rational. As soon as we die that temporary happiness disappears. It's more beneficial to work towards welling up true happiness and peace in your heart. Personal freedom is one thing but living a life of truth is another. In this world those who think they are free are actually trapped in the clutches of Maya/mammon/materialistic wealth and feelings. In our mind, ego tells us what to do, and we obey its orders, taking this to be our personal freedom. Surely freedom would be the state of mind where there is no ego to follow? When we cannot be swayed by the situations and people around us. This is what Sikhi is about. But nobody said that swallowing your ego/lust/anger/greed/attachment was easy. But if the truth is what you seek, then Sikhi is the simplest and most direct path to follow. Some posts in this thread also might help: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry342431 vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Mr Vampire, 'some people' do many things which you might not understand. I suggest you talk to them directly about it, learn from them and take some time out to read what Gurbani and Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Bani says about the issues like Sants and Amrit. It really does sound like you have grudges against certain individuals so I'm not sure what you want us to do in reply to your post. In any dharam there will be people who pick and choose bits to follow and who do other strange things. Btw true brainwashing occurs when your brain is washed, cooled and soothed by Akaal Purakh. So yes, Sikhi encourages brainwashing.

For the future, I suggest anyone applying to Edinburgh learns how to spell it before they send away their application.

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vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh To clarify what has been mentioned above, in order to be a Sikh you are required to believe in the teachings of the Sikh Gurus. Doing seva/service of the servants of God is encouraged but one must always keep in mind that God is the ultimate truth. He pervades in all. Those people who have merged their souls and minds with God are the 'persona' (for lack of another word) of God himself. From my limited understanding of Gurbani, the light of our Gurus was God. To pretend to understand the nature of God's ways is strange unless you have come to know/merge with God yourself. Personally I believe God is capable of anything at all, including coming amongst us in recognisable forms. My point is, worship GOD not the physical form. To worship the physical form of Guru Nanak Dev Ji is not what Sikhi is about. Worshipping a body/person is just like worshipping dust. Worship the truth. I hope this makes some sense. vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

^ I had a vitamin D deficiency and it took doctors about 2 years to figure it out. Go to your doctor and demand a blood test, especially if your joints are hurting/swelling/red. Tell him you're not leaving until he does it and stage a sit in protest in the reception. Keep clicking your joints (adults hate it) until you sound like a bionic spider and I'm sure someone will help you.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh Regarding the link you posted above. It's unfortunate that Christians/people from different religions are persecuted in any part of the world. This is against the teachings of Sikhism and anyone who calls themself a Sikh and proceeds to judge others on the basis of religion/faith must go back to the fundamental message of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, which btw is.. Sikhism isn't against mixing with people of other faiths. In fact I would prefer hanging out with a Christian who loves God rather than anyone who calls themself a Sikh and disrespects the teachings of God. I think the sacrifice of Christ touches every person's heart in one way or another. There are millions of Sikhs who have sacrificed themselves in order to let people like me tread this path of love which is Sikhi. These Sikhs smiled as they were cut to pieces, accepting the will of God. No pain was felt, only love for their faith and God. God's name was chanted and his praises were sung as the children of Sikh women were tossed into the air and speared, as blistering hot sand was poured on their heads and, in the last 20 years, as the wives of Sikh men were branded and tortured with boiling metal in order to dishonour and disrespect their bodies and their faith. There are many more examples of people who gave their bodies, souls and minds to God rather than submit to conversion. Run a google search on Guru Arjan Dev Ji, Bhai Mani Singh, Bhai Taru Singh Ji, Bhai Mati Das and Bhai Dayaala Ji. Then run a search on Sikh martyrs in general. This is one of the many reasons I would never consider 'converting' to any other faith. It's great to hear that the person in that link feels close to God at the moment. But we've always been taught that when we give our heads to Sikhi - when we make that vow to Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj, we don't demand it back again. vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

^ Either that or you could just hop over the border when the time comes. http://www.sikhfreedom.com/khalistan.html - This might help answer some of your questions.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh Jassa: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?automodule=help (We already received the previous post you made, as Bibi.G said.) We've been neutral for the last 7 years. Still people choose to ignore the rules and bring up the meat debate over and over again. We are humans as well, and we have our own opinions. We chose to share that opinion with everyone on the forum once and for all. The general atmosphere of the forum is many things, and we're trying to change that because the moderators/admin are always held responsible for it (even when we aren't the ones bringing the quality down). This decision does not mean that those who post articles/topics about meat (for/against) will be allowed to do so. The previous ban still stands. We just want to cut down on the arguments which take over the forum. vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh Just to reiterate what Jangal Da has kindly pointed out.. We are not claiming that Akaal Takht/anyone else is wrong, or that we know better than them. We are not telling anyone on the forum to submit to our personal views. We encourage you to do your own research, read Gurbani, talk to Guru Saheb and then come to an informed decision. People complain about the quality of the forum but whenever we try to do anything about it they still complain. Finally I think it's pretty unfair for anyone to accuse us of not caring what the Panth says. We completely agree with the SGPC Maryada, we do not condone the eating of Halal meat. On a similar note I personally believe doing three Banian in the morning is great, but if I choose do 5 then how am I going against the Panth's decision? I'm not. vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Teeheehee my email was read out! I'm famous. :cool:

Manvir Singh rocks.

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=1363

(Tarrandeep Kaur Bhenji, this thread was let through because the original poster was asking for advice on how to move on, and get more engrossed in bani. He didn't come here to be told that his problem/thread is stupid. We are doing something about these threads, but nobody would really know about it because they don't see the ones which we don't let through.)

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vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh I once attended a camp where we sang a Shabad and went through the meanings every day of the camp. By the end of it everyone knew it off by heart and it was remembered as the 'signature' Shabad for that camp. Maybe you could try something like that with the Shabad you quoted above. vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh